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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-14-09 01:02 PM Original message |
Catholics admit being the force behind Stupak. Have Hall of Shame for those who voted against it. |
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NRaleighLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-14-09 01:04 PM Response to Original message |
1. Do they have pics of all of the abusive priests? N/T |
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47of74 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-14-09 01:10 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. I doubt it |
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baldguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-14-09 01:08 PM Response to Original message |
2. How about for Catholics who support the death penalty? |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-14-09 01:34 PM Response to Original message |
4. I commend those this website condemns. Names. |
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47of74 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-14-09 02:14 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. I commend them as well. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-14-09 03:06 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. I think that may have been their thinking. |
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skepticscott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 10:25 PM Response to Reply #4 |
44. I have a hard time commending anyone |
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DonCoquixote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 08:48 PM Response to Reply #4 |
69. In other words |
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Solly Mack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-14-09 01:40 PM Response to Original message |
5. K&R |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-14-09 07:26 PM Response to Reply #5 |
13. From JFK in 1960 |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-14-09 01:56 PM Response to Original message |
6. The 64 Yes votes for Stupak were 62 men, only 2 women. My own Hall of Shame. |
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Tommy_Carcetti (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 12:47 PM Response to Reply #6 |
51. Let's see, from that list: |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 10:18 PM Response to Reply #51 |
70. "take your own little Madfloridian Hall of Shame list and shove it" |
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Ignis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 02:45 PM Response to Reply #70 |
90. Pretty classy. (nt) |
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NoSheep (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 10:55 PM Response to Reply #51 |
72. You lost me there. What are you getting at? I'm not sure I understand the |
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Tommy_Carcetti (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 09:41 AM Response to Reply #72 |
85. That's the percentage they've voted with the Democratic Party on bills. |
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NoSheep (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 10:04 AM Response to Reply #85 |
86. Okay. Now I understand exactly what you meant. Thanks for clarifying. |
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Ignis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 02:44 PM Response to Reply #85 |
89. "many here" -- wrong, DUers are overwhelmingly pro-choice |
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Tommy_Carcetti (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 02:50 PM Response to Reply #89 |
91. Many, most, overhwhelmingly, etc.... |
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Ignis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 02:59 PM Response to Reply #91 |
93. The point is that women's rights are a core part of the D platform. |
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Tommy_Carcetti (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 03:06 PM Response to Reply #93 |
94. That only really works if... |
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Ignis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 03:35 PM Response to Reply #94 |
96. YOU may frame it that way, if you like. |
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aero56 (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 05:46 PM Response to Reply #6 |
56. The "64" |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-14-09 03:23 PM Response to Original message |
9. I heard Trudy Lieberman say that Stupak works for the Catholic Bishops. |
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Maraya1969 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-14-09 03:32 PM Response to Original message |
10. You can report tax fraud and I think we should make a conserted effort to do so |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-14-09 04:06 PM Response to Original message |
11. Very upsetting tone in that article at catholics.org. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 07:04 PM Response to Reply #11 |
37. Very few Americans understand that the Vatican opposes democracy . . . "equality for all" . . . |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-14-09 05:43 PM Response to Original message |
12. Comment from insurance rep....this would mean nearly no coverage of abortion. |
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mdmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-14-09 07:27 PM Response to Original message |
14. thanks for the post |
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Rectangle (437 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-14-09 07:31 PM Response to Original message |
15. Why isn't the IRS looking into this?-Talk about Religion butting its nose into politics!! n/t |
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Blue State Blues (575 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-14-09 07:45 PM Response to Original message |
16. If they're so keen on "natural death" |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-14-09 07:54 PM Response to Original message |
17. Tax these fuckers! |
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Liberal In Texas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-14-09 09:32 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. Agreed. They've crossed the line. Tax the crap out of them. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 07:06 PM Response to Reply #17 |
38. Agree -- and they crossed the line long, long ago -- |
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WillyT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 06:36 PM Response to Reply #17 |
58. Agreed !!! |
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Initech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 07:57 PM Response to Reply #17 |
66. Absolutely tax the fuck out of them. They've gone too far. |
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liberal_at_heart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-14-09 08:00 PM Response to Original message |
18. What next? Excommunication for Catholics who don't fall in line? |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 11:25 AM Response to Reply #18 |
23. Could be unpleasant for them. |
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provis99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 04:58 PM Response to Reply #18 |
28. Patrick Kennedy has already been threatened with excommunication. |
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Prism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-14-09 08:01 PM Response to Original message |
19. It wasn't much a secret |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 12:18 AM Response to Original message |
21. The DNC platform promised to stand up for women's right to an abortion... |
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autorank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 12:48 AM Response to Original message |
22. More delusion from the masters |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 01:20 PM Response to Original message |
24. "The Bishops' Huge Financial Stake in Stupak-Pitts" |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 06:45 PM Response to Reply #24 |
34. Their house of cards is also falling re birth control and abortion . . . |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 01:24 PM Response to Original message |
25. A must read: "How the Stupak-Pitts Amendment May Change Our Politics" |
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ChadwickHenryWard (692 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 03:56 PM Response to Original message |
26. It's an open attempt to force the government to adhere to Catholic doctrine. |
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madrchsod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 04:44 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. you forgot the majority of the supremes are Catholic |
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chrisa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 05:24 PM Response to Reply #26 |
31. This is different. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 07:19 PM Response to Reply #31 |
40. Well... the inherent fear has always been of a RCC which is a DICTATORSHIP . . . . |
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olegramps (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 10:42 AM Response to Reply #40 |
46. You are right on! |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 06:51 PM Response to Reply #26 |
36. Well...think upon the fact that W came thru with $$$$ for the Church via "faith-based" |
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ColesCountyDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 05:05 PM Response to Original message |
29. I think the amendment is ridiculous, but I also think the Catholic Church has a right to... |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 05:14 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. They have free speech. As a woman I have a right to speak... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 07:10 PM Response to Reply #29 |
39. Then you don't understand Separation of Church & State . . . |
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skepticscott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 10:23 PM Response to Reply #39 |
43. It seems to be you that doesn't understand |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 11:50 AM Response to Reply #43 |
50. You need to read the whole article I posted. Way more than about "issues" |
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skepticscott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 07:11 PM Response to Reply #50 |
59. How they speak out is their business |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 07:17 PM Response to Reply #59 |
61. If they want to be exempt from taxes they don't get that much power |
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skepticscott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 10:50 PM Response to Reply #61 |
71. So you say and think |
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immoderate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 07:38 PM Response to Reply #59 |
64. They can't act as a lobbying organization and expect a tax exemption. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 01:08 PM Response to Reply #43 |
52. No Church is permitted to be POLITICALLY ACTIVE and tax-exempt . . . |
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skepticscott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 07:14 PM Response to Reply #52 |
60. Sorry, but you're wrong |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 07:19 PM Response to Reply #60 |
62. They can push issues. |
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skepticscott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 10:55 PM Response to Reply #62 |
73. "They are heading into the realm of controlling the congress"? |
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FLDCVADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 07:40 PM Response to Reply #60 |
65. Thank you |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 08:32 PM Response to Reply #65 |
68. They are pushing their agenda almost forcibly..... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 11:11 PM Response to Reply #68 |
75. I have an internet friend in the South who says that the Catholic Church there |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 11:09 PM Response to Reply #60 |
74. A church isn't a typical "tax exempt organization" . . . |
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skepticscott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 06:25 AM Response to Reply #74 |
84. And what do you base that on |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 02:31 PM Response to Reply #84 |
88. Were our Founders "emotional" . . . ??? The Founders understood the dangers of |
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skepticscott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 05:59 AM Response to Reply #88 |
97. Gee, hyperventilate much? |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 11:26 AM Response to Reply #97 |
98. Let's try this . . . are you saying we're defenseless against theocracy? Or that you want one? |
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KakistocracyHater (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 05:51 PM Response to Original message |
32. the hypocrisy, "killing isn't healthcare(unless it's only a woman)" |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 07:21 PM Response to Reply #32 |
41. "killing isn't health care" . . . but "Pro-Lifers" have a pass to kill doctors -- !!!! |
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KakistocracyHater (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 06:34 PM Response to Reply #41 |
57. in CHURCH!! even |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 11:12 PM Response to Reply #57 |
76. Anyone who ever had an illegal abortion understood immediately that their lives |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 06:41 PM Response to Original message |
33. Male-supremacist Vatican has plenty of $$$$ for game-playing + Americans are subsdizing them!! |
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seafan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 06:46 PM Response to Original message |
35. The other contribution to this hijacked health care bill is the rise of the evangelicals. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 07:24 PM Response to Reply #35 |
42. The right wing religious movement in America is also financed by RIGHT WING . . . |
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DesertFlower (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 11:59 PM Response to Original message |
45. i'm not surprised. nt |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 10:56 AM Response to Original message |
47. Time to take away the non-profit status of churches. |
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Angry Dragon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 11:03 AM Response to Original message |
48. The Catholic Church is a government |
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mudplanet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 11:41 AM Response to Original message |
49. The day the Catholic Church institutes a program |
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brendan120678 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 03:23 PM Response to Reply #49 |
95. There's quite a few organizations like that around... |
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joeglow3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 01:14 PM Response to Original message |
53. Sadly, their tax exempt status cannot be attacked |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 07:24 PM Response to Reply #53 |
63. Read the article in the OP. They are advocating getting rid of the ones who voted no. |
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joeglow3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 12:29 AM Response to Reply #63 |
82. Good point, but... |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 02:57 PM Response to Reply #82 |
92. Relax, nothing will be done. They have the power over women. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 11:14 PM Response to Reply #53 |
77. If the public became aware of the $$$$$$$$ these churches are thowing into these |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 04:01 PM Response to Original message |
54. Faith communities coalesce against Stupak. |
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aero56 (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 05:41 PM Response to Original message |
55. Church and State |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 11:16 PM Response to Reply #55 |
79. Also because it's a male-supremacist outfit -- !!! People rarely seem to notice that, somehow...!!! |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 08:07 PM Response to Original message |
67. Remember this, when you say |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 11:22 PM Response to Reply #67 |
80. The Vatican was opposed to democracy and "equality for all" from the first ... |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 05:57 AM Response to Reply #80 |
83. I don't think the hierarchy has given up on here. They are aggressive |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 02:28 PM Response to Reply #83 |
87. They won't totally give up -- they will keep hammering at it -- |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 11:14 PM Response to Original message |
78. Bad Catholic! |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 11:46 PM Response to Original message |
81. k i c k |
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