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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 05:40 PM Original message |
On obesity and shades of gray.... versus black and white "religious" thinking |
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geckosfeet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 05:49 PM Response to Original message |
1. Type 2 diabetics have similar issues. Their bodies are not efficient at using insulin |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 05:52 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Oh trust me I know that |
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Christa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 05:50 PM Response to Original message |
2. Thanks for sharing |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 05:59 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Oh you welcome and I do not expect it to change any minds |
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unc70 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 06:10 PM Response to Original message |
5. Have you been tested for adenovirus-36 antibodies? |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 06:17 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. We know it was med related |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 06:15 PM Response to Original message |
6. You are brave to tackle this subject yet again. I wonder if any minds will ever... |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 06:18 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. Oh com'on we are just calorimeters :-) |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 06:55 PM Response to Reply #8 |
15. I am actually at the point where I have begun to wish "them" ill. They refuse to learn... |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 06:58 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. I found myself doing that yesterday |
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Scout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 07:43 PM Response to Reply #18 |
31. fat is so demonized, i had a smoker tell me they wouldn't even try to |
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Jazzgirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 08:41 PM Response to Reply #31 |
48. Now that is some sick shit Scout. |
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Shell Beau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 08:55 PM Response to Reply #31 |
50. That is so sad, but it is so true. I bet a lot of people |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 09:01 PM Response to Reply #31 |
52. It is sad, but that is the current reality in the US |
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TicketyBoo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 09:30 PM Response to Reply #31 |
56. I had my mother-in-law |
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anneboleyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 02:23 AM Response to Reply #56 |
79. My sister-in-law has been obese her whole life. The comments people make to her face - unbelievable |
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TicketyBoo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-19-09 10:13 AM Response to Reply #79 |
136. Fortunately, |
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anneboleyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 01:55 AM Response to Reply #31 |
77. I know a number of young women who smoke so they won't gain |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 07:04 PM Response to Reply #8 |
20. i posted something in that thread about counting calories and making small changes |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 07:18 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. So you know lifestyle changes do have better results |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 07:44 PM Response to Reply #23 |
33. To the extent that behavior alone can get the job done, long term v. short term is better |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 07:48 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. Correct, and even then |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 07:53 PM Response to Reply #35 |
38. Well our *set* points are likely higher than our ideal weight |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 08:04 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. Absolutely, and when they get the first clinical trials |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 11:19 PM Response to Reply #20 |
125. But the question is... do you really think this is new to most people? |
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Scout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-19-09 10:37 AM Response to Reply #125 |
138. you are right |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 06:28 PM Response to Original message |
9. K&R... you reminded me of this thread: |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 06:33 PM Response to Original message |
10. Nadin, a friend of mine was on some antidepressant and put on 40 pounds |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 06:40 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. I know it is |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 06:57 PM Response to Reply #11 |
17. Well, I'm glad the thing got solved. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 06:59 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. Oh yeah tuky was eternally thin |
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pitohui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 07:56 PM Response to Reply #10 |
39. nikki a friend of mine gained 100 pounds on prozac |
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sybylla (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 03:23 PM Response to Reply #10 |
93. Had a friend who went through the same thing |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-19-09 02:41 AM Response to Reply #10 |
134. I was treated for anxiety disorder and gained 50 pounds over 1.5 years without changing diet or ex. |
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handmade34 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 06:45 PM Response to Original message |
12. important that you share this |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 06:52 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. Interesting and this brings us into the priorities of the |
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lukasahero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 06:51 PM Response to Original message |
13. There are shades of gray |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 06:57 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. Get of your damn high horse |
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lukasahero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 07:07 PM Response to Reply #16 |
21. OMG now THAT'S funny |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 07:20 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. Well those who keep insisting on the black and white |
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lukasahero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 07:37 PM Response to Reply #24 |
28. "So there" |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 07:41 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. Yep, whatever dude |
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Ms. Toad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 08:07 PM Response to Reply #24 |
42. There is a difference between saying calories in = calories out |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 08:58 PM Response to Reply #42 |
51. The problem is that it is NOT scientifically accurate either |
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Ms. Toad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 09:28 PM Response to Reply #51 |
55. Calories are equal. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 09:36 PM Response to Reply #55 |
59. Once again, since they do not work the way they work in a calorimeter |
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Ms. Toad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 10:22 PM Response to Reply #59 |
62. The recommendation of 2000 kCal /day is meaningless |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 10:30 PM Response to Reply #62 |
64. you keep making our point and don't even realize it |
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Ms. Toad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 10:47 PM Response to Reply #64 |
68. I am not making your point. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 10:57 PM Response to Reply #68 |
69. Yes you are, by the way I quoted some RESEARCH |
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Ms. Toad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 11:02 PM Response to Reply #69 |
71. There is a difference between whether something is a useful |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 11:27 PM Response to Reply #71 |
72. The construct of calories for the human body |
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Ms. Toad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 08:24 AM Response to Reply #72 |
82. A calorie is a unit of energy. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 01:08 PM Response to Reply #82 |
84. I know that and it is not used by researchers any more |
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Ms. Toad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 03:20 PM Response to Reply #84 |
91. I have made no assertion about what researchers use |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 06:12 PM Response to Reply #59 |
108. There has to be some maximum efficiency. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 10:02 PM Response to Reply #108 |
118. Once again, my question (and that of leading scientists) |
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Scout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 12:09 AM Response to Reply #55 |
74. Calories are equal? |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 12:25 AM Response to Reply #74 |
75. Oh silly you, facts and all that |
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Ms. Toad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 11:08 AM Response to Reply #74 |
83. Same weight, yes. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 01:11 PM Response to Reply #83 |
86. Basic principles that are more complex than just that |
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Ms. Toad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 03:02 PM Response to Reply #86 |
88. I am part of the science community, |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 03:05 PM Response to Reply #88 |
89. You got the last word and I surrender to your wisdom |
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Ms. Toad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 03:21 PM Response to Reply #89 |
92. Not wrong - they are just not addressing the issue that |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 03:23 PM Response to Reply #92 |
94. No you haven't, you are still using old thinking on |
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Ms. Toad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 06:00 PM Response to Reply #94 |
107. Then please provide me a link to any of your current research |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 07:25 PM Response to Reply #94 |
112. No one is saying that the physical effect on the body of all calories is equal |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 09:32 PM Response to Reply #112 |
114. And nobody is saying the cost is down to zero |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 09:51 PM Response to Reply #114 |
115. What does any of what you're saying there have to do with what I said? |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 09:57 PM Response to Reply #115 |
117. Ok in few words |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 10:29 PM Response to Reply #117 |
119. I wasn't trying to answer any such question... |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 10:46 PM Response to Reply #119 |
120. And scientists are no longer treating bodies just as calorimeters |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 11:03 PM Response to Reply #120 |
123. Have you ever thought that it's the way your present your information? |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 11:09 PM Response to Reply #123 |
124. No it is not that |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 11:31 PM Response to Reply #124 |
127. I could ask you if water is wet... |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 11:28 PM Response to Reply #114 |
126. "Diet is not the only explanation" |
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sense (948 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 09:32 PM Response to Reply #42 |
58. You are part of the problem |
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Ms. Toad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 10:33 PM Response to Reply #58 |
65. No, it is basic physics. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 10:42 PM Response to Reply #65 |
66. Do me a favor since I seem to be very dense |
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Ms. Toad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 11:00 PM Response to Reply #66 |
70. Not going to do all of your work for you, but here's a start |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 11:36 PM Response to Reply #70 |
73. Not fully exact |
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Ms. Toad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 08:13 AM Response to Reply #73 |
81. The poster asked where the physics was that still applies |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 01:09 PM Response to Reply #81 |
85. That's how you understand this |
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sense (948 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 03:11 PM Response to Reply #65 |
90. You're not putting calories into an empty box and taking them out... |
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Ms. Toad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 06:46 PM Response to Reply #90 |
110. How your body uses calories, how many it needs, |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 09:55 PM Response to Reply #110 |
116. So to be correct what I asserted is that our understanding of this |
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Ms. Toad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 10:51 PM Response to Reply #116 |
121. Find me one single documented case |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 10:53 PM Response to Reply #121 |
122. While you are fixed on calories in calories out |
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Ms. Toad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-19-09 12:04 AM Response to Reply #122 |
129. I didn't brint it up - you did. |
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sense (948 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-19-09 02:24 AM Response to Reply #121 |
133. Here's a real life example |
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Ms. Toad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-19-09 08:03 AM Response to Reply #133 |
135. I am not asking for an anecdotal story |
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sense (948 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-19-09 02:05 PM Response to Reply #135 |
140. Only the top paragraph is anecdotal, obviously. |
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JNelson6563 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-19-09 10:28 AM Response to Reply #16 |
137. Frankly I'm a Nadine fan and even I |
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Johonny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 07:17 PM Response to Reply #13 |
22. I think it's more a personal vs societal thing |
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Missy Vixen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 07:22 PM Response to Reply #13 |
25. Oh, goody |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 07:25 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. You are surprised? I am not |
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lukasahero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 07:35 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. The burden of proof is on those who make the claim |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 07:40 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. Well you said you have read those threads |
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lukasahero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 07:45 PM Response to Reply #29 |
34. No I don't think they can hire specialists without insurance |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 07:50 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. No you are not on my side |
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Missy Vixen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 07:43 PM Response to Reply #27 |
32. Bullshit |
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pitohui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 07:52 PM Response to Original message |
37. good post, i think a lot of people lack basic powers of observation |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 08:10 PM Response to Reply #37 |
43. Two things about the coke and the burger |
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K8-EEE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 07:57 PM Response to Original message |
40. To me it is really interesting that crowd scenes 40 & 50 years ago |
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pitohui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 08:12 PM Response to Reply #40 |
44. i'm going to tell you a secret |
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K8-EEE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 08:35 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. I'm not so sure about that |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 08:17 PM Response to Reply #40 |
45. It is partly lifestyle |
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K8-EEE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 08:39 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. Speaking generally though Americans are fatter |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 08:47 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. As I said part of it is lifestyle |
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anneboleyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 02:02 AM Response to Reply #40 |
78. I studied images from the 19th century in grad school and you are wrong. |
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Lilith Velkor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 02:31 PM Response to Reply #78 |
87. The 19th century was not 40 or 50 years ago, it was 100 years ago. |
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K8-EEE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 06:55 PM Response to Reply #78 |
111. Well I'm not talking about portraits of well to do ladies, I mean crowd scenes |
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nickinSTL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 09:23 PM Response to Original message |
53. good post |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 09:41 PM Response to Reply #53 |
60. Well once they find what is wrong |
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nickinSTL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 10:18 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. I know what's wrong - to some degree |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 10:25 PM Response to Reply #61 |
63. Oh no problem and I got what you meant |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 09:25 PM Response to Original message |
54. really awesome, courageous post. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 09:32 PM Response to Reply #54 |
57. And among you and me I am shocked it has not turned nasty |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 07:50 AM Response to Reply #57 |
80. on the cancer -- we grew up in a neighborhood that is a known cluster |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 04:53 PM Response to Reply #54 |
105. That's my experience, too |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 10:46 PM Response to Original message |
67. MissyVixen, Nadin and I are the Dead Thyroid Committee. We will educate you. |
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Missy Vixen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 12:54 AM Response to Reply #67 |
76. Manifestor of Light, I'm happy to be in the club |
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snooper2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 03:28 PM Response to Original message |
95. And the discovery of that fat gene...... |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 03:31 PM Response to Reply #95 |
96. The fat gene has been around for evah |
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snooper2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 03:41 PM Response to Reply #96 |
97. And it chose the United States to express itself more often |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 04:08 PM Response to Reply #97 |
98. Have you read the World Health Organization statement on |
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snooper2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 04:27 PM Response to Reply #98 |
99. hmmm... |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 04:28 PM Response to Reply #99 |
100. Again, the population of the US is 1 Billion |
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snooper2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 04:38 PM Response to Reply #100 |
101. are you serious... |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 04:47 PM Response to Reply #101 |
103. The gene is not the only explanation |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 05:04 PM Response to Reply #103 |
106. Excellent point... you have a book in you! |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 04:44 PM Response to Original message |
102. Thank you for chiseling away at the self-righteous. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 04:53 PM Response to Reply #102 |
104. Oh you welcome, and yes all societies do have |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 06:36 PM Response to Reply #104 |
109. I think the hatred directed at the overweight is akin to the hatred directed |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 09:27 PM Response to Reply #109 |
113. And give that obesity rates are also related to income and |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 11:48 PM Response to Original message |
128. Well the bullies win |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-19-09 12:06 AM Response to Reply #128 |
130. And I can't call people what they are.....racists and rednecks. |
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Lars39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-19-09 12:06 AM Response to Reply #128 |
131. Please come back when you can...I've always enjoyed your posts. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-19-09 12:56 AM Response to Original message |
132. Here are some of the articles for the scientists in the group |
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DanTex (734 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-19-09 11:24 AM Response to Original message |
139. Can't we all just get along? |
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