Got this from a RWer today

Need refutations and a counter-list, can anyone help? I don't have time to do the research today -- thanks.

f George W. Bush had been the first President to need a teleprompter installed to be able to get through a press conference, would you have laughed and said this is more proof of how he inept he is on his own and is really controlled by smarter men behind the scenes?

If George W. Bush had spent hundreds of thousands of dollars to take Laura Bush to a play in NYC, would you have approved?

If George W. Bush had reduced your retirement plan's holdings of GM stock by 90% and given the unions a majority stake in GM, would you have approved?

If George W. Bush had made a joke at the expense of the Special Olympics, would you have approved?

If George W. Bush had given Gordon Brown a set of inexpensive and incorrectly formatted DVDs, when Gordon Brown had given him a thoughtful and historically significant gift, would you have approved?

If George W. Bush had given the Queen of England an iPod containing videos of his speeches, would you have thought this embarrassingly narcissistic and tacky?

If George W. Bush had bowed to the King of Saudi Arabia, would you have approved?

If George W. Bush had visited Austria and made reference to the non-existent "Austrian language," would you have brushed it off as a minor slip?

If George W. Bush had filled his cabinet and circle of advisers with people who cannot seem to keep current in their income taxes, would you have approved?

If George W. Bush had been so Spanish illiterate as to refer to "Cinco de Cuatro" in front of the Mexican ambassador when it was the 5th of May (Cinco de Mayo), and continued to flub it when he tried again, would you have winced in embarrassment?

If George W. Bush had mis-spelled the word "advice" would you have hammered him for it for years like Dan Quayle and potato as proof of what a dunce he is?

If George W. Bush had burned 9,000 gallons of jet fuel to go plant a single tree on Earth Day, would you have concluded he's a hypocrite?

If George W. Bush's administration had okayed Air Force One flying low over millions of people followed by a jet fighter in downtown Manhattan causing widespread panic, would you have wondered whether they actually get what happened on 9-11?

If George W. Bush had failed to send relief aid to flood victims throughout the Midwest with more people killed or made homeless than in New Orleans, would you want it made into a major ongoing political issue with claims of racism and incompetence?

If George W. Bush had created the position of 32 Czars who report directly to him, bypassing the House and Senate on much of what is happening in America, would you have approved?

If George W. Bush had ordered the firing of the CEO of a major corporation, even though he had no constitutional authority to do so, would you have approved?

If George W Bush had proposed to double the national debt, which had taken more than two centuries to accumulate, in one year, would you have approved?

If George W. Bush had then proposed to double the debt again within 10 years, would you have approved?

So, tell me again, what is it about Obama that makes him so brilliant and impressive? Can't think of anything? Don't worry. He's done all this in 5 months -- so you'll have three years and seven months to come up with an answer.

Why waste our time?

So many people here have all this info at their fingertips and I don't.

Sorry to waste your time.

...because it's not a political argument. It's a parroting of talking points and spin.

I save political discourse for people who, unlike you and I, are actually interested in politics.

"I'm just glad that 10 months into President Obama's first term we are talking about this collection of gaffes, trivia and cheap shots instead of what we were discussing 10 months into Bush's first term."

Permission to use?

:pals:

last two items. George did double the debt in 8 years and Reagan did too.

I would ask the sender for the sources of each and every one of these. What Midwest food killed more people than Katrina in NOLA? And be sure to send the picture of Georgie kissing the king of Saudi Arabia. And George Bush did cause the loss of vast millions in retirement funds.

yes, yes he did

http://www.democrats.org/a/2009/09/the_bush_czars.php

harmed us on 9/11, Hussein in cahoots with bin Laden, Hussein sitting on WMD with a twitchy trigger finger, etc - take your pick) sacrificing thousands of our men and women and incurring trillions of dollars worth of debt to China, would you have approved?


President George W. Bush:
… Now, look, I didn’t—part of the reason we went into Iraq was—the main reason we went into Iraq at the time was we thought he had weapons of mass destruction. It turns out he didn’t, but he had the capacity to make weapons of mass destruction.

… imagine a world in which Saddam Hussein was there, stirring up even more trouble in a part of the world that had so much resentment and so much hatred that people came and killed 3,000 of our citizens.…

Reporter:
What did Iraq have to do with that?

President George W. Bush:
What did Iraq have to do with what?

Reporter:
The attack on the World Trade Center?

President George W. Bush:
Nothing, except for it’s part of—and nobody has ever suggested in this administration that Saddam Hussein ordered the attack. Iraq was a—Iraq—the lesson of September the 11th is, take threats before they fully materialize, Ken. Nobody has ever suggested that the attacks of September the 11th were ordered by Iraq.

-If memory serves me, some of the stuff they appear to be accusing Obama of is actually stuff that Bushco did along with the comparison fuck up.
-For instance, Bushco kept flood relief from the Midwest and NOLA. In both cases the states that got the short end were the ones with Democratic governors.
-The Czars - Bushco had more. And of course the term czar is often used in place of some long title. And most of them were confirmed.
-Wasn't 'the Austrian language' a Bush utterance?
-Wasn't Bush holding hands with a Saudi prince that he later kissed on the cheek?
-Queen Elizabeth requested an ipod. I don't remember anything about it being loaded with Obama speeches. So much of this email is lies or twists and I believe this is one.
-W never proposed doubling the debt, he just did it. Actually his budgets were always fantasies with lots nad lots of "off-budget" expenditures. I used to harrass my congress critter about that every town hall.

Without going any further, I would say only an idiot would take this at face value. Proof once more that neo-cons say anything . Once it is out there it is hard to stop lies from spreading.

The Obama budgets are larger, because Obama won't put them "off budget" anymore?

At some point those tax cuts must be rolled back and the wars must end AND the goddamned Pentagon's budget MUST be cut.

I did a Google search on the first line and it got 397 Million hits.

Link: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=if+george+w.+bush+had+been+the+first+president+to+need+a+teleprompter+installed&aq=0&oq=If+George+W.+Bush+had+been+the+first+President+to+need+a+teleprompter


Looks like Faux Snooze has been busy, or Limbaugh ... probably both.

was extremely offensive.

...or even vaguely qualified president, would you listen?"

:D

the way the Chimp ignored warnings about 9/11, would you have approved?

Suggestion: Google warnings about 9/11.

I have to say, though, that if Bush had done some of these things, yes, I'd be hammering him about them -- also.

right off the bat. George W. Bush tripled and tripled and tripled the nation debt. That's one I counter acted and I didn't even read all the rest. It was at the bottom and easy to see.

If George W. Bush had been the first President to need a teleprompter installed to be able to get through a press conference, would you have laughed and said this is more proof of how he inept he is on his own and is really controlled by smarter men behind the scenes?

George W. Bush had a teleprompter, a phonetic one, even: http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/wacky/jorj-booshs-fo-ne-tik-promt/story-e6frev20-1111114505516 However, given the lack of details, his gaffes and his inability to string two sentences together, he obviously never used it.

If George W. Bush had spent hundreds of thousands of dollars to take Laura Bush to a play in NYC, would you have approved?

Probably not, but, then again, I didn't approve of all the time he spent at his "ranch" in Texas while ignoring important memos about future terrorism, either.

If George W. Bush had reduced your retirement plan's holdings of GM stock by 90% and given the unions a majority stake in GM, would you have approved?

Yes. Unions help people. They brought you vacation time, sick leave, 40-hour work weeks and banned child labor. Retirement plans were a brainchild of the very rich to get more average people to dabble in the stock market so that these rich, Wall-Street-savvy folks could bilk the less-than-informed middle class people.

If George W. Bush had made a joke at the expense of the Special Olympics, would you have approved?

No, but, then again, I didn't approve of Bush's joke about looking for WMDs under his desk while thousands of our military men and women have died in a war that never should have begun.

If George W. Bush had given Gordon Brown a set of inexpensive and incorrectly formatted DVDs, when Gordon Brown had given him a thoughtful and historically significant gift, would you have approved?

Yes. It would have proven to me that Bush even knew what technology was - even if the attempt was incorrect.

If George W. Bush had given the Queen of England an iPod containing videos of his speeches, would you have thought this embarrassingly narcissistic and tacky?

Bush gave speeches? I thought those were Rosetta Stone's "Learn to Speak English" exercises.

If George W. Bush had bowed to the King of Saudi Arabia, would you have approved?

I'd rather him bow than kiss him!

If George W. Bush had visited Austria and made reference to the non-existent "Austrian language," would you have brushed it off as a minor slip?

Trust me. If that were his only foreign relations misstep, I would have been happy.

If George W. Bush had filled his cabinet and circle of advisers with people who cannot seem to keep current in their income taxes, would you have approved?

I guess people who cannot keep current on their income taxes are a far cry better than vice presidents who push to start wars and kill our military men and women and innocent Arab civilians so they can better their Halliburton stock.

If George W. Bush had been so Spanish illiterate as to refer to "Cinco de Cuatro" in front of the Mexican ambassador when it was the 5th of May (Cinco de Mayo), and continued to flub it when he tried again, would you have winced in embarrassment?

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice...uh....uh... You can't get fooled again.

If George W. Bush had mis-spelled the word "advice" would you have hammered him for it for years like Dan Quayle and potato as proof of what a dunce he is?

No, but at least Dub can spell bathroom while sitting in the middle of international meetings.

If George W. Bush had burned 9,000 gallons of jet fuel to go plant a single tree on Earth Day, would you have concluded he's a hypocrite?

No. I would have been more concerned about the fuel he was using flying around on 9/11, to secret Thanksgiving dinners with Styrofoam turkeys in Iraq and circling New Orleans after Katrina so he wouldn't have to get his shoes wet.

If George W. Bush's administration had okayed Air Force One flying low over millions of people followed by a jet fighter in downtown Manhattan causing widespread panic, would you have wondered whether they actually get what happened on 9-11?

If he'd actually OKed it, I probably would have been upset. But, given the fact that Obama (nor his vice president) do NOT micromanage adults who should know better, then I'm OK with it. Especially considering Obama launched an investigation into the matter.

If George W. Bush had failed to send relief aid to flood victims throughout the Midwest with more people killed or made homeless than in New Orleans, would you want it made into a major ongoing political issue with claims of racism and incompetence?

Dude... FEMA was in the midwest. The people are happy with FEMA's efforts. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25334982/ns/us_news-midwest_flooding/ Try reading.

If George W. Bush had created the position of 32 Czars who report directly to him, bypassing the House and Senate on much of what is happening in America, would you have approved?

He did. And he had more. Stop getting information from Glen Beck. You know he's insane, don't you?

If George W. Bush had ordered the firing of the CEO of a major corporation, even though he had no constitutional authority to do so, would you have approved?

Yep. We need more of that. Corporations are ruining this country. I'd rather they all be fired and skilled managers, as opposed to skilled thieves, take their places.

If George W Bush had proposed to double the national debt, which had taken more than two centuries to accumulate, in one year, would you have approved?

Try reading again. Bush (and Reagan, for that matter) managed to both increase the national debt by $5 trillion while simultaneously failing to help average citizens. Obama may be adding to the national debt, but he's somewhat attempting to help the working class (jobs are a lagging indicator).

If George W. Bush had then proposed to double the debt again within 10 years, would you have approved?

If it meant getting a single-payer health care insurance system, oh, hell yes! The average family of four pays $5,000 to $8,000 annually in premiums, deductibles, co-pays and in services and medication not covered by most insurance companies. If my taxes went up at much as $1,000 a year to fund single-payer, I'd still be putting $4,000 to $7,000 in my pocketbook, which I could then take to a store or a car lot to add back into the economy to bring jobs back and wages up.

So, tell me again, what is it about Obama that makes him so brilliant and impressive? Can't think of anything? Don't worry. He's done all this in 5 months -- so you'll have three years and seven months to come up with an answer.

What's impressive? He's not George Bush.