Andrew Sullivan is on to something (re: Palin)

His blog was inactive all morning (which is unusual) until this post:

I'm doing the snoopy happy dance as I type. Any time scandal and Palin are used in the same sentence, an angel gets its wings :)

Hoping this will be big and juicy.

In that Trig is not actually her baby.

...surrounding her supposed pregnancy, delivery and post-pregnancy behavior WRT Trig.

There are many bizarre circumstances surrounding the situation, but what did it for me is seeing
Bristol hold Trig. That's the look a mother gives her baby. I'm a mother. I know how I looked at
children and babies that I held before I became a mother. I know the look in a mother's eyes when
she's looking into her own baby's eyes. That was the look I saw on Bristol's face. Conversely, the
way Palin held Trig. Not motherly at all.

Sure, I only have my viewpoint after seeing a few fleeting glances, but it's all I need.

Levi openly said that soon he will have his son, when the truth is revealed. Palin tried to discredit
him and is on a rampage to discredit him. Why expend so much energy to lock horns with and destroy a
19-year old young man? He's got the goods on her and she knows it.

Maybe Levi contacted Sullivan.

She lied to the entire country about this, in my opinion. And if so, the story needs to be busted wide open.

Palin is stupid enough to engage in reckless behavior like this, and she's just narcissistic enough to believe
that she can get away with it. She needs to be exposed for the idiot fool that she is.

0-9 months showing in 2 weeks? Please.

Color me a conspiracy theorist, but I don't buy it for a minute.

Go Andrew, go!

That would be the easiest thing to snag her on this, is lining up the dates in her book to either match with conception or more dates about the details of the birth.

Maybe Todd was away fishing for 3 months when the supposed conception occurred?

Maybe she mentions drinking at a Governors cocktail party 6 months before he was born?

Basically, sounds like Sullivan found some dates dealing with the preg that don't match up and it made a light bulb go off in his head.

and Sarah's grandson.

Would ahve been late August 2008. Todd had just accepted a position back with the oil company to work on the North Slope again but I don't know what date he left.

There are strange things done by the midnight sun

Please Please let it be true. I wonder what her worshipers will say when the truth is revealed. OK I better be safe and say if the baby is her grandson and not her son. Really it will be a sad day. There was no need for a lie. Teenagers have babies all the time all around the world.

They will say that it proves how wonderful this paragon of virtue is, protecting her daughter by agreeing to take on the challenges of a Down's Syndrome baby herself.

Then they will all go into full on attack mode against the people who are hurting her precious family.

I dunno, I just don't think something like this will faze them. And I'll have to admit, it doesn't make her look any worse in my eyes than she already looks.

But Todd is not the father. Maybe the father is someone we've heard of, who keeps saying he has something on her.

Just a theory.

. . . coming from some Alaskan bloggers.

Who knows with that bunch.

Believable, if nothing else.

All her dates were about a month off. Wouldn't it be a hoot if Levi was the father either way?

...That's something straight from Penthouse Forum (or my adolescence;)). I'd be more inclined to think that if any scandal exists due to her 5th child, it's likely that the child is actually her grandson. Think about it, as vain and self-absorbed as she is, she probably couldn't BEAR to admit that she's a GRANDMOTHER!:think:

by Todd's business partner. But no matter who are what I just want this woman exposed for the evil, vindictive witch she is. And we all can be rid of her forever. OK, it's not likely we'll ever be rid of her but she'll have no chance at becoming President.


:banghead:

nt

is her bay daddy.







.

thank you.

Nice photoshop job too.

""There are some things that I have that are huge. And I haven't said them because I'm not gonna hurt her that way.

" ... I have things that can, you know -- that would get her in trouble, and could hurt her. Will hurt her. But I'm not gonna go that far. You know, I mean, if I really wanted to hurt her, I could, very easily. But there's -- I'm not gonna do it. I'm not going that far."

Levi Johnson

There's no other explanation at this point for all the lies and misinformation about it. I dunno what it is, but there is something going on about it.

if you are earnestly confirming our suspicions about her supposed pregnancy, please take all the time you need.

I will be counting the hours...............

counting down baby...counting down...Sarah's lies are about to catch up with her!!

Whatever he's alluding to, this must be big enough and probable enough that he's willing to put his ass on the line for it.:thumbsup:

seriously, you've got the best sig line pics on the DU :hi:

Sid

Be VERY careful when you search Google Images for "Carol Brown" with SafeSearch OFF. :yoiks: :hi:

Gah! :wow:

Why do I never listen?

I'll commend his caution now, unless it turns out he's merely sensationalizing.

his blog is pretty active. Very interesting!!!

might be due to some personal business. Then I started to wonder b/c he has some assistants and they would have just taken over for the morning or the whole day. When I saw that post, I was surprised.

This could be big.

Might Todd have impregnated Bristol? Is that why Trig has Down's Syndrome?

My thoughts all along. . .now was it Bristol (age 16-17) or Willow (age 13-14) for the time in question (2007-2008).

Incest with either Todd (father) or some other male adult relative.

Sorry for those children if we are proven correct. . .very sorry.:smoke: :smoke: :smoke: :smoke: :smoke:

If you recall, Willow was always the one holding Trig when SP arrived on the scene.

It's completely unrelated. I have a brother with Downs, and his mother was only 30 when he was born, in excellent health, and no other risk factors. (Though it is actually possible that it can come from the father, and my Dad used to like to drink Agent Orange to show folks how safe it was.)

It's a chromosomal abnormality on the 21st chromosome. This, and other weird things, happen naturally.

Though Palin certainly is hiding something, I don't think this is it. Whoever actually carried Trig, and whoever actually is the father, has nothing to do with Downs, though, if anything, Downs points to Sarah actually being the mother, b/c older women are at higher risk for this.

for young girls.

Now I'd read his book.

Remember truth will out.

He's always given me the "creepies" and other female friends of mine have said the same. He just reminds me of one the "un-subs" they're always chasing on Criminal Minds...

Including Levi! But Todd has to be the creepiest. I laughed out loud when I first saw him standing there in a suit! It looked like the first time he had ever worn one. He just has that bad-boy, criminal look to him. I wouldn't put anything past him.

This one holds promise, after all.... :evilgrin:

as far as I can tell. Must suck to be that person. Nothing to do and all the time in the world to do it.

broke. And she boarded the flight how long after her speech?

It's just so insane, and if she really did do it, why wasn't her sanity questioned by all of the media outlets?

Still, it's hard for me to tell by the wording of this article if her pregnancy is what Mr. Sullivan is alluding to.

so I'm not sure if he's just raising that as the example that regular readers would recognize, or if he's alluding to the issue he and his assistants are looking into.

Very interesting, nonetheless.

:hi:

she probably did it as a kind gesture..and the "kids" got back at her by having another one..PDQ..

Levi probably was glad to not be on the hook for a handicapped baby, so he may never own up to it..

That little baby was probably born premature , and cared for by her gal-pal doc and then her phony pregnancy cooked up at 7 months, because she had no way of knowing when that baby would be born, so she covered her bases..announcing it after a viable time frame...and she only had to answer questions for a short period of time..

Sarah watched Desperate Housewives, no doubt, and thought she c`ould pull it off..and she would have if she had not decided to ruin John Mccains last hurrah..

No one would have cared one bit, we she had not shoved herself in our faces..and then given us bullshit soap-opear drivel, as her life story..

until 11 at night, alaska time. drives another hour to wa...something.

no woman would do that. no doctor would allow that. no airline would let it happen

three risk factors. early. mom over 40. down syndrome

it is an outrageously ridiculous story. and no one can convince me to buy it

water broke on first baby, leaked on second baby. first one i took a 5 minute shower before getting to hospital and had ass chewed out by doctor. 2nd one, went right in.

neither was suggested i wait almost 24 hours.

Ditto. :hi:

and as a mother of nine children, I know for a fact that being a governor isn't a strong enough reason for the airlines to allow a woman who is nine months pregnant to fly from Texas to Alaska.

Once the bag of waters breaks, labor speeds up in almost all cases, which makes it even more dangerous to take such a long flight.

Trig is NOT her baby.

... even I know that once a mother's water breaks, labor speeds up. I'm a "Deliver Me" fan. When those doctors want to get labor going, they break the bag of water. Which makes me queasy.

It does speed up labor, but it also increases the pain. I had three of my children without any painkillers (two at home with midwives), and all I can say is OUCH!

This whole story just sends up so many red flags with me.

There is no way this woman's story is true.
I have had three children and each one came faster than the one before..
You do NOT wait when your water breaks..that is just plain bull looney..
My baby sister was born so fast after my moms water broke she shot out in the elevator and only a fast catch by the doctor kept her from hitting the wall! She was one bruised baby but was caught in time. She was the fourth baby. There is no way a woman can safely wait that long.

shocked when you announce you are 7 months pregnant..she also claimed to have not even told her FAMILY until February..

Each pregnancy "pops" out faster & bigger than the previous..even with a small baby..

OK, I guess I'm out of the loop on the pregnancy. What does she claim happened? Because if she claims she took a plane trip after her water broke she is full of shit. Why would she have so many middle aged female supporters with a preposterous story like that? (Like my mom).....ok, my mom is still an idiot about childbirth. She was asleep during all three with twilight sleep....but still you'd think other women would find that suspect.

Any link to Palins claims?

about her being so stoic getting back to alaska to have the baby. you know.... man up, for alaska.

palin said there was no way she was going to have a baby in texas. that she wanted her baby in alaska, that is how proud and how much she loves alaska.

it is all bullshit

just in time factor from when her water broke to the point of giving birth to a 5th child. Fifth!

Then the flight from the far south to the far north, along with a long drive to a compliant hospital & physician; as well as knowing she was giving birth to a special child - nope, nope, nope - it will never make sense to me.

it takes two days of labor for the first one then a couple hours for the 3rd or 4th?

I don't understand how she could have been in labor long enough to fly that long, seems she woulda popped the kid out somewhere over Denver.........

quick. My mom's labor pains started at 8 p.m., she went to the hospital and they stopped. They almost sent her home, thinking it was false labor but decided to observe her for awhile. A few minutes before midnight they started up again, really strong. I was born 4 minutes after midnight on the cart, on the way to the delivery room. I guess I just wanted to be born on the 18th instead of the 17th.

as people on du are trying to find out who this woman is, .... took 3 hours to learn this story. for days, all the women that have had babies called bullshit. not one woman, not one could justify her story/behavior. that is a lot of women on du, for days.... and not one

even a moment. Except of course the Palin worshippers. Anyone in the real world knew this was bullshit.

Boarding a plane for a long flight after the water breaks??? is at the very least medically unsound and quite possibly dangerous to the life of mother and baby.

Un-friggin-believable.

whereas my first took most of a day to arrive. This pattern is fairly typical of uncomplicated births.

Tell me more! Tell me more!
Is Sarah Palin a whore?

:rofl:

someone I know who was close to Palin's gov office before she ran as VP says Trig is hers.

So she had a book written for her, and her accounts of her life don't always match. We already knew that her story of her last alleged delivery didn't make sense.

But is Sullivan "on to something"? Or is he just promising a careful accounting? It should take days to demolish even a lightweight book like the one with Palin's name on it--but actual bombshells are likely to be few.

I'm expecting the usual banal, revisionist history.

...which has been widely-disseminated. There's a 3rd party that's likely about to pop and perhaps Sully got to them first?:shrug:

...and maybe the born-again Sully can kick off some public debunking.

More public than the millions of blogs already doing this work, I mean.

because he sure as hell didn't need that much space to say he's going to deliver a routine "careful accounting."

Specifically this (which goes beyond what you suggest): "There is a possibility here of such a huge scandal that we would be crazy not to take our time either to debunk it or move it forward for further examination."

What part of the post gives you the idea that he's only going to fact-check her accounts?

Still reads to me like a careful fact-checking. If it's something beyond the book and the already-public record, why bring up the book at all? Maybe some discrepancy between the book and something yet-to-be revealed? Could be.

But I can't argue for or against the existence of what Sully won't write about.

Sullivan's post indicates there is more than that, to me, not only because of the words but because he has more of a reputation to lose by teasing readers and giving them nothing. No-name bloggers (millions of them) have nothing to lose.

We agree: It's difficult to argue for or against something that won't happen....

?

(if you're interested and can stand it), please be sure to read The Mudflats http://www.themudflats.net/ and The Immoral Minority http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/ who are reading it and deconstructing it page by page, so we don't have to. The number of outright provable lies are staggering.

are there any theories on why Palin got so mean and nasty in describing that staffer of hers (can't remember the kid's name) in the Governor's office?

Things like him playing video games and getting his shirt tail stuck in his zipper. There'd have to be a reason to go to such lengths to be so blatantly mean and negative about someone so irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. Any theories?

has such low self esteem. Why anyone would purchase a book written by an adult stuck in the 7th grade socially and emotionally is beyond me. Disclaimer: I have taught middle school.

as he was a loyal water-carrier for her all along.

Andrew Halcro, who ran against her as an independent for governor in 2006, states here http://www.andrewhalcro.com/andrews_wednesday_shout_outs_6



She has words for Andrew in her book, as well, calling him an "effete young chap." Andrew's little YouTube posted at Mudflats where he's reading the portion of the book about him is pretty funny. He must be getting lots of hits because I can't seem to link it right now.

As I've said other places, the Alaska landscape is littered with the bodies of former supporters whom she's thrown under the bus. Bitney's just one more casualty. I'm sure it stings.

They deserved each other.

or truly decent people like Kerry and Biden would not have seemed almost saddened by his leap into the gutter in 2008.

going viral. It's hilarious!

Maybe we'll see it on KO or Rachel some time this week.

Funny, that I thought the aide was "a kid" and not one of $'error's contemporaries who was trying to protect her from her voluntary ignorance. The woman has got no shame and this is just another piece of proof.


edit to add: Thanks for the details and insight!

in the Republican primary for US House. He's one of the "good" Republicans. We all like him a lot up here, even if we disagree with him on some policy matters.

I'd love to see it.

edit: I just saw the post above with the link.

Nasty, mean and spiteful. I'll have to check out the AK blogs tonight.

Maybe that's what Sullivan is doing right now - cross checking Palin's book with Bitney's account of events.

He would know where all the bodies are buried, wouldn't he?

at Bitney about. I believe he (a married man) had an affair with one of her friends, also married, and she just couldn't allow him to remain on her staff with that kind of background. I'm going to have to dig around a little bit, but I do recall now that that's what the issue was.

We were all looking forward to a book by her right-hand man, Frank Bailey, tentatively titled "Renegade: Sarah Palin's Hatchet Man," http://www.andrewhalcro.com/the_hatchet_man_cometh_franks_tell_all but unfortunately his co-author backed out. I'm sure there's a back story there, but I haven't heard it yet. Hopefully, he's shopping the idea around somewhere because if anyone has the dirt on Sarah, it would be him. At this point, he has nothing to lose.

That would be wicked.

But I guess not. Publicists live or die by their discretion.

Meg and Kristan Cole seem to be totally loyal, but I agree, a Stapleton tell-all would be sweet. I might have to buy that one.

When anyone goes as far as interfering with another's employment ("after Bitney landed another job with Rep. John Harris, Todd called Harris and tried to get him fired from that job as well."), there usually is a deep-seated reason. But, we are talking about the Palin family, so who knows what gets their engine running.

While reading your post, it made me wonder if Sarah didn't have designs on Bitney, which may be why Todd, and Sarah are so nastily passive-aggressive toward him.

:shrug:

And he figured out Bitney had a crush on his little wiffy.

Sarah just sounds like a mean girl humiliating the nerd who's worshipfully doting on her.

:hi: I've been reading Shannyn (she's great), but I'll "run" over and check the immoralminority now too.

thanks for the links.

spills his guts at a custody hearing?

...rather, for the payoff.

.

:kick:

On will be lots and lots of glaring discrepancies in her various stories about her preganancy that raise a lot of questions.

http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2009/11/going-rogue-chapter-one.html

<big snip>

Just before Track was born, Todd and I moved to a small apartment in Wasilla, next door to our good friend Curtis Menard, Jr., who by now was a dentist like his dad. (Curtis Menard Jr. was a boy that Sarah was desperately in love with in high school. If Todd had not come along, most of her friends agree she would have ended up with Curtis.)

Todd and I shared one car, and we loved our little life together, though with the Slope and fishing schedule we didn't see each other very much. (P 55)

Okay so here are just the facts. Sarah moves next door to her high school crush right before giving birth to her first child. Todd is away the majority of the time while she is raising her young son. She turns up pregnant, with a child that is due to be born about one year after the birth of Track. She goes to the doctor and has a procedure that is written in as an "Abortion". Then it is whited out, and the word "Miscarriage" is typed in on top of it.

Also remember that I find this information in a book chock full of lies, and revisionist history. Now I ask you dear reader, what do you think?

I'm not sure what to believe, but even if her "story" is true, it's unthinkable to me that she would take that "wild ride" from Texas to Anchorage and drive all the way out to the Valley to deliver, if her water had indeed broken that morning. Why in the world would anyone do that, knowing they were carrying an at-risk child? It just makes no sense, but very little about Ms. P does.

Is the danger in the "standard" story she told a danger to the child, or the mother?

if she asn't hoping for a stillborn child. It sounds cruel to say, but she's not a normal human being.

or she wasnt preg

She was incredibly reckless in the hours after her water broke, if she was in fact pregnant. I cannot believe the time line that she has floated out for public consumption. It defies all reasonable, rational thought. And don't her actions indicate neglect, or disregard for a child's welfare? It's almost like she was wishing something bad would happen.

I can't wait to see where this story goes.

Her behavior absolutely put the child in danger. There is no doubt about that fact.

...if she were in the wrong place at the wrong time and without professional help.

and she was young and stupid.

I think her lying about Trig is much more damning on SOOOOO many levels...if she lied about the pregnancy, and writes him off on her taxes, etc. it goes DEEP into legal territory.

unless your base is 90% rabid right wing anti-abortion nuts.

it is ours to forgive. something truly amazing i have learned in fundieville. when pointing out one of their own failing, forgiveness is quick. everyone else, heathens and going to hell.

father and i had conversation on abortion. adament murder. regardless what i said. niece got preg, he said, abortion only way for her to still have her life, and legal after all. BUT.... it should be illegal.

A dependent for tax purposes is any minor for whom you provide the majority of support, whether it is your child or not.

This stuff is beyond ridiculous.

is used to describe the end of a pregnancy whether it happens spontaneously (i.e. a miscarriage) or is induced. So IF her description of events is true, by itself it means nothing except that it illustrates her ignorance of the definition of the word "abortion".

She wouldn't be the only one. I know people who've been outraged when their miscarriages were called "abortion" in the medical records.

that their bill came with wite-out which covered the word "abortion" on the procedure and was replaced with "miscarriage".

A miscarriage is not a procedure and no doctor's office allows white out on medical bills.

:eyes:

He was deeply, seriously wrong about Iraq, wrong about God, and he's a gay male who supports both the Catholic Church and the Republican Party. He has some serious blind spots in his thought processes, and he is a much better writer than he is a thinker. While it would be nice if he were onto something here, this is something that a lot of people have been digging for dirt on for over a year, and no smoking gun has been found. As many people on this thread have pointed out, her story strains credibility, but if there were irrefutable proof, it probably would have turned up by now, if it hasn't been scrubbed. The only way I can see his having something new is if there is a human source who has finally decided to spill some beans.

1. Many people were deeply wrong about Iraq, including our current VP and SecState. Does that disqualify them on the topic?

2. Wrong about God? In what way? I'm assuming you are taking issue with his faith. Disagreement is one thing, but do you have proof that he is wrong?

3. He is a Catholic and if you'd read him more you would know that to say he "supports" the Church is not quite accurate. In fact, recently he wrote a long post about this topic, arguing for change in the Church and stating that his goal is to change it. Why should he leave based on that one issue? Why would anyone abandon an institution that they agree with, say, 95% of the time? (I'm asking that of anyone and any institution; not whether you think he SHOULD agree with them most of the time.)

I'd be interested in some substantive thoughts on these questions regarding your comments. Thanks.

Andrew Sullivan not only continued to be wrong about Iraq long after it was obvious that he was, but he questioned the wisdom and patriotism of anyone who disagreed. And yes, I do still find serious fault with his, Hillary Clinton's and Joe Biden's intelligence, integrity and ability to discern and speak the truth because of Iraq. Good grief, that isn't even a close call. The justifications for invading Iraq were transparently nonsensical right from the beginning, and many, many, many people knew and said so. To have gone any other way was a matter of political convenience and intellectual cowardice...period.

Go back and read Sullivan's debate with Sam Harris on Beliefnet about religious faith. Despite obsequious politeness, Harris had him reduced to a babbling idiot by the end, unable to justify any of his positions, or to say anything other than, in essence "Yes, this is all silly, but it makes me feel better, so just let me have it, ok?"

Why should Sullivan ditch the Catholic Church (or the Republican party) based one one issue? Gee, I dunno...guess all of those Jews were dumb to leave Nazi Germany just because of one issue. The bottom line is, this is not about "issues". To the Catholic church, his very being, the very nature of who he is as a human being is an abomination. How can that possibly take second place to any amount of agreement on doctrinal issues? And for him to keep spouting the old chestnut about "working for change from within" is so sad and betrays such delusion that it's indescribable (though he is far from the only self-professed Catholic to cling desperately and futilely to that notion). And the Republican party is far, far worse, and has been since long before his support for them even wavered in the slightest. How can he associate himself in any way at all with a group controlled and defined by those who would gladly herd everyone like him into gas chambers and turn on the Zyklon-B? How does disagreeing with the Democrats on economic issues or foreign policy or immigration or anything outweigh that?? And for pity's sake, he never had to BE a Democrat if he disliked their agenda so much, but for any homosexual to support or associate with the GOP in any way is simple insanity.

Should Biden and Clinton be disqualified from service b/c they were wrong? If not, why the slam on Sullivan for his opinion, but the endorsement of a VP and a SecState serving in the gov't after actually voting for the war when they were in the Senate? I think Sullivan was entitled to be wrong and change his mind, just as Biden and Clinton were.

The Sam Harris debate proved Sullivan is "wrong"? Really? Explain that.

Regarding your last paragraph: The moment you had to resort to a Nazi comparison is the moment I knew you were retreated from every effort to make a logical argument. I suppose I shouldn't expect reasonable responses to any of the questions. So I'll leave it at this. Cheers.

but you just got answers you couldn't abide. Let's try again...

No, I don't think Biden and Clinton should be disqualified from their jobs because they were dead wrong about Iraq, but they deserve to have their judgement and integrity questioned because of it. And I don't think Sullivan should be disqualified from writing an online column (as if there were any qualifications for that in the first place), but he also is subject to having his judgement and ability to evaluate evidence (which is what this is all about in the first place) called into serious question based on significant past failures.

Did you even read the Harris debate? And if so, did you seriously think Sullivan came out the intellectual winner there? It proved, beyond any sane person's doubt, that Sullivan is grievously liable to believe things with no factual justification, based only on emotion and gut instinct (again, what this is all about in the first place).

And are you seriously saying that is isn't logical to question why someone would belong to and support a group that would like to see him dead and burning in hell for all eternity, and to call his intellectual judgement into doubt because of that? No, you can't be saying that, because that would be idiotic. But you're right...the Nazi comparison was inappropriate. The Nazis only killed six million Jews. The people running point for the Republican party would happily kill ten times that many homosexuals, and still be satisfied that they were doing god's good work. I know that. You know that. Sullivan knows that. Case closed.

He has atoning to do someday for the blood on his hands.

Any big scandal regarding this wacko and her book potential sales would have not been there.

I think it may be coming from none other than Levi...

...to saunter around the country--calling Levi names, lambasting him and stirring up a hornet's nest?

You don't shit talk someone who can bring you to your knees and destroy you. I guess if you're Sarah
Palin, you do.

Her endless supply of narcissism is only eclipsed by her abundance of stupidity.

The wave of hell that is coming to her is soooooo deserved. I can't wait for her to be
humiliated and ripped to shreds. It will be the BEST downfall of any public figure we've
ever seen.

Sullivan has gotten things right far more often than wrong.

I hope he strikes oil here.

Andrew Sullivan mentioned the fifth pregnancy.

Andrew Sullivan has long been onto this story.

Levi recently said in an interview that he is going to court over the custody and
visitation of his son. He mentioned a bombshell, and that Palin knew what he
was talking about--and that soon he would have his son.

These three things may be related.

Is it possible that Levi contacted Sullivan with the truth about Trig being his son--because
Sullivan has been outspoken about questions surrounding Palin's fifth pregnancy. It makes
sense that Levi would go to a trusted, well-known journalist who would be receptive.

Why would Levi have connected Sarah Palin to custody issues surrounding one of his children?

It's obvious that she's smack dab in the center of some torrid scandal that involves Levi.

Is Trig the child of Bristol and Levi?

Sarah Palin deserves this scandal to rain down hard on her. She used Trig to lull the pro-lifers
into some kind of hypnotic trance--wooing them into believing that she was some sort of saint for
not aborting her Down's Syndrome child. She used that child. She also used Trig again when she
talked about Obama's supposed death panels. She deserves the fury that is about to be unleashed.

Sullivan would not have mentioned anything--if he didn't have concrete proof (first-person witness).

My guess is that he's consulting with his attorney and possibly letting Sarah Palin know the hand
that he will be playing. He may be signaling to her that he's got the goods on her--and possibly
get her on the record.

Can't wait.

every moment there was a decision to be made about her children, she put herself first.

that... makes me mad

Well said.

Fingers crossed.

;)

The scenario she describes surrounding the birth of Trig is outrageous and if true, completely irresponsible.

This is a women that threw a blanket over her visibly pregnant daughters midsection, placed her baby in her arms
then trotter her teenaged daughter out on a national stage KNOWING full well she was perpetuating a lie. Why
would anyone find it hard to believe she would distort the truth surrounding a pregnancy?

OK, is this a reputable health site? http://pregnancy.lovetoknow.com/wiki/What_are_the_Effects_of_Crystal_Meth_during_Pregnancy

Does anyone have good info on effects of meth on fetus? Sarah's or Bristol's, could meth use be a problem for Trig?

Instead of just looking to see if Todd was gone at conception time, I would double check where Sarah was, and which kids were home with Dad.

Oh, the possibilities.

Not unheard of for a teen-aged girl to get pregnant in hopes of escaping a horrible home life. If once doesn't work, twice might do the trick, well until Daddy bribes you to dump your beau with a new car...

Sarah shows a lot of common traits with women who were victims of incest. That sort of thing can be generational too. Bristol seems like a very sad young lady.

not meth. Todd's half-sister is the one who looked like a meth head and was busted for burglary.

But still wanna know about meth and pregnancy. :evilgrin:

somehow find a way to make that a good thing.

And many on the right would see it as some kind of second coming of the Christ -- instead of a manger, this time born in a ice fishing shack in Alaska.

though, if she lost 5% of her following there, it would be devastating to her chances in 2012...

it's about completely destroying her with the middle before she has a chance to rebuild her image.

Anyone who thinks otherwise (Sarah) is seriously delusional.

Nixon lost in 1960, and came back to win in 68 & 72.

Reagan barely lost the primary to Ford in 76 and came back to win in 80 and 84

And, nobody thought Bush was a serious candidate in 1999 when he announced. Most Democrats thought McCain was a tougher opponent as well. Nobody could take that lightweight Bush seriously...

the edge of my seat:

'There is a possibility here of such a huge scandal that we would be crazy not to take our time either to debunk it or move it forward for further examination.'

I've never been terribly interested in the Palin Chronicles, but I have to admit, her post election behavior has me intrigued.

...or you hurt the spell

Like sometime between 2011 and 2012 - when her credibility might need a test or two

And Sarah seemed shaken on Oprah when she asked about Levi. Of course, it's hard to discern "shaken" from "stupid" when it comes to Sarah Palin, but I digress.

I wonder what he knows? He's dumb as a box of rocks, but there may really be something substantive rattling around in that head of his.

In her mid-forties, the downs risk is very high (like one in 25), so that tells me that he is likely hers. The father, on the other hand is questionable.

As for her behavior during her labor - that tells me that she wanted someting to go wrong so that the baby would die.

Does the risk of Down syndrome increase with the mother’s age?
Yes. The risk of Down syndrome increases with the mother’s age (7):

At age 25, the risk of having a baby with Down syndrome is 1 in 1,250.
At age 30, the risk is 1 in 1,000.
At age 35, the risk is 1 in 400.
At age 40, the risk is 1 in 100.
At age 45, the risk is 1 in 30.

Even though the risk is greater as the mother’s age increases, about 80 percent of babies with Down syndrome are born to women under age 35. This is because younger women have more babies than older women (1).

http://www.marchofdimes.com/professionals/14332_1214.asp

According to this, it's quite possible Trig could be Bristol's.

Statistically, Sarah is much more likely to have a downs baby and Bristol is not. Not that it can't happen, it's just not as likely.

I'm sure Levi has some dirt, but I doubt very much that this is it.

Statistically, Sarah is much more likely to have a downs baby and Bristol is not. Not that it can't happen, it's just not as likely.

I'm sure Levi has some dirt, but I doubt very much that this is it.

I don't give him much credit (as much as I dislike Palin). I dislike them both.

Kings and princes speaking in front of someone they know to be a fool, do not always guard their speech. One would suppose wanna-bee princesses might make the same mistake.

I can imagine Levi, immature as he might have been, could have witnessed some embarrassing, if not illegal, goings on. Sarah is arrogant enough to dismiss the possibility that she is not the smartest person in the room.

told me that she was facing blackmail or jail time.

from Mudflats review:
http://www.themudflats.net/2009/11/18/chapter-three-drill-baby-drill-part-2-of-2/#comments

this little passage:
and Todd flew to Dallas. Baby due in 5 weeks. She was due to deliver a keynote address at an oil and gas conference. At 4am she had a "strange sensation." (water breaking) Didn't want Todd to call her doctor because it was 1am and she just wanted to pray to God. But Todd called anyway.

It occurred to her that she loved the baby and "desperation for this baby overwhelmed her." "Please God, protect him!" Losing the baby would be the worst thing in the world.

Told the doctor she absolutely didn't want to cancel the speech and disappoint the people at the conference, including Gov. Rick Perry. She'd stay in touch with doctorand catch an earlier flight back to Alaska. They had plenty of time.

Spoke on the urgent need to tap conventional supplies and innovate on stabilizing renewable resources.

Governor Perry introduced her with humorous remarks about how they both loved people who cling to guns and religion.

She delivered the speech.


Am I mistaken or is this the first I've heard that Todd was in Dallas with her?

with her. he drove from alaska airport to wasilla.

so yes, i think even back when the story broke in sept 08, todd was there

guess that would make sense.

But then again, this is about the only thing that makes sense.

but hearing this story within first handful of hours researching her, turned me off. i wouldnt have cared how smart she was.... this alone told me she didnt have the sense to be a mom, let alone a pres. or she lies. and i dont respect that either

I don't recall hearing that Todd was with her, but it wouldn't suprise me if he was. I get the feeling he's afraid to let her out of his sight.

He's all over Sarah - much more than it looks like.

they got a lot of deep, dark, hidden stuff going on down in their dungeons...

Who can believe this B.S.? She's a freak.

it was safe for her to wait for luncheon, her speech, flight to alaska and drive to wasilla. after midnight alaska time, before hittin hospital. almost 24 hours later. no medical assistance available whole on airplane

believable, ....? nah

And she didn't want to even do that but Todd forced the issue! She then went on to give a speech and attend a luncheon after her water broke hours before, following that her doctor was ok with her flying from Texas to Alaska in that condition having had no medical attention during this entire time.

For starters we would have to believe this doctor of hers is a negligent quack to go along with this. Once the water breaks there is a risk of infection, I can't believe any doctor would blow that off.

She also could have gone into active labor at any time and being that she's given birth multiple times previously, labor could go real quick this time. She could have ended up giving birth on a commercial flight with no medical assistance. What if there were complications?? What kind of person takes this risk and what doctor would allow it?

I don't believe a word of this story.

Thanked him for staying on the story, offered to help with any reasearch,etc, involving the trip after her water broke (I worked as a delivery room RN for several years), told him that IMO, she either lied or was criminally negligent and should have been charged with child endangerment.

three points about this really bother me about this.

First, she was 8 months pregnant and it was already confirmed DS. At this stage travel should have been restricted, especially air travel.

Secondly, her water broke before her speach. All they did was call the doctor. Also, she makes the comment that she felt "something weird" or words to that effect. This is her fifth kid and she doesn't know what her water breaking feels like?

Finally and thanks for the clarification of Todd being there, she makes the comment that Todd says Page 195
The Wild Ride
Todd said, "Love this state, but we can't have a fish picker born in Texas."

Is this a backhand verification of their involvement in the Alaska Independence Party? This comment most certainly gives that impression as it relates to Todd but also complicity to his view by her. Was the underlying reason why they traveled and jeopardized the well being of this unborn child purely based upon political/cultural views of Todd?

but it's almost impossible to understand what motivates people with narcissistic personality disorder (NPD), (which, imo, I believe she has), except to say, everything they say and do is to benefit themselves. They have no ability to love, care for, or empathize with, anyone else. When they appear to exhibit feelings for others, it's only a manipulation technique to gain something for themselves.

unfortunately I'm married to one.

Talk about hell on earth!

but from everything i heard while i was pregnant once you even leak you are open to infection and need to go to doctor right away.

When i think about the story more and more i think its her kid but she didn't want it. I wonder if she didn't say she was pregnant because she wanted to get abortion and was wondering how to do so and not have anyone find out. She finally realized it would be political suicide to have one so she continued pregnancy but did so in a way where it was obvious she was hoping he wouldn't live. She wouldn't have flown if she really cared about him or would have gone to local doctor. We only have her and her husbands word for what the doctor she says she called really said. he can't talk because its patient confidential. for all we know she never called or he told her to go to a local doc.

then once she had it she decided well i might as well use this to my advantage and now he's a prop. she went back to work after only 2-3 days and since then he is babysat all the time. she used being a gov as her excuse to only take short time off. she could have taken more.

becoming pregnant again a month or two later. Not that a woman can't become pregnant a couple of months after having a baby, but your theory makes more sense.

i had both

their time following this woman who want to be president but is obviously unqualified (just as boosh was) we are not hearing some news that is a 1000 times more important. She is just part of the pug obstruction crew. Instead of focusing on health care we are sniffing after her next "news story" - who really cares?

so it's possible to focus on more than one issue at a time. We're also aware that the MSM uses one story to divert our attention away from something they don't want us to attend to.

As for "who really cares?", based on your own post, I'd think you would. You say that she is obviously unqualified to be Prez just as Bush was, but he was Prez for 8 long, very dysfunctional years. THAT is why I care. I don't want another idiot in the WH.
Dismissing Palin would be a very bad mistake, imo. She may be unqualified, but it doesn't mean she won't be Prez if we're not careful.

her but I am definitely sick of her. If we in the progressive media spend as much time on her as the idiots do we are taking time away from doing our own education for the public. And we are adding to her popularity or at least to the illusion of it.

I read the "we" in your post as "we here at DU". I'm sorry I didn't understand what you were referring to, but from this response, it would appear that you are part of the progressive media, or am I incorrect again? I don't mean this as snark, I just want to understand where you're coming from.

I'm sick of her, too, but that genie's not going back into the bottle until someone is able to discredit her once and for all. If Andrew Sullivan or someone else is able to to that, more power to them.

I think we on the left tend to dismiss people like Palin, and we do so at our own peril. We dismissed Bush as the Dim Son, we dismissed the radical right and fundies for years, referring to them as the crazy fringe, etc, but now they are a big problem. They have almost completely destroyed the GOP and are hard at work destroying the Dems. Every time someone on DU says they hope she runs for Prez, I get a chill. She has the ear of the most dysfunctional people in the country and is backed by big money. That's a very dangerous combo, imo.

that only keeps her in the spotlight. If she gets noticed by the rw that is one thing but when the left are doing her PR for her that is another. I am calling exposure PR.

Then we agree. I want someone in the media to expose her for what she is. Hopefully, the Andrew Sullivans will uncover enough wrongdoing, lies, etc, to make it impossible for the MSM to ignore the truth vs. the hype. :fistbump:

expose her to who? This is all very interesting, but I'm not sure how anything Andrew Sullivan might turn up is going to damage her in the eyes of people who are still wacky enough to think she's the moose's antlers. All sane, sensible people already know that she's inexperienced, unintelligent, intemperate, narcissistic and a pathological liar. All the details about how she handled her labor (allegedly) have been out there for a year, and she's just as popular as ever. Nothing anyone else can say or do will bring her down for the 30% lunatic fringe that adores her.

for instance, breaking the law, then it's a whole new ballgame.

didn't damage Rush Limbaugh or Ann Coulter in the eyes of the wingnut right, or any other conservative darling that I can think of. They're just being persecuted and stifled by liberals in the media and law enforcement, as far as the looney toons are concerned.

And if she were to be convicted, then she'd be ineligible, which would make my day.

I wrote a blog about it, to immortalize it. So that if it happened, I could point to it, and dispel its being explainable. I was shortlu banned, by palinista's. I too think I have heard conflicting things about trig.

The important thing is, that in my scenario, I thought that Palin was trying to get trig. To eliminate the stigma of being an unwed mother in that Jesus backward community. Most of those, that entertained the scenario, thought Palin would be considered a hero, for the scam. They now will think her a hero. My spidey sense seems to not have failed me. And I was heartened by Levi's claim that Sarah hounded him to relinquish his child. This makes me want to become a gumshoe.

chance to re-elect President Obama it is our best interest to keep Sarah Palin in play as long as possible. We should even hope she wins the Republican nomination for president.

When it comes to dealings with this woman things do not pass the smell test at all.

.

I agree where is his birth certificate. That is why she is not running for a national election. Gotta show proof. I betcha.

asked Palin to see birth cert. Palin went nuts on them and threatened them via email in that creepy, vague way (Her admin gave ADN money-- a long story- which ADN needed, apparently). Emails flew back and forth, with Palin writing a snarky letter saying she had "proven" Trig was hers. all she did was TELL them Trig was hers. She makes snarky comment about them wanting a DNA test.

Editor writes her back that they are sorry for misunderstanding, were just trying to help put these rumors to rest, but if she's serious about DNA test they will pay for it.

Never got anything back from Palin.

http://community.adn.com/adn/node/136523?pageNum=2&mi_pluck_action=page_nav#Comments_ContainerJanuary%2013,%202009

http://community.adn.com/adn/node/136586

http://community.adn.com/adn/node/136415

Bristol missing all that school and changing schools and stuff? Her Mom was Gov and more people don't think this is weird, expecially when the dates correspond with SP's supposed pregnancy. There were rumors all along that the baby was Bristol's rather than Sarah's, and Sarah waited until she was 6 months along to even tell Todd.

Plus, then with the Tripp pregnancy, look at the dates there...Bristol would have been conceiving the exact same week SP ended up having Trig!! How perfect is that, I mean how freakin' crazy. For a teen, Gov's daughter, super conservative, family already knows Sarah is preg with a DS baby, yet that exact same week Bristol's having unprotected sex and happens to get preg? Come on.

Then, you knew there was something going on when the rumors first started in late august 2008 that it was Bristol's baby. Then, Bristol really did come out as being pregnant, just in time to be a perfect example for her Mom's vice-pres campaign. It's too freakin perfect!

Maybe Trig isn't Bristol's baby...but there is definitely more to all of this that we don't know, otherwise the planets must have aligned perfectly for all this shit to happen so perfectly.

supposedly, that she was having baby. video does not show a preg woman well into 6th month. one video sittin in chair she reaches down to ankle. no way in hell over 6 month preg with 5th child. (bigger, sooner). and that was a big baby born a month adn half later.

and what happened around that time. Based on the timeline, he was supposedly conceived around August 22-29, 2007.


It just so happens that that same week the following items were announced by the Palins:

August 30, 2007 - Sarah Palin decides to reside full time in Wasilla rather than Juneau

http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_action=list&p_topdoc=11

August 22, 2007 - Todd Palin returns to job with BP Alaska because the family needs money

http://www.kfqd.com/node/3608


Seems strange to make these couple of life changing decisions the exact week you conceive your child. I'm guessing either Bristol was already pregnant by then OR

Track got a girl pregnant by then which then preceeded his Joining the Army on September 11, 2007. Track has other "strange" things going on as well, such as that in early 2007 he returned from going to high school in Wisconsin (I think) and finished the last 1/4th of his senior year at Wasilla High. Could he have been involved in something fairly bad that would cause the Palins to bring him back from Wisconsin and would force them to need to come up with a sh*tload more money.

at a time that would have been late in her pregnancy. But I can't get the flight back to Alaska out of my mind. I cannot imagine any woman, even Palin, boarding a plane for a long, long flight after her water broke. The risk of going into labor during the flight would be high. Just the thought of giving birth in the aisle or at the rear of the cabin would give any woman pause. This isn't an appendectomy, it's giving birth, with all that entails. :blush:

boots

not much there, methinks

after asking readers to send in any verifiable information...

:wow:

That makes it even more absurd that she wouldn't seek medical attention in Dallas and would just get on a commercial flight to fly to Alaska. That is seriously screwed up.

The other thing is she didn't give a damn about subjecting flight personnel to such a potentially serious medical situation...they aren't doctors and would have been put in a very difficult and stressful position. It's pretty self-absorbed not to care how your actions in such a situation might impact others who will have to handle an emergency of your own creation. Not to mention, of course, the baby whose life could be jeopardized by such a crazy decision.

Now if they gave her the ok and said she had time to fly home...that would be different, but she just called her Dr. back home and he said to just fly home. She should have gone to an ER in Dallas, told them her situation and asked what they thought. She didn't.

or a dr. in Anchorage.

She only contacted a specific dr at a specific hospital. Thay may not be too uncommon, but along the way, this doctor was just ok with what she was doing?

Also (for those way more knowledgeable) I kind of thought that there was something unique about the doctor who delivered Trig but can't seem to find anything.

The baby is Sarah's and Track's.