Orrin Hatch on health care debate: "It's going to be a holy war"

Holy war? That's how Senator Orrin Hatch (R-UT) is characterizing the upcoming debate on the health insurance reform bill:
Republicans, who have criticized the Democrats' initiative as a step toward government control of the healthcare system, are already planning a series of delaying tactics, including forcing the entire bill to be read aloud on the Senate floor.

"It's going to be a holy war," Sen. Orrin G. Hatch (R-Utah) said Wednesday evening.
This means that, in Hatch's world, insurance companies are deities. Republicans sure do worship at their altar.
http://www.americablog.com/

The Crusades are starting???? Who's on first?

that's what makes him a repuke whore

And now Hatch is going to crap all over what Kennedy wanted passed.

good friends. It wasn't just a Senate friendship. Kennedy would help him when he could. Hatch came through for Kennedy after he got dragged through the Palm Springs mess.

Kennedy was at a real low point. He needed to try to not only push up his support in Massachusetts, but also to regain support in the Senate. Kennedy asked Hatch if he could send other Senators to him for a vote of confidence, and Hatch said yes.

He told Kennedy that he had to straighten out. Kennedy knew it too. Hatch said he would send the Mormon leaders over if he didn't. Hatch could still be a jackass, but he really did try to personally help Kennedy. He would work with him politically too.

Nevertheless, Orrin Hatch is going to Hell.

Hope you are well! :hi:

from the comfort of their living room sofas.

one hell of a battle. They will smite him and bring him down.

Orrin may want to rethink his use of terminology.

I've stated before the mormon history is bloody... This little historical "gem" is never taught in mormon seminary classes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_Meadows_massacre

The Mountain Meadows massacre was a mass slaughter of the Fancher-Baker emigrant wagon train at Mountain Meadows, Utah Territory, by the local Mormon militia on September 11, 1857. It began as an attack, quickly turned into a siege, and eventually culminated in the execution of the unarmed emigrants after their surrender. All of the party except for seventeen children under eight years old—about 120 men, women, and children—were killed. After the massacre, the corpses of the victims were left decomposing for two years on the open plain, their children were distributed to local Mormon families, and many of their possessions auctioned off at the Latter Day Saint Cedar City tithing office.

The Arkansas emigrants were passing through the Utah territory at a tense time in the Utah War when 2,500 troops sent by President Buchanan were approaching with orders to restore US authority in the territory. Mormon leaders had been mustering militia and making defiant speeches stating their determination to mount a defense. The emigrants stopped to rest and regroup their approximately 800 head of cattle at Mountain Meadows, a valley within the Iron County Military District of the Nauvoo Legion (the popular designation for the Mormon militia of the Utah Territory).

Initially intending to orchestrate an Indian massacre, local militia leaders including Isaac C. Haight and John D. Lee conspired to lead militiamen disguised as Native Americans along with a contingent of Paiute tribesmen in an attack. The emigrants fought back and a siege ensued. When the Mormons discovered that they had been identified as the attacking force by the emigrants, Col. William H. Dame, head of the Iron County Brigade of the Utah militia, ordered their annihilation. Intending to leave no witnesses of Mormon complicity in the siege and also intending to prevent reprisals that would complicate the Utah War, militiamen induced the emigrants to surrender and give up their weapons. After escorting the emigrants out of their hasty fortification, the militiamen and their tribesmen auxiliaries executed the emigrants. Investigations, interrupted by the U.S. Civil War, resulted in nine indictments in 1874. Only John D. Lee was tried in a court of law, and after two trials, he was convicted. On March 23, 1877 a firing squad executed Lee at the massacre site.

Historians attribute the massacre to a combination of factors including war hysteria fueled by millennialism and strident Mormon teachings by senior LDS leaders including Brigham Young. These teachings included doctrines about God's vengeance against those who had killed Mormon prophets, some of whom were from Arkansas. Scholars debate whether the massacre was caused by any direct involvement by Brigham Young, who was never officially charged and denied any wrongdoing. However, the predominant academic position is that Young and other church leaders helped provide the conditions which made the massacre possible.

Just doing the lord's work...

Funny how Catholics can deal with people talking about the Crusades, but Mormons call anyone who cites their own history against them as "prejudiced".

For the record, let me state I used to be a mormon. I know whereof I speak. Mormonism is a cult, no less dangerous than scientology.

I come from an old Southern Arizona mormon family. And I completely agree: mormonism IS A CULT, and one as dangerous as scientology.

The church's recent inception of proposition 8, support of proposition 8, funding of proposition 8 and then lying about the level of the church's involvement only confirms my statements.

And I say again: the church's past history is suspect and bloody. Their current history is equally suspect.

Just curious.

Steve Benson posts there a lot. Lots of good people. Sometimes the main discussion board gets a lot like GD on a bad day, though.

insurance companies are part of. Who cares about the sick and needy whom Jesus Christ told his followers they would have to take care of to get into heaven.

The church takes in BILLIONS a year in tithes from its members. It uses approximately 2% of that amount charitably. The rest goes to support the massive mormon money machine. It is fitting the mormon church aligned with the catholic church to formulate Proposition (H)eight in California. They both serve Mammon.

But don't take my word for it. Google is your friend.

having to spend more time that I have ever wanted to in Utah. I know what you are saying. The ordinary people are nice but the rich business types, who are often way up there in the hierarchy, are every bit as ruthless about money as any hedge fund manager. They have taken over a lot of the gambling action in Nevada as the mob got pushed out. So I believe what you are saying.

mormon high command approaches high finance. This is no ordinary "pass the plate on Sunday" operation. This is billions of dollars, massive international investments and blue chip portfolios. The church has *huge* landholdings and controlling interests in major US companies. Make no mistake, this is not an ordinary worship organization. This is big business, and as ruthlessly controlled as any Fortune 500 company.

...that rich Republicans "deserve".

Don't think what I say is true? Then you don't know Republicans true "core" values.

and need an urgent treatment of medical marijuana to mellow out.