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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-21-09 09:52 AM
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All He Is Saying, Is Give Escalation A Chance...
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2009_11/021106.php

ALL HE IS SAYING, IS GIVE ESCALATION A CHANCE.... I'll take, "People whose opinions should no longer matter" for $100, Alex. (via Atrios)

US Senator John McCain predicted an allied win in Afghanistan in one year to 18 months if sufficient troops are sent, as the White House mulls sending tens of thousands of reinforcements. <...>

"I am absolutely convinced and totally confident that with sufficient resources we can turn the situation around," McCain told reporters at an international defense summit in easternmost Canada.

"I even am bold enough to predict that in a year to 18 months you will see success if the effort is sufficiently resourced and there is a commitment to get the job done before setting a date to leave the region," he said.


McCain didn't get around to explaining why his perspective on this should have any salience at all, which is a shame. I'd love to hear why anyone should take him seriously on the subject.

Keep in mind, as recently as a year ago, McCain rejected talk of sending additional U.S. troops to Afghanistan. He later changed his mind, and then changed it back. The seriousness with which McCain took U.S. policy in Afghanistan became clear when the senator endorsed the notorious "muddle through" strategy.


But of particular interest right now, it's be great to hear McCain flesh out this position in more detail. In 12 to 18 months, he says, the U.S. will "see success" in Afghanistan, but only if an additional 40,000 troops are on the ground. But what does "success" mean? Gen. McChrystal has said largely the opposite -- that the mission may very well fail even with an escalation.

McCain has long loved bumper-sticker-style slogans as a substitute for actual thinking about foreign policy. But that's all the more reason to press further. What does "get the job done" mean? What can 108,000 soldiers do that 68,000 soldiers have not? If escalation is the key to success, why has McCain resisted troop increases in the past?

Inquiring minds want to know.

—Steve Benen
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FarLeftFist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-21-09 09:54 AM
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1. McCain seems to know something we don't in terms of strategy....
Maybe we should send him to the frontlines.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-21-09 09:57 AM
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3. Terrific idea, and let him do 4 or 5 tours while he's at it. nt
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-21-09 09:56 AM
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2. Let's see...John McCain picked Sarah Palin for his VP running mate.
That pretty much removes any shred of credibility or intelligence from the man.

Shut. The. Fuck. Up, McCain. Retire and go home to make your heiress wife unhappy 24/7, OK?
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-21-09 10:13 AM
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7. I bet there were Republicans who voted for Obama who felt the same about McCain's judgement
after he chose Palin. At the time it was a big attention-getting move because it sure got attention here at DU where the threads were obsessed (Palin is still a DU obsession) about Palin and not as much was said about Obama's great acceptance speech.
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-21-09 09:58 AM
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4. 40,000 troops could do a lot - but NOT enough to "win"
in Afghanistan. U.S. does not have the troops or the public support to really "win" decisively in a manner that would then allow a drawdown to levels that would be acceptable.

I don't know what the answer is but I sure as hell wouldn't look to McCain for advice.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-21-09 10:01 AM
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5. has he revealed his secret plan for winning in Afghanistan yet?
Edited on Sat Nov-21-09 10:02 AM by bigtree
I say suit him up and drop him from a plane right outside of Kandahar.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-21-09 10:09 AM
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6. McCain is on the same page as McChrystal, Gates, Clinton and Holbrooke - Benen SHOULD mention that
since they will influence the WH's decision more than McCain.

But....I doubt Benen will go there and upset his pals at State.
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-21-09 10:17 AM
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8. What does "win" mean?
Chasing everyone to Pakistan?
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excess_3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-21-09 10:26 AM
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9. the Karzai regime is worth dying for, send youì son ...nt
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-21-09 11:15 AM
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10. He's trying to sucker Obama into sending more troops...
which will be a heavy burden for the Democrats to defend in next year's election...
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