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Megahurtz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 09:12 PM
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So "The government has a legitimate and substantial interest in preserving and promoting fetal life"
Seriously WHAT - THE - FUCK??? :wtf:

This part was not included in the Yahoo News version in the Latest Breaking News section yesterday regarding "Supreme Court upholds law banning some abortions":

>>>>

...The decision by the conservative majority that included both of Bush's appointees marked the first federal ban on an abortion procedure to be upheld since the court's landmark Roe v. Wade ruling in 1973 that women have a basic constitutional right to abortion.

The majority opinion written by Justice Anthony Kennedy rejected the argument the law must be struck down because it imposed an undue burden on a woman's right to abortion, that it was too vague or broad and it failed to provide an exception for abortions to protect the health of a pregnant woman.

"The government has a legitimate and substantial interest
in preserving and promoting fetal life,"


Kennedy wrote in the 39-page opinion. He said the law would reduce the number of late-term abortions....

http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSWBT00684520070419

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Can you say Breeding Cattle?

Looks like the MenInCharge want the authority to peer into Women's and Girl's crotches
and make sure they BREED BREED BREED, by Rapist or not!

Yeah that's Republican limited and "small Government" for ya! :sarcasm:

Yep, they want our Fetuses because they want our Kids!
For what?
Future Wars?
Future Wage Slaves?
Bleeding them for taxes when they're old enough or other Exploitation?
I'm sure that there's something I haven't covered!:wow:

What does everyone else think of this statement?

Can you say FULL CONTROL???

AND SO! They are finally ADMITTING IT'S A FETUS???





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peacebird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 09:16 PM
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1. they don't think that much - they want to protect life from conception to birth
after that you are on your own.....

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Megahurtz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 09:26 PM
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2. But Abortion is not Conception
so when they are outlawing Abortion, they are forcing Conception. Like you said in different words, they really don't care about people, only if they get something out of it.
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ljm2002 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 09:39 PM
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3. Unbelievable!
"The government has a legitimate and substantial interest in preserving and promoting fetal life"

Just, wow.

There is no logic to this position. The law in question outlaws a specific procedure, even though it does not disallow another procedure at the same time in the term (IOW, it disallows the vaginal procedure, while the alternative C-section-type procedure, which is riskier for the mother, is allowed). So they are not protecting the life of the fetus at all; rather, they are endangering the life of the pregnant woman.

Creeps, scoundrels, bastards. Alito should be impeachable because he lied to the Senate in his confirmation hearings. I listened to him say how strongly he respected the traditions of precedent. Didn't take him long to throw that canard out the window.

And Congress needs to pass specific laws allowing doctors and their women patients to make these medical decisions without outside interference.
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Megahurtz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 10:59 PM
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13. Yes, there is No Distinct Line
it is a blurr. The only logic I can see is for Exploitation (using their own Citzens) and to satisfy their Faux-Christian Fundamentalist base (votes for the GOP) and maybe just for pure unfettered control.

The Doctors need to be given more control/discision making, unless they are the kind of Doc's that are driven by BigMoney/BigPharma. You know, there are good trustworthy Doctors and there are $greedy$ ones.

This statement by the Supreme Court just hits a really bad note.:(
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 09:41 PM
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4. It's post-fetal life they have a problem with
Oh, unless you're brain-dead.
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will_in_chicago Donating Member (196 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 09:53 PM
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7. How to respond
My advice is to try to overturn the 2003 law by passing a new bill allowing DOCTORS to decide when to use the dilation and extraction procedure.
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Megahurtz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 10:29 PM
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10. That At Least
gives some protection!
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Megahurtz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 10:30 PM
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11. Or Unless
they cannot exploit (use) you in some way.
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Cirque du So-What Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 09:49 PM
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5. If Republicks gave two shits about fetal life,
they would demand compliance with mercury emission standards from coal-fired power plants in accordance with the Clean Air Act instead of allowing power companies to slide for years longer under *Co's so-called 'Clear Skies Initiative.'

Mercury is a known neurotoxin, but conservatives believe the profits of coal & power companies come before fetal health. Just another tally mark on the board for conservative hypocrisy.
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Megahurtz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 11:07 PM
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14. You're Right
but I believe that they really don't give a shit about the Environment, and human life, because in caring about it they would have to give up their power and control, and in doing so their quest for their "New World Order".:tinfoilhat:

I post the tinfoilhat, but I'm serious!

Hey, all that Oil is Big Money, and if they used an Alternative, then they would have to give up their "Terrorism" excuse.

Then the World wouldn't be pissed off at us anymore, but there's no money in that, right? :sarcasm:
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 09:53 PM
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6. How can people who insit the Government should have nothing to do with helping people stay alive
insist that its the government's job to "protect" a fetus?
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Megahurtz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 11:10 PM
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15. But Notice also That
they've been arguing all along that it's a Baby, but now they call it a Fetus?

So what are they doing messing with Fetuses? :shrug:

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kiahzero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 09:54 PM
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8. Um... this isn't new.
In view of all this, we do not agree that, by adopting one theory of life, Texas may override the rights of the pregnant woman that are at stake. We repeat, however, that the State does have an important and legitimate interest in preserving and protecting the health of the pregnant woman, whether she be a resident of the State or a nonresident who seeks medical consultation and treatment there, and that it has still another important and legitimate interest in protecting the potentiality of human life. These interests are separate and distinct. Each grows in substantiality as the woman approaches term and, at a point during pregnancy, each becomes "compelling."


Roe v. Wade, 410 U.S. 113, 162 (1973).
http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/historics/USSC_CR_0410_0113_ZO.html

This is Blackmun's majority opinion.
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Megahurtz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 10:27 PM
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9. Even if it's not new
more people need to know their thinking. This is the first time I've heard about it, and I'm sure they "encourage" the MSM to play it down.

I think it's pretty weird, and also, they now call it a Fetus, but they have been arguing that it's a baby.

That opens up way more control for them.

How far can their control go? :scared:
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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 10:58 PM
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12. So
we can expect these people to pass massive government assistance to pay for fetus care? Heck how but health are that gets the fetus to a baby? I see no evidence of this interest outside of banning activities you can do with you body.
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Megahurtz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 01:16 PM
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17. I Guess
that some of the sick Fundies think that it will make people abstain from sex,
but it seems like some of them in charge have a more sinister motive.

Eew! It's like they're a bunch of Leeches leeching off of all of us!
As long as they can use and discard, that's all they care about.
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 01:05 PM
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16. kick n/t
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