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arcadian

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Tue Dec-01-09 11:21 AM
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Poll question: Alleged cop killer story

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seabeyond

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Tue Dec-01-09 11:22 AM
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1. such a bogus bullshit poll. you put nothing in about the killer running, causing not having day in

court

such a bullshit poll

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slackmaster

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Tue Dec-01-09 11:24 AM
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2. Other

The man made a series of poor choices that resulted in the death of four innocent people, and in the process he denied himself the possibility of getting a fair trial for his crimes.

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arcadian

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Tue Dec-01-09 11:26 AM
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4. No. That would be choice one.

"The guy probably did it"

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slackmaster

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Tue Dec-01-09 11:30 AM
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8. I did not pick that one because it includes the phrase "justice is served"

Justice was not served.

A problem may have been solved, but that was not really justice.

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petronius

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Wed Dec-02-09 04:22 PM
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22. You speak for me as well. I think it's highly likely the guy did it, but the

phrase "justice was served" is too colloquial in this context. I might think he 'got what was coming to him,' but that's not the interpretation of "justice" that should apply here...

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ecstatic

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Tue Dec-01-09 11:25 AM
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3. I wonder how the people who voted option A feel about the Afghanistan war

If you feel violence begets violence, then you most likely approve of the war and escalation.

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seabeyond

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Tue Dec-01-09 11:28 AM
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5. couldn't vote poll cause it is bullshit options. argument violence begets violence would be OPPOSED

Edited on Tue Dec-01-09 11:29 AM by seabeyond

not for.

a criminal that murders cops, armend and dangerous is not the same situation as afghanistan.

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gateley

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Tue Dec-01-09 11:33 AM
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10. In this instance, I don't believe it was violence begets violence. I understand

the circumstances in which this cop shot Clemmens. I honestly think any of us might have responded the same way in this situation.

And that's quite a blanket judgment/opinion you state. I'm vehemently against the war and escalation, but again, in this particular circumstance, I'd rather have it end as it did than have another cop killed.

I didn't vote in the poll, by the way, because I don't consider death for a crime committed "justice".

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Sebastian Doyle

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Tue Dec-01-09 11:37 AM
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11. Ridiculous comparison.

There is no evidence whatsoever that Afghanistan is, ever was, or ever will be a threat to the United States of America.

There were eyewitnesses who watched the piece of shit Maurice Clemmons murder 4 cops in cold blood. He was wounded at that scene and when he was finally stopped, he had one of their weapons. No question of his guilt.

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Sukie

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Tue Dec-01-09 12:07 PM
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15. Now that is such a preposterous conclusion. big eye roll

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gateley

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Tue Dec-01-09 11:28 AM
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6. They had PROOF he did it -- not "probably".

That being said I don't consider death "justice" so I'm not sure how to respond to your poll, but Clemmens was definitely the shooter.

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seabeyond

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Tue Dec-01-09 11:29 AM
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7. correct. cant vote A cause of probably. bullshit. cant vote b cause killer took option of court

Edited on Tue Dec-01-09 11:30 AM by seabeyond

off the record by running

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bobburgster

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Tue Dec-01-09 11:33 AM
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9. Haven't seen the evidence, but I have no doubt they say they have it.

I still believe in innocent until proven guilty....... I know silly me.

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Donald Ian Rankin

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Tue Dec-01-09 11:37 AM
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12. What do you mean by "innocent until proven guilty"?

What I mean when I say it is "the state should not impose penalties on someone accused of a crime until they have been convicted, beyond those necessary to bring them to trial".

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gateley

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Tue Dec-01-09 11:39 AM
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13. Here's some evidence:

During the commission of the crime Clemmens was shot by one (or more?) of the 4 officers and wounded.

Police were told by those who were helping Clemmens escape that he had the gunshot wound.

When they got him he did indeed have the wound.

Don't know how he would have received a gunshot wound from one of the slain officer's guns unless he was the shooter. Do you?

Do you consider that evidence?

Look, I'm as suspicious of the police at times as anyone, but in this case people just need to read the facts and realize this was pretty much by the book and the police did nothing wrong.

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bobburgster

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Tue Dec-01-09 11:45 AM
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14. No, I do not disagree with you over his guilt...

I honestly had not had the time to follow it...that is what I meant about "not seeing the evidence". I admit, I am always suspicious of the police and their statements of fact. This situation seems to leave no doubt as to his guilt.

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gateley

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Tue Dec-01-09 08:26 PM
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18. Yeah, well this is one of the FEW times the person's guilt seems to be beyond

question. I'm usually suspicious, too.

Don 't know if you know, but it was one lone cop who shot him -- I think he acted as most of us would have in the same situation. I would have been scared to death, the only cop at 2 in the morning coming face to face with an armed person who had just killed 4 fellow officers. He said he told Clemmens to raise his hands but Clemmens started moving around the car (natch - what cop killer is going to surrender?).

Anyway, I think this case is one where the police are right and acted appropriately.

IMO, of course.

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bobburgster

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Wed Dec-02-09 03:44 PM
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21. Have to agree with you.

It certainly seems pretty straight forward even through my glazed lenses :)

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LatteLibertine

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Tue Dec-01-09 12:09 PM
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16. This was not a nice guy

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“I’ll kill all you bitches,” Maurice Clemmons told the Pierce County Jail workers who were trying to book him, according to court records.

It was May 9, 2009. Clemmons, 37, had been arrested after punching a sheriff’s deputy in the face. He was charged with multiple counts of third-degree assault and malicious mischief and later, second-degree child rape.

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lpbk2713

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Tue Dec-01-09 12:14 PM
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17. Third option needed in this poll.

This is a lame-ass poll

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MrSlayer

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Tue Dec-01-09 08:29 PM
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19. Justice served.

It would be nice if all the scum of the Earth went this way.

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applegrove

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Tue Dec-01-09 10:37 PM
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20. Policeman defending themself was just.

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