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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 12:21 PM
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Obama: I'll end don't-ask, don't-tell . . . that was a campaign promise too.
And all of a sudden everybody is being sold the bill of goods from corporate headquarters that Obama PROMISED to send these 50,000 troops into Afghanistan. And that we weren't "listening". Holy cannoli.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 12:23 PM
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1. A little hope and change for your holiday season Bluebear
Edited on Tue Dec-01-09 12:24 PM by Horse with no Name
the hope turned out to be "Hope nobody was listening too closely" and the change is the "cha-ching" in the pockets of the corporations.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 12:27 PM
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6. I guess "Hope nobody was listening too closely" didn't fit on the signs.
:silly:
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Neecy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 12:24 PM
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2. "My health insurance reform plan will not include a mandate"
Funny the promises that he actually follows through on...
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LooseWilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 12:48 PM
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23. Yeah, I really liked that promise.
"If they fuck up the reform they eventually come up with, at least I'll be able to continue to just not have any fucked up insurance..." I told myself.

Ahh well... under the bus with the independent contractors too... :hi:
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 12:25 PM
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3. It will end
Most likely by way of the 2011 fiscal year defense authorization bill, which has to pass.

Plans are already in the works.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 12:27 PM
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4. Did he give a specific date?
:shrug:
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 12:27 PM
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7. hahahahaha is this one of those "It's only been ONE YEAR" posts?
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FLAprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 12:28 PM
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8. I do believe so.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 12:29 PM
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9. I wish there was a bluedog underground where folks could go
where they might fit in with each other a little easier. Hell CU or FR is a better fit for them than THIS.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 12:31 PM
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12. What's wrong with that?
:shrug:
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 01:38 PM
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27. No, this is one of those looking for specific facts posts
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 12:27 PM
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5. Renegotiating NAFTA with fairer labor & environmental standards was too
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20080306/nafta_leak_080306?s_name=&no_ads=
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 12:30 PM
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10. If you did not hear him say he would embroil us in an endless occupation in Afghanistan then you
Edited on Tue Dec-01-09 12:30 PM by Vincardog
were not listening :crazy: :dunce:.
If you heard him promise to end DADT renegotiate NAFTA and not tax health care benefits
Then you are either
1) A hater
2) want a pony
3) expect him to do everything NOW
4) Don't understand the political realities of this complex world.

I say BS. Why the hell is not candidate OBAMA running our country?
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 12:30 PM
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11. Obama promises kept: 55 Broken 7
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises

I think he's doing quite well in the promises kept department.

And the plan is to repeal "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" next calendar year (2010).

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/promise/293/call-for-repeal-of-dont-ask-dont-tell-policy/
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 12:31 PM
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13. Wonderful, now it's a football score. What about those 7 broken promises?
Weren't we LISTENING?!?!?!
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 12:31 PM
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14. I don't know. We're you?
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 12:32 PM
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15. Go peddle your one-liners elsewhere.
:shrug:
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 12:34 PM
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16. Obama is up by 7 touchdowns
:D
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 12:41 PM
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17. Perhaps you shouldn't have included the link.
You boiled it down to:

Promises kept: 55
broken: 7

Link clickers will see:


* Promise Kept 55
* Compromise 14
* Promise Broken 7
* Stalled 17
* In the Works 163
* Not yet rated 259
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FLAprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 12:43 PM
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18. some of the "In the Works" promises are actually opposed by the administration
now....like FISA reform.
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 01:05 PM
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25. Yep. They aren't going to happen.
Edited on Tue Dec-01-09 01:06 PM by noamnety
1/4 way through his term, 10 percent of promises were kept so far. 90%, not so much.

I expect that rate to go down, not up, as we get closer to 2010 elections, and even more then as he gets closer to reelection.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 12:45 PM
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20. Obama looks even better when you look at that.
Edited on Tue Dec-01-09 12:45 PM by Renew Deal
232 of 515 promises kept, compromised, or in the works in less than a year. That's pretty amazing.
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 12:52 PM
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24. "In the works" doesn't mean squat.
DADT is probably considered by some to be "in the works" if there's a study going on.

And "compromised" could be good or awful. See the CEO bailout. You might consider that a promise kept. Me, not so much.

Well, actually, I take that back. I'm guessing he did promise that to someone.
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FLAprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 01:08 PM
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26. "in the works" could mean that some member of congress filed a bill
whoop de doo.
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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 01:54 PM
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28. Ridiculously disingenuous. (nt)
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 12:45 PM
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19. It has to go through Congress. Has either Armed Services committee held hearings yet?
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 12:46 PM
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21. Recommend
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 02:05 PM
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29. He promised 2 brigades: 6-10,000 more troops. He broke all his other promises, whiy not this one?
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 01:54 AM
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43. "at least two brigades"
That's what he actually said. Please get complete contexts of your quotes, kthxbai.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 02:11 PM
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30. All campaign promises are equal..
But some are more equal than others.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 02:46 PM
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31. Especially when it comes to corporatist warmongering.
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 12:20 AM
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32. Yea, I'm feeling punked what can I say
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1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 12:22 AM
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33. y'all get that dadt can never be overturned during a war, right?
ain't never going to happen...
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 01:04 AM
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36. Why not?
We need the troops now more than ever. :shrug:
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1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 01:27 AM
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37. because even though the vast majority here support that?
the vast majority in the military does not.

and that is why it will not change. not now. and not for the foreseeable future.

sorry to be the voice of what is. but it is what it is...
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 01:30 AM
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38. The military follows orders.
It's not their job to question orders. Or do you have some precedent for them doing so?
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1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 01:35 AM
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39. heh. and the military issues orders. that must be followed. show me this order...
this order will not be issued. therefore, this order will not be followed.

are you that blind?
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FarLeftFist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 12:24 AM
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34. DADT repeal will be part of the 2011 defense budget bill...
So I've heard somewhere.
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1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 01:01 AM
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35. no. it will not. you heard wrong. sorry...
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FarLeftFist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 01:41 AM
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40. Quick google search....
http://www.towleroad.com/2009/11/dont-ask-dont-tell-repeal-to-be-on-2011-defense-budget-bill.html
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1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 01:47 AM
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41. well, there you go. a "site with homosexual tendencies" must be considered sacrosanct...
of course.

why not.
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FarLeftFist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 01:57 AM
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44. First one that popped up. How about this one....
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4142039
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1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 02:04 AM
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45. and this one is the "washington blade". look bud, it isn't about what y'all think...
its about what the military thinks.

this is not the time to fuck with what the military thinks. we are in a war. or two.

dadt is the law of the land for the foreseeable future.

like that, don't like that, its just the way it is going to be...

deal with it.
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 01:53 AM
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42. Obama campaigned on concentrating on Afghanistan.
That wasn't just campaign rhetoric.

Unlike the DADT promise appears to have been so far.
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1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 02:47 AM
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46. bluey! i am so glad to see you back, my buddy! booyah!
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 02:54 AM
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47. In his defense, he did have to spend a lot of timing picking that dog.
And the beer summit.

And time for keeping the health insurance industry happy.

Apparently, the promise to send more troops to Afghanistan is the only one he's definitely going to make good on.
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