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Plaid Adder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 05:11 PM
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I guess there are some things that still need to be said.
I kind of gave up writing abotu the war after Bush exited. But I guess since Obama is now determined to plow millions of dollars and thousdands of lives into "finishing the job," there are still some things that need to be said:

This kind of job cannot be "finished." It can only be abandoned. A nation-state is not a muffin; there is no moment at which you can say that it is 'done' and take it out of the oven. Likewise you cannot destroy "al Qaeda;" you can only destroy that portion of al Qaeda that exists at a given moment in time. It, or something like it, will be back after you're gone. It may take 10 years or 20, but eventually, the backlash will come.

So I'm not sure what the thinking is on this. I'm not even sure how it makes sense politically. Are we just trying to prove, at this point, that we really, REALLY tried?

Bush was an ideologically blinded idiot being manipulated by people who thought they were smarter than he was but were often proved tragically wrong. I don't know WTH Obama's excuse is.

ah well. I guess we'll hear it tonight.

The Plaid Adder
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 05:13 PM
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1. Nice to see you posting again and you are spot on as always.
K&R
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 05:14 PM
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2. K&R
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 05:15 PM
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3. You reflect my thinking perfectly.
K&R

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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 05:15 PM
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4. I can understand you're needing to say this
but it's hardly as if it hasn't been said here several dozen times just in the last couple of days.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 05:19 PM
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10. so what? not like you've never said something said before.
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sailor65 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 05:16 PM
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5. Well said.......
definitely worth a rec.
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 05:16 PM
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6. Won't be million of dollars, it'll be Billions. Lots and lots of billions.
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n2doc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 05:24 PM
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15. And this is why it won't end until we are bankrupt
Too many greedy pigs making money off of death. They were slowed down briefly by the end of the cold war, but they've found their new forever war that can never be won.
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 05:31 PM
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16. Key word - Bankruptcy. OBL's goal will have been attained.
That is a very big word in this whole mix.
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 05:17 PM
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7. Beware the Obama version of the Bushies - who protect and defend Saint Barack
no matter what.

Promises made during the campaign were never intended to be kept.

He's doing all he can do.

(Insert excuse of choice here.)

I'm glad we have Obama vs. McCain (another defense..."...so you'd rather have McCain/Palin?" :eyes:) but I don't think he's everything he promised us he was going to be. Which makes him just another politician. But there's still time, I guess we'll see.

The war in Afghanistan is his, now. The blood of the dead will be on his hands now.
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polpilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 05:18 PM
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8. Obama will look 'serious', (Our resolve is strong bullshit) and will join Satan
& Co. He'll prove tonight that he won't work or committ to healthcare for the sick but will do the bidding of the war machine and the military industrial complex...and he'll be the brunt of the jokes at the single malt scotch toasting worldwide tonight. As he should be.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 05:18 PM
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9. Obama Has No Excuse
not even a Condoleeza.
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 05:20 PM
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11. +1
No excuse can justify prolonging the occupation.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 05:34 PM
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17. I dunno about that. He's got Rahm Emmanuel whispering in his ear.n/t
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unc70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 05:40 PM
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18. I think of Rahm in the context of The Coneheads
Doesn't change anything, just gives me a little chuckle after I am already really POed.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 07:42 PM
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19. I've Seen The Movie Twice, and I Don't Follow
Because I sincerely doubt that Rahm ever doubts himself and his actions.
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unc70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 08:10 PM
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20. Rahm sometimes reminds me Eli Turnbull
Not of any importance, just a personal chuckle.
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branders seine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 05:22 PM
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12. it's the powers that be
being the power
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 05:23 PM
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13. Why is it happening? We are moving from Shock Doctrine to Jock Doctrine that's why.
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bluesmail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 05:23 PM
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14. I myself am going to wait to hear what he has to say. EOM
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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 09:00 PM
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21. Here's hoping you'll post an after-speech analysis.
:hi:
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 11:15 PM
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22. Right on. rec. nt
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 12:32 AM
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23. Cui Bono?
As long as they continue to benefit, shall we see change? I doubt it.
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slay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 04:05 AM
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24. Yeah I heard it tonight alright
now i just need to clean the shit out of my ears. Your read on it is spot-on Plaid Adder - I am disgusted with Obama over this.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 05:56 AM
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25. His thinking is probably like that of LBJ--
--who escalated Vietnam because he didn't want to be attacked as "soft on defense."
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