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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 08:45 PM
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"Man is the only animal that deals in that atrocity of atrocities, War...
He is the only one that gathers his brethren about him and goes forth in cold blood and calm pulse to exterminate his kind. He is the only animal that for sordid wages will march out... and help to slaughter strangers of his own species who have done him no harm and with whom he has no quarrel.... And in the intervals between campaigns he washes the blood off his hands and works for 'the universal brotherhood of man' - with his mouth."

~Mark Twain
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 08:53 PM
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1. Ants wage war too.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 08:54 PM
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2. So do apes. nt
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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 08:55 PM
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3. What atrocities do apes commit?
Or ants for that matter?
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 08:57 PM
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5. male chimps often go into another troop's territory and murder isolated chimps.
And apparently have fun while doing it.
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 08:59 PM
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6. So, we really haven't evolved all that much
have we?
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 09:07 PM
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7. Nope.
It's often pointed out that it's not much different than human warfare.
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JonQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 09:42 PM
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10. We can dream of a world where all that is over and done with
Edited on Sat Dec-05-09 09:42 PM by JonQ
And possibly work towards it. No other species can make that claim.
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 01:43 PM
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14. Ants rape, pillage and burn villages
they often perform ritual sacrifices with ant infants.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 02:23 PM
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16. I don't know about atrocities but when we were quite young
us kids used to see if we could find a red ant mound and a black mound and take one to the other and the battle would be on. The black and red ants would kill each other until one or the other was all dead. I'd call that war.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 08:55 PM
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4. Actually, chimps do the same thing
Minus the "brotherhood" thing.
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LostInAnomie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 09:09 PM
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8. Lots of animals wage war.
Edited on Sat Dec-05-09 09:10 PM by LostInAnomie
Bees, wasps, ants, apes, etc. Depending on how you define it, most social animals wage some kind of war on other groups.

Are you just going around trying to dig up silly anti-war quotes from famous people?
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JonQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 09:12 PM
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9. Ants, wasps, termites
a variety of simians.

Quite likely neanderthals did as well.
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GreenStormCloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 10:50 PM
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11. Lions kill hyenas anytime the get a chance.
Often a pride of lions will face off with a pack of hyenas and the fight is on. Unless the hyenas outnumber the lions about 3 to 1, the lions win.

This two week long battle had the lions win by driving off the hyenas. Casualties were 35 dead hyenas, 6 dead lions. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/323422.stm
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juno jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-06-09 01:37 AM
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12. What Twain said.
Animals aside, we are the only ones capable of hypocrisy.

That's what he was getting at.
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SmileyRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-06-09 04:40 AM
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13. Are we sure Twain was correct?
I'm thinking Mark Twain would have had to be able to understand the language of all the other animals in order to know whether or not they condemn their neighbors for the same sins they themselves are committing. But since I can't even hear the ants, let alone know what they might be talking about, I really can say if they are capable of being hypocrites or not.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 01:51 PM
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15. And, we are the only animals who are conceited enough to believe we are the epitomy of evolution.
Not to mention thinking we are, in some way, valuable to the universe.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 02:31 PM
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17. I don't agree with Twain, other animal species wage war but Man has the least excuse
for doing so.

Thanks for the thread, rateyes.
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