Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

How many jobs would this create ?

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU
 
floridablue Donating Member (996 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-06-09 11:32 AM
Original message
How many jobs would this create ?
If the State Government jobs in Florida that Jebbie outsourced to foreign lands were brought back to Florida to be performed by Floridians, with the payroll flowing into Florida banks and businesses.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
abelenkpe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-06-09 11:43 AM
Response to Original message
1. Outsourcing is a stupid waste of money
resulting in less oversight of work done, reduced safety and wages for workers, reduced safety for consumers, but nice fat checks for crony capitalists.

The government should hire directly if it really wants to save money.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
FormerDittoHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-06-09 11:46 AM
Response to Reply #1
3. FYI: Social Security pays TRW $75/hr for computer programmers rather than hire their own...
>The government should hire directly if it really wants to save money.

A upper SSI administrator told me about the policy (that was during the Bush administration). Said adding new people to the payroll was 'verboten'
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-06-09 11:50 AM
Response to Reply #3
4. Main reason they don't want to put people on the payroll
is the cost of benefits long term. They're scared to death of retirement costs!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
geckosfeet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-06-09 12:15 PM
Response to Reply #4
6. Ahh - the use them then discard them policy. Consumerism at it's finest.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
HowHasItComeToThis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-06-09 01:18 PM
Response to Reply #3
8. PRIVATIZATION IS A DISEASE, EIGHT YEARS TO DESTROY U.S.
Edited on Sun Dec-06-09 01:19 PM by HowHasItComeToThis
PRIVATIZATION IS A DISEASE TRW, GE, BOEING, IBM, WE HAVE TOO MANY OVER-EDUCATED PENCIL-PUSHERS DEMANDING CONRACTS.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
csziggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-06-09 12:07 PM
Response to Reply #1
5. Yes, back when I worked for the State of Florida
The state was not required to pay the federal minimum wage. Most of the grunt work was done by Clerk Is, who did not earn minimum wage, and Clerk IIs who barely earned it. Then there were more levels of poorly paid state workers who stayed with the state for the meager but previously reliable benefits and positions. How can a private company which must pay at least minimum wage AND provide a profit for the owners or shareholders possibly provide the same services at the same level for less? The answer is - they cannot.

Here is another part of the Jeb outsourcing deal. He outsourced or stopped services that were fully paid for by fees. For instance, all condominiums in the state pay fees which are supposed to be used to administer oversight of condo associations and negotiations in case of a dispute between condo associations, and unit owners or renters. Jeb dismantled the state government bureau which handled that. Now, condo disputes must go to arbitration which is handled by a private for fee service. The state still collects their fees, but those fees no longer pay for condo dispute administration - they go into general funds.

There are plenty of other fees collected by the state that are no longer being used for the purpose that they were intended to pay for. And the services mandated by state law are not as good as they used to be or as easy for an average citizen to obtain.

Another facet of the Jeb Bush reign in Florida are the many contracts he obliged the state to for far longer than his time in office. Rather than most state offices being housed in state owned facilities, the state now has long term leases for expensive new buildings which are making fat profits for the building and land owners. Those outsourcing contracts are also long term commitments. And in the future, for short sighted politicians it will seem penny wise to continue those contracts rather than spend the money to rebuild entire state bureaus or new state owned buildings even though in the long run it would be cheaper for the state.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-06-09 11:44 AM
Response to Original message
2. How many jobs did he outsource?
How much does Florida pay for those jobs to be done in foreign countries?
How much would they need to pay Floridians to do those jobs.?

Personally, I think states and the U.S. Government should be banned from outsourcing jobs, or even purchasing foreign products.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
HowHasItComeToThis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-06-09 01:11 PM
Response to Original message
7. ANOTHER PRIVATIZATION BOONDOGGLE
THE BUSH'S ARE TOXIC TO AMERICA
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Wed May 01st 2024, 06:24 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC