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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-08-09 08:19 PM
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2000-2009: Warmest Decade on Record: BBC
Edited on Tue Dec-08-09 08:20 PM by amborin


"The first decade of this century is "by far" the warmest since instrumental records began, say the UK Met Office and World Meteorological Organization.

Their analyses also show that 2009 will almost certainly be the fifth warmest in the 160-year record.

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The US space agency Nasa suggests that a new global temperature record will be set "in the next one or two years".

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The WMO said global temperatures were 0.44C (0.79F) above the long-term average.

"We've seen above average temperatures in most continents, and only in North America were there conditions that were cooler than average," said WMO secretary-general Michel Jarraud."

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<http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8400905.stm>

"We are in a warming trend - we have no doubt about it."

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The WMO uses three temperature sets - one from the UK Met Office and the University of East Anglia's Climatic Research Unit (CRU), and two from the US, maintained by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (Noaa) and the space agency Nasa.

Asked whether the controversy surrounding e-mails hacked from CRU could have any bearing on the results, Mr Jarraud replied that all three datasets showed the same result.

Vicky Pope from the UK Met Office made the same point: "The datasets are all independent, and they all show warming
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Viking12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-08-09 08:39 PM
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1. but, but, but...(insert standard RW denial here)
K & R
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-08-09 08:42 PM
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2. Kicked and recommended.
Thanks for the thread, amborin.
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-08-09 08:43 PM
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3. thanks for kicking it! (and for recommending it!)
Edited on Tue Dec-08-09 08:44 PM by amborin
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-08-09 08:43 PM
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4. Bolding your last two sentences.
"Asked whether the controversy surrounding e-mails hacked from CRU could have any bearing on the results, Mr Jarraud replied that all three datasets showed the same result.

Vicky Pope from the UK Met Office made the same point: "The datasets are all independent, and they all show warming."

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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-08-09 08:44 PM
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5. i wish the deniers could grasp this point!
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-08-09 08:55 PM
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9. It's easier not to grasp that point.
In some cases there is comfort in denial as this is such a huge emotional, forbidding prospect for people/humanity/society to accept and changing is difficult and I believe with others, it's just a cold blooded, cynical and mercenary denial.

I believe the second group of people believe they will survive regardless, this can be controlled and that humanity needs culling. I believe they're wrong on all counts.
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-08-09 09:03 PM
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12. yes!
plus, the second group is in part funding much of the dis-information, etc.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-08-09 08:46 PM
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6. It's obvious the BBC is in collusion with the scientists.
;)

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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-08-09 08:47 PM
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7. LOL!
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-08-09 08:49 PM
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8. 160 out of 4 billion years (give or take) - is this the warmest ever?
Are there any other trends where it has warmed up (like, before humans) or cooled down in drastic (if you will) ways? And if so, could we have (or will we) be able to stop those changes?

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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-08-09 08:55 PM
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10. some answers here:
"350 parts per million is what many scientists, climate experts, and progressive national governments are now saying is the safe upper limit for CO2 in our atmosphere.

Accelerating arctic warming and other early climate impacts have led scientists to conclude that we are already above the safe zone at our current 390ppm, and that unless we are able to rapidly return to 350 ppm this century, we risk reaching tipping points and irreversible impacts such as the melting of the Greenland ice sheet and major methane releases from increased permafrost melt.

There are three numbers you need to really understand global warming, 275, 390, and 350.

For all of human history until about 200 years ago, our atmosphere contained 275 parts per million of carbon dioxide. Parts per million is simply a way of measuring the concentration of different gases, and means the ratio of the number of carbon dioxide molecules to all of the molecules in the atmosphere. 275 ppm CO2 is a useful amount—without some CO2 and other greenhouse gases that trap heat in our atmosphere, our planet would be too cold for humans to inhabit...."

<http://www.350.org/about/science>
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-08-09 08:59 PM
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11. One thing is pretty much for sure, out of those 4 billion years, only approximately 200 of them
have contained the dynamic of the Industrial Age with all it's environmental implications.



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notesdev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-08-09 09:05 PM
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13. If you "adjust" the data enough
it's whatever the hell you want it to be.
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tkmorris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-08-09 09:15 PM
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14. And I'm sure you'll get right on that
Let us know when you are done adjusting the data to suit your agenda.
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Viking12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-08-09 09:16 PM
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15. Denier trolls don't bother with data. They just repeat RW headlines.
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