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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 12:34 PM Original message |
Injured 550-lb man, unable to afford health care, dies waiting for a 'Job miracle' |
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fujiyama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 12:38 PM Response to Original message |
1. Wow talk about all bad American stereotypes rolled into one |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 01:15 PM Response to Reply #1 |
21. and yet it sort of proves Darwin's theory too.. |
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winyanstaz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 01:28 PM Response to Reply #21 |
30. free clinics do not exist in all parts of America.. |
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undeterred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 01:54 PM Response to Reply #21 |
43. I am so sick and tired of these "Darwin" posts. |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 01:58 PM Response to Reply #43 |
49. feel free to not click on them , then.. and please don't get sick.. it's dangerous in the US |
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Zoeisright (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 02:02 PM Response to Reply #43 |
52. +1 |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 03:29 PM Response to Reply #52 |
107. I'll 2nd that. And damned hard to get effective treatment for even with health insurance nt |
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Bertha Venation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 05:14 PM Response to Reply #52 |
129. "Judging is for assholes." Damn right. n/t |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 02:10 PM Response to Reply #43 |
58. +2 |
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Canuckistanian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 06:58 PM Response to Reply #43 |
133. It does point out two major problems in society |
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metalbot (234 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 02:30 PM Response to Reply #21 |
76. Almost no free clinic would treat an ACL injury |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 02:51 PM Response to Reply #76 |
87. How could he lose 200 pounds when he has a torn ACL? |
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Book Lover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 12:38 PM Response to Original message |
2. Or, Man Becomes Delusional After Rejection From Doctor's Office |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 01:04 PM Response to Reply #2 |
9. It was a torn ACL that kept him immobile |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 01:08 PM Response to Reply #9 |
15. Interesting observation. Death by Bible. |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 03:34 PM Response to Reply #15 |
110. After Death Sentence By Poverty |
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Lance_Boyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 03:50 PM Response to Reply #110 |
117. Not so sure on that - see post 81 |
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enid602 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 12:40 PM Response to Original message |
3. wow |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 12:53 PM Response to Original message |
4. Damn! That's a crazy story. nt |
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TheCowsCameHome (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 12:54 PM Response to Original message |
5. And where were the right wing nuts that sell this stuff to these poor folks? |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 01:01 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. 'The lord god almighty helps those who help themselves.' |
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TheCowsCameHome (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 02:17 PM Response to Reply #6 |
66. Yeah. And bootstraps - don't forget about the bootstraps. |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 02:55 PM Response to Reply #6 |
89. interestingly, not scriptural (I know you did not claim it was) |
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dustbunnie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 01:03 PM Response to Original message |
7. Well, since he died 300 pounds heavier dead than when he went into the recliner |
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marshall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 01:53 PM Response to Reply #7 |
42. That recliner has got to be nasty! |
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sinkingfeeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 02:00 PM Response to Reply #42 |
50. It was. From the full story... |
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Systematic Chaos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 01:04 PM Response to Original message |
8. I could write a novel in response to this post, but I think I'll just bookmark the thread... |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 01:05 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. I'm seeing it as a sort of opera |
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Systematic Chaos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 01:06 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. Care to clarify? |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 01:11 PM Response to Reply #12 |
19. See mainer below |
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mainer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 01:08 PM Response to Reply #10 |
14. oh man, you're making the creative wheels turn. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 01:06 PM Response to Original message |
11. I'm not sure if this speaks out against or for our health care system. |
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mainer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 01:07 PM Response to Original message |
13. He was an operative nightmare. And no wonder he tore his ACL. |
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Lex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 01:12 PM Response to Reply #13 |
20. he thought |
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Lex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 01:09 PM Response to Original message |
16. Belief in a Magic Sky Being can be harmful or fatal if swallowed. nt |
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dwnorman (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 01:09 PM Response to Original message |
17. Nothing to do with "American health care at the very roots" |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 01:18 PM Response to Reply #17 |
24. This guy was as much in need of quality health care as the next guy |
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mrbarber (884 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 01:29 PM Response to Reply #24 |
31. Self-delete |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 01:31 PM Response to Reply #24 |
33. He was not forced into that choice |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 01:34 PM Response to Reply #33 |
34. You're just making my point for me. |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 03:31 PM Response to Reply #34 |
108. +1 nt |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 01:19 PM Response to Reply #34 |
135. I'm European. |
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UpInArms (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 01:22 PM Response to Reply #17 |
28. nasty visualization going on here - |
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Contrary1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 01:23 PM Response to Reply #17 |
29. They were gonna give him an appointment, but they wanted $300 up front, and we didn't have the money |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 01:45 PM Response to Reply #29 |
37. The kind of health system god himself would have created. |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 01:29 PM Response to Reply #17 |
32. Actually, it does. For many of the very reasons you point out. |
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sinkingfeeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 02:09 PM Response to Reply #17 |
57. While you might be on the wrong site, this man died because of his insane belief that Jesus was |
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tosh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 02:27 PM Response to Reply #57 |
72. Very well stated. Thank you. nt. |
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misanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 03:09 PM Response to Reply #17 |
96. "Like a restaurant?" Yes. "Like a college?" No... |
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Ms. Toad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 03:24 PM Response to Reply #17 |
103. Medicaid is NOT generally available for males |
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Marr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 01:09 PM Response to Original message |
18. Am I to understand the man was sitting in his own filth for eight months? |
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Stevenmarc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 01:18 PM Response to Original message |
22. "If I feel anything right now, it's envy for him because I wish he had taken me with him," |
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mikelgb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 01:18 PM Response to Original message |
23. sorry to be blunt but, where did he shit? |
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dustbunnie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 01:19 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. On himself. She had to hand clean him. |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 01:21 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. Same as the 800 lb gorilla--wherever he wanted. |
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Lance_Boyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 01:21 PM Response to Reply #23 |
27. same place he urinated - where he sat. |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 01:37 PM Response to Original message |
35. I'm Speechless |
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FarCenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 01:43 PM Response to Original message |
36. At 550 to 800 pounds fixing his ACL would not have worked |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 01:47 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. So the story ended the only way it could end? |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 01:51 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. No, he could have gotten up his fat crazy ass and taken care of himself. |
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Lex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 01:55 PM Response to Reply #40 |
45. Your ignorance about mental illness is staggering. nt |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 03:20 PM Response to Reply #45 |
100. Ah, the Bill Frist school of psychic diagnoses. |
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Lex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 03:27 PM Response to Reply #100 |
106. Mr. Frist, you said "he could have gotten up his fat crazy ass . . . " nt |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 03:33 PM Response to Reply #106 |
109. Yeah, but I'm using "crazy" as a perjorative. |
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Lex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 03:41 PM Response to Reply #109 |
112. I should've figured it was just name-calling by you. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 03:43 PM Response to Reply #112 |
113. Didn't you just call me staggeringly ignorant? |
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Lex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 03:45 PM Response to Reply #113 |
114. Name-calling mentally ill people isn't staggeringly ignorant? |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 03:47 PM Response to Reply #114 |
115. Just because they're mentally ill doesn't mean they're not dicks. |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 06:47 PM Response to Reply #115 |
132. I suppose it was merely a matter of time. |
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LiberalAndProud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 05:16 PM Response to Reply #45 |
130. Religious zealotry is a mental illness? |
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Lex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 06:30 PM Response to Reply #130 |
131. Yes it is when you think the Magic Sky Being is going to rescue you. nt |
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LiberalAndProud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 07:11 PM Response to Reply #131 |
134. He's not alone. I've met many people who testify to the healing power of God. |
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Obamanaut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 04:05 PM Response to Reply #40 |
120. Ooh, I wish I had said that. +1 n/t |
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mainer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 01:51 PM Response to Reply #36 |
39. Agreed. No doc would want to operate on him. |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 01:54 PM Response to Reply #39 |
44. No doctors in America. |
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mainer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 01:57 PM Response to Reply #44 |
47. No, it's fear of killing the patient that would stop them |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 02:02 PM Response to Reply #47 |
51. You treat a condition, if you're a good doctor. |
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mainer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 02:13 PM Response to Reply #51 |
62. Where were the social service agencies? Why are doctors being blamed? |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 02:18 PM Response to Reply #62 |
67. Because he went to a doctor and the doctors sent him away for lack of money. |
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dustbunnie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 02:22 PM Response to Reply #67 |
70. The original articles at the time said he was seen at a hospital. |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 02:28 PM Response to Reply #70 |
74. Doctors can transport their considerably less heavy asses can't they? |
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mainer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 02:49 PM Response to Reply #74 |
86. Um -- because a doctor has other patients to see? |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 02:52 PM Response to Reply #86 |
88. How was it possible in days when there was considerably less technology than now? |
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mainer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 03:02 PM Response to Reply #88 |
93. And in the old days, they bled patients, too. |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 03:13 PM Response to Reply #93 |
97. This man needed a lot of care. |
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dustbunnie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 02:58 PM Response to Reply #74 |
90. A house call wouldn't have helped would it? |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 03:02 PM Response to Reply #90 |
92. Why all these excuses for the American health care system? |
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dustbunnie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 03:17 PM Response to Reply #92 |
99. I'm not making excuses for the American health care system. It sucks. |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 03:23 PM Response to Reply #99 |
101. I remind you that this man did ask for help and was turned away. |
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dustbunnie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 03:39 PM Response to Reply #101 |
111. In this case, the issue was the transportation, not the help. |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 04:17 PM Response to Reply #111 |
123. What would have happened if this came to light? Would Canadians shrug their shoulders |
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dustbunnie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 04:46 PM Response to Reply #123 |
126. The reactions would be similar I think. |
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metalbot (234 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 02:48 PM Response to Reply #67 |
84. If they wanted $300 up front, then they were specialists |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 04:34 PM Response to Reply #84 |
124. You make good points. But this country's HC system also fails the mentally ill. |
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Lance_Boyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 02:33 PM Response to Reply #51 |
78. when treating is more dangerous than not treating, a good doc does not treat |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 02:35 PM Response to Reply #78 |
79. On that view, what does a good doc do in this case? Stick his thumb up his ass? |
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Marr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 03:52 PM Response to Reply #79 |
119. A good Doctor would tell the patient to lose weight so he could |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 04:14 PM Response to Reply #119 |
121. I'm not blaming doctors, I'm blaming the system that failed this man. |
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Marr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 03:48 PM Response to Reply #51 |
116. Part of treating the condition is having the patient lose weight prior |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 04:16 PM Response to Reply #116 |
122. Exactly. It's a whole condition, not just a torn ligament. |
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Lone_Star_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 01:52 PM Response to Original message |
41. Poor, uneducated man killed by food and religion. |
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Tailormyst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 01:58 PM Response to Reply #41 |
48. Not just food and religion |
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Lone_Star_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 02:12 PM Response to Reply #48 |
60. Welcome to DU! |
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Tailormyst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 02:23 PM Response to Reply #60 |
71. Thank you Lone Star! |
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Tailormyst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 01:57 PM Response to Original message |
46. He needed medical help and then mental health help, poor man. |
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Adsos Letter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 02:02 PM Response to Reply #46 |
53. Just guessing here, but it could be that he would have considered "reaching out" |
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Tailormyst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 02:21 PM Response to Reply #53 |
68. Yup- hence the mental health issue. |
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FarCenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 02:05 PM Response to Reply #46 |
54. She helped him achieve his goal -- to be with the Lord |
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Tailormyst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 02:22 PM Response to Reply #54 |
69. I have to wonder |
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FarCenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 02:32 PM Response to Reply #69 |
77. For more quotes from the wife --- |
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Tailormyst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 03:24 PM Response to Reply #77 |
102. I think she is in need of mental health intervention also. |
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mitchum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 02:05 PM Response to Original message |
55. Further proof that magical thinking isn't thinking at all |
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The Midway Rebel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 02:08 PM Response to Original message |
56. This type of thing happens all the time. |
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TrogL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 02:12 PM Response to Original message |
59. Reminds me of a joke |
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beyond cynical (150 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 02:12 PM Response to Original message |
61. Lack of health care didn't kill this man, irresponsible eating habits did him in. |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 02:16 PM Response to Reply #61 |
63. Join the club of Americans with health care myopia. |
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FarCenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 02:16 PM Response to Original message |
64. A relative of mine died from complications of obesity |
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FarCenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 02:47 PM Response to Reply #64 |
83. PS -- Note that in this case, both people had health insurance |
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KamaAina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 02:16 PM Response to Original message |
65. Oh dear. God never healed Job. |
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mitchum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 02:27 PM Response to Reply #65 |
73. Bible-thumpers DON'T read the Bible...they have their preachers/grifters... |
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dugaresa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 02:29 PM Response to Reply #65 |
75. perhaps "bible thumping" means the sound the bible makes as it hits their heads repeatedly? |
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csziggy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 03:27 PM Response to Reply #75 |
137. Exactly - just like this |
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mdmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 02:38 PM Response to Original message |
80. God has welcomed him home |
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Spider Jerusalem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 02:43 PM Response to Original message |
81. Nice to see that people have their priorities in order. |
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dugaresa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 02:45 PM Response to Original message |
82. this situation is the result of two mentally ill people |
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FarCenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 02:49 PM Response to Reply #82 |
85. They would most likely have both resisted any attempts to help |
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The Midway Rebel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 03:26 PM Response to Reply #85 |
105. Are you suggesting this as a reason not to offer? n/t |
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FarCenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 05:09 PM Response to Reply #105 |
128. They lived in a trailer park |
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ismnotwasm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 03:01 PM Response to Original message |
91. I thought Job was pissed |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 03:02 PM Response to Original message |
94. As a fat religious person, he deserved to die. |
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yawnmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 03:02 PM Response to Original message |
95. much more going on here than lack of health care and a torn acl... |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 03:15 PM Response to Original message |
98. Poverty and ignorance is what killed this man. |
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misanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 03:25 PM Response to Original message |
104. I tore an ACL that was never repaired... |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 03:52 PM Response to Original message |
118. He should have started praying to lose weight a few years earlier |
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mainer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 04:35 PM Response to Original message |
125. Wow. He had to have gained a pound A DAY for eight months! |
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FarCenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 04:59 PM Response to Reply #125 |
127. A significant fraction of the 250 pound gain could have been impacted fecal matter |
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136. I imagine that not only how we treat... |
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