I believe the Medicare Expansion has been the plan all along.. it's giving Obama a big hammer...

2009 - Medicare expansion to 'buy in' at 55, without subsidies

very early 2010 - "It is a clear and present crisis that health care change must happen faster, therefore I have just signed an executive order that bring forward the date of subsidies for Medicare for those 55 to 64 to NOW. This order is in effect until the end of my presidency or congress provides the proper legislation."

1st quarter 2010 - "The expansion of Medicare to those 55-64 has been a resounding success, costs are down, the overhead costs of Medicare have remained at 1-1.5%, showing that the buy-in's are really paying for themselves, therefore give the success of this expandion of the program, we will take the experiment further. I have just signed an executive order that expands the buy in for those 45-64. This order is in effect until the end of my presidency or congress provides the proper legislation."

2nd quarter 2010 - "The insurance industry has not moved fast enough to meet the challenges of health care costs, therefore the 'trigger' in the bill passed in 2009 will come into effect. Given the overwhelming success and satisfaction by THE PEOPLE of the expanded Medicare system, the 'trigger' will be the opening of ANY American of ANY age to buy into the Medicare system, the most effective medical plan that has ever been. In addition, by executive order, we will cover 100% of the costs of this program for those age birth to 18. No one is required to participate in this program, Insurance companies can still sell their own plans or gap coverage if you want them. Today we have finally met the promise FDR started. This order is in effect until the end of my presidency or congress provides the proper legislation. God Bless America."

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:smoke: No, really, I CAN'T !

I hope it works. The bait was cutting Medicare Advantage and getting the pukes to defend Medicare.

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See i can argue too.

But it'll never happen because at every step of that process Obama will have to seek the "bi-partisan" soulution and give Lieberfuck a cookie.

Single payer like we want.

I'd like to see an executive order create HCR all by itself. But people here advised me that when they affect the budget, they can't use them.

Just asking.

Exec orders can only effect established federal agencies and their policies

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But to your point - I like it! Even if it's just to change a new category of eligibility for Medicare created by new legislation. Then Obama can use Executive Order to tweak. I believe we would have quite a bit of leverage.

.. the legislation had already lowered the age of eligibility, this would just keep lowering it.

So what did they charge you for that bridge you bought? The nice one in Brooklyn?

But I think that it may be part of a stratagy to be in a good position to enact that. If so, my guess is that it has only been the plan since the r's and conservadems have shown themselves unwilling to act in good faith and the admin has finally gotten sick of them. If so I'll be glad to see all tghe crocodille tears they shed over medicare turn around and bite them in the ass...

On another thread, someone said that Dennis Kucinich said that Medicare would cost $400 per person per month!

Who can afford THAT?

That's $800 for a couple. Per Month!

And aren't you suggesting Government by Executive Order? I have a problem with that.

65, so if this goes through the employer will drop that coverage and them I will pay $400. Thanks for nothing.

Especially after listening to Weiner since the beginning.

Everything is a fucking plan. Or an excuse. LMAO.

Really? :rofl: The government is going to:

expand medicare to ages 55+
implement the expansion
observe the cost flucuations
determine the outcome of the expansion

...all in a few months (1st quarter 2010). That's about the most asinine thing I've read on the internet today.
My guess is it would take about 6-12 months before people in the expanded age bracket ever start using medicare.

I don't think people realize... even if solid HCR (of any kind) does pass in this country it'll likely take 2 or more years before everyone starts recieving real-world benefits. Healthcare is not a light switch, no matter how eloquent you wish the authors bill were.

Who can afford that in this economy? Who is that going to help?

a lot more of the past 10 years than I have.

can do that. Think of the lovely bill everyone else will be mandated to pay for regular private health insurance. I guarantee it will be more than $400.

will run them another couple hundred...
and then there's the cost of part D, if they want prescription coverage.

dental and/or vison aren't covered either.