for everyone that 'hates' or is 'heartbroken' about obama, what do you expect for 2010 and 2012?

just curious...who do you see as a potential dem or republican or progressive candidate than can get you where you wanted to be?

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and Ron is a complete nut. They both talk and criticize and tell us what they would do and they would be facing the same obstacles as President Obama.

The military,Republicons/aka fake dems will do there damndest to continue war. I want us to get out of these wars but,I know that they can't be pulled out in one month it will never be that simple with these hawksandliars.

The President knows it and now that he is the Pres he can't give us every detail because so many things have been marked as TOP SECRET by the former adm. These people were putting up roadblocks all during the campaigns in every are while they were shredding documents.

Now,I want to see who will vote against funding so that we can really see where the liars stand. Everytime bush,asked for more billions there was no problem for war. Now ask the same thing for us about OUR MONEY...

and perhaps they are correct. How about someone like the former Governor of Washington State Gary Locke? He is currently us commerce secretary and would be an excellent Presidential candidate IMO. However, I doubt he would run against Obama.

And slightly less sizeable losses in 2012.

Obama squeaks out reelection mostly due to a particularly bloody Republican primary.

I voted for a strong public option and employee free choice.

2012 - obama landslide, pick-up of 5 house seats and loss of 2 senate seats

you can take it to the bank

more than what I am getting right now.

bloodbath now? i dont think the country's best aspects would survive an outburst of the best armed and the most powerful.

things don't change.

but I think the losses in 2010 could rival those of 1994..

i always supported obama knowing that the investment in progressive power needed long term success in elections to actually get anything done. i think this is base on realistic expectations given how conservative the country has been since the 1980's. maybe im wrong. maybe this is a deeply right wing country.

control right now with no problems for both 2010 and 2012 if he had just done a few things that he should have done; ie: Held Bush Administration (scumbags) accountable. Ended the wars in both Iraq and Afghanistan ASAP (that means no surge). Appointed a better person to head up finances in the US. Basically saying that he needed to make; "Change you can count on". It would not have been that difficult to have accomplished.

the congress itself has demonstrated that they do not want to hold bushco accountable. No way could Obama have changed that dynamic. Had he done everything you suggest, the outcome would have been a Congress v Obama. You seem to have little recollection (maybe you're too young) of Carter's travails with Congress.

With all due respect to Jimmy Carter who is a fine human being, he was not a leader. The President has the bully pulpit Obama had a huge wellspring of support. He could have accomplished a great deal, instead we almost have Carter redux.

I can barely tell the difference anymore between a republican and democrat politician. What's the point, there is no "change".

dem party and the gop party but the WE party as in WE THE PEOPLE..... as long as we are divided the easier we are conquered.

This President is so much better than than the last one we are overjoyed.

seems like the disappointed outweigh the realists. personally, i am not disappointed yet, and i think obama's true success/failure depends on who gets elected eight years from now. presumably as someone more progressive, as a brdige from the bush years to somewhere better.

very powerful corporate and military interests. This will take time.

maintaining the status quo of the Bush administration. It's not like he has any power, it's not like he is President or something!

I like Obama, and think we are better of with him than we were under eight years of the asshole, but there are many things I feel Obama isn't progressive enough on. I will support any Democrat over any Republican though!

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I do not approve of the escalation. But the context of the president's decision making process is on a completely different level. A polar opposite, if I may say so.

I don't know what is really happening. More troops seems wrong. But even under Bush many of us were ok with Afghanistan.

I'm not surprised, but I want war to end.

Obama will probably see a second term. Just a hunch.

Can that meme PLEASE be retired already?

And people do have the right to be heartbroken about some things that have happened.

For now, we'd all be happy if the president just STOPPED doing the things we have problems with.

Sheesh, the man hasn't even been in office a year yet. It took Bush/Cheney eight years to screw up this country; it's going to take a long time to fix it.

He is doing some things I disapprove of(Afghanistan, for one) but considering the alternative(McCain and the Alaskan bimbo) I am very relieved Obama is President!

That meme needs to be given a rest, too.

during the campaign. If they expected something else, well then, they're faulting the man for not being a liar.

Obama said all along he might send more troops to Afghanistan. So why all the surprise? :shrug: I don't get it.

upthread re "losses in 2010"

For a "constitutional scholar," he certainly has a weak grasp of the Constitution if he thinks he is not obligated to bring war criminals to justice; he swore to uphold the law.
In addition, the only "community" I've seen him "organize" has been the community of bankers, Wall St. con artists and swindlers, big pharmacy, and big health "insurance."
So, yeah, I was "paying attention," and I didn't get the "Change" I voted for.

I listened to what Obama said.

He promised action on the environment. He called for untrashing the Constitution. He denounced torture. He promised a revised tax system with tax breaks for lower income people and rolling back the Bush tax cuts on the rich. He promised to get us out of Iraq promptly.

All lies.

He had to triage the problems. His triage is different than people here think is prudent....

So he's hated, and a disappointment and a failure.

Disgusting.

Anyone thinking he is going to sit on his hands for the next three years is not paying attention.

When the health care bill gets signed, when the coming jobs bill is up and running, when the Afghan conflict is stalemated...and that should happen next year, The Taliban will show they are willing to call it off like the North Vietnamese did with Nixon, then the war will wind down. That's what this troop surge is really about.

Then we get 'peace with honor', and then he gets time to attack the social issues and stuff like the legal problems that Cheney et al has coming....

And FWIW, that's why cheney is calling O a traitor - so he can claim that his coming prosecution is based in political revenge.

But Obama hasn't done things in the order that the uberleft wants, so he's just another bush, and a DLC/corporate/RW stooge....blah de bla bla bla....

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Cause I LIKE it.

I thought mom told you to go to your room.

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Main Street is not stupid/blinded any more...they know GOPism is LOLOism

This time we want to shoot off our whole foot.

suffering a broken heart.

I detested the language of hate used by Republicans/Conservatives/the Right while W was President. It was grotesquely inaccurate and designed to belittle opponents rather than address their concerns about policy. I find the use of the term "hate" equally disgusting from Democrats/Liberals/Progressives/the Left.

2010: Republicans will take some seats back. How many they take will depend on two things; whether they can calm the civil war in their ranks and allow more Centrist Republicans to run; the state of the economy that appears to be improving but could descend in a double dip recession (which will lead to Republican victories).

2012: Obama will run and win. Kucinich will not attempt to oppose Obama, a sitting Democratic President, in a Primary fight. If he does, then he is worth less than a bucket of warm Republican spit. If the field continues as it appears to be, with Palin forcing everyone to run to her right, Obama will win in a landslide.

nor am I heartbroken. But it is time he realizes he cannot placate the playground bully. He needs to stand up and knock the shit out of the Republicans and drag Congress kicking and screaming to action.

i do expect some action on doma and dadt before 2012 or we may have some trouble. but i'm never going to vote repub or repub by proxy (green)

I've never agreed with him, never supported him, and don't like his administration. The closest I've come to "hate" is his education agenda, which, as an educator, I take personally.

Still, I don't hate him, and he hasn't "broken" my heart. I lay the fault at the door of those who nominated him, myself. Primarily those who participated in the first 2 caucuses and primaries that narrowed the field down to two unacceptable choices.

My senators are decent, if not perfect. My house rep? I'll support any non-republican challenger at this point. If he were a centrist dem, I'd be looking to replace him, but my district isn't likely to elect anything but a republican conservative.

2012? There are plenty of good left-of-center Democrats that I'd be happy with. I hope there is at least one who will offer a primary challenge, at least to send a message. As for the GE? I've never voted R, and won't start in this lifetime. At this point, though, I don't see myself casting a vote for Obama, either.