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TomCADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-12-09 11:16 PM
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NY Times Editorial - "Can We Afford It (Health Care Reform)?"
A nice, pretty balanced, discussion of the current health care reform proposals:



Republican critics have a fiercely argued list of reasons to oppose health care reform. One that is resonating is that the nation cannot afford in tough economic times to add a new trillion-dollar health care entitlement.

We understand why Americans may be skittish, but the argument is at best disingenuous and at worst a flat misrepresentation. Over the next two decades, the pending bills would actually reduce deficits by a small amount and reforms in how medical care is delivered and paid for — begun now on a small scale — could significantly reduce future deficits. Here is a closer look at the benefits and costs of health care reform:

STATUS QUO IS UNSUSTAINABLE More than 46 million Americans have no insurance, and millions more have such poor coverage that a severe illness threatens bankruptcy. Small employers are dropping coverage because of the cost. Those lucky enough to have insurance are struggling with higher premiums and co-payments, and worry that if they are laid off they could lose coverage.

Without reform, that bad situation will only get worse. The Commonwealth Fund, a respected research organization, warned that the average premium for family coverage in employer-sponsored policies would almost double in the coming decade, from about $12,300 in 2008 to $23,800 in 2020, with part paid by workers and part by employers. Premiums are also soaring for individuals who buy their own coverage directly.

BUT A TRILLION DOLLARS? Both the House and Senate bills would cover more than 30 million of the uninsured, and fully pay for it — in part by raising taxes (either on wealthy Americans or high-premium health plans and certain manufacturers and insurers) and in part by cutting payments to health care providers and private plans that serve Medicare patients.

A trillion dollars is still a lot of money, but it needs to be put in some perspective. Extending Bush-era tax cuts for the wealthy would very likely cost $4 trillion over the next decade. And the Medicare prescription drug benefit, passed by a Republican-dominated Congress, is expected to cost at least $700 billion over the next decade. Unlike this health care reform, it became law with no offsetting cuts and very little provision to pay for it.

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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-12-09 11:24 PM
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1. I wonder if there's ever been a study of how insuring so many
of the uninsured would effect the hospital costs, & the insurance costs? I KNOW the cost of the uninsured always going to the ER is extremely high and insureances all add a % to their premiums to cover them too. I think the savings will be much higher than projected!
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 03:02 PM
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9. I think I have seen such studies. If there is the PNHP website probably has
it archived on their website.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-12-09 11:26 PM
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2. If we can pay for war then we can pay for health
health costs have been too expensive in the past. Time to force costs down. The cost of CT scans, medicine, support stocking etc is highly inflated.
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cutlassmama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 03:47 AM
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3. the main issue isn't how much medical tests costs, it's how much big
insurance companies are putting in their pockets (profit).
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 01:46 PM
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6. it is a very significant issue
notice how much hospitals will charge you if you don't have insurance. The ENT specialist here charges $400 per visit. He spends no longer than 10 minutes.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 04:21 AM
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4. Yes, we could
Unfortunately, the current bills under consideration, as far as I can see, haven't much in the way of reducing the costs of hospital care, diagnostics, or medication. The insurance companies are a murderous, greedy bunch but the rest of the players in for-profit health care have blood on their hands, too.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 01:43 PM
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5. hospital systems and doctors clinics charge way too much!
also medical appliances - $100 for support stockings is outrageous! Paying for stiches is like paying for 'gold bars.'

most medical systems are in it for profit. Health should NOT be for profit.
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WeCanWorkItOut Donating Member (182 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 02:53 PM
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7. Premiums will still rise rapidly after reform. We can do better than what's offered now
They are not doing much to cope with medical inflation,
not even honestly discussing the issues.
(Although I did like the pieces the NYT did on
the overuse of CT scans.)
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 02:54 PM
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8. "can we afford it ( War )?"
funny how that question is never raised
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