The Sunday Morning Republican Propaganda talk shows are in full swing

Shouldn't the assholes who watch those shows be in CHURCH!?!?!? I thought they were bible-thumping Jesus freaks. Do their churches have flat screen TVs all over the walls like a sports bar? Do they serve beer? Those sound like a great "gotcha" - "You watched (whatever stupid show)? So you WEREN'T in church!!!"

Have not been back since.

They should have their tax-exempt status revoked.

churches are hipocrits!i went to a church in my town for help with heat and they told me to go to the state. the state already helps me. how come the church wont?

..they could help even more people with heat.

i'm learning alot and meeting some great ppl!

The wealthiest business in the world, and one that is SUPPOSED to be based on the teachings of Christ, can't support two small churches with low membership? Fuck the Vatican.

to "social hygiene," in the context of suggesting there were better uses of one's time than listening to news analysis on networks whose analysts are de facto paid for not being "too" analytical.

In more recent years FOX News in particular has served to destroy analysis altogether. It is no longer revelatory but remains entirely true that they are a factory of lies spewing GOP propaganda 24-7 across the public air waves.

Sunday mornings given to walking the dog and listening to Duke Ellington, Emmylou Harris, or Nick Drake beats the hell out of tuning in to the Sunday news chat shows.

Sunday mornings are good for reading the paper, working the crossword puzzle, sipping a hot cocoa or tea (I don't drink coffee) and listening to HoB on the radio. The yak fests are so right wing it's hard to watch. So why not lower the blood pressure and just relax on Sunday mornings?

and now - shrimp tacos and lobster bisque. all superior to liars in suites on the teevee.

It's absolutely amazing how many callers actually voiced their support for Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin.

When a population considers presidential material to be a goof-ball talk show host and a beauty queen who is unable to read a newspaper....

... you know this country is IN BIG TROUBLE....

.. you'd find the same Oligarchy that controls all of Washington. As long as they can lay the blame off on the DEMS and Liberals... no one is looking at the Banksters as the real evil.

Had he done more of that, they'd be seeing results that contradicted the right wing dogma about government being so very evil. Their government would already be helping them very clearly, opening up Medicare and putting them back to work on the deferred maintenance the Bush Gang left us with, as well as the green jobs we were all talking about.

Had his team used the moral imperative of the financial meltdown and said, you know, the taxpayers have just bailed out the financial sector after many have lost a lot of their own financial security, the least we can do for our people suffering high unemployment and personal losses is provide them with national health security. Freedom from the terror of medical bankruptcy when they're already being evicted from their homes in record numbers. It is an ethical foundation our economic competitors have given their citizens for decades. We will open up Medicare to all who want it. Private insurers are very smart. They will find ways to supplement the basic medical security financed by all taxpayers.

Had his team said, you know, the way we have waged the war on terror has been all wrong. The brutal wars in Afghanistan and Iraq have dragged on for longer than WWII, and they were perpetrated by the Bush Team that broke the Geneva Conventions. They also engaged in intensive war profiteering, giving private no-bid contracts to their friends and former employers that cost us much more money than doing those things in-house. We're going to disengage from both of those wars as quickly as we can. We don't want to be associated with the wars of those who broke the Geneva Conventions. We don't want our country to be associated with breaking those covenants which also protect our own troops from mistreatment. We need to prosecute all the officials who participated in breaking the Geneva Conventions because our country did that in the Nuremberg trials. We need to prosecute the war profiteers and analyze whether military privatization has really been more economical and practical than doing those things in house.

We can keep our country safe and strong much more efficiently and ethically than the Bush Gang did. We can use our great military and intelligence agencies more nimbly, and we know seduction is more powerful in the long term. If we build schools, hospitals and infrastructure, or provide the funding for those countries to do that for themselves, we will win far more hearts and minds than we have with brutal bombing. We have our troops around the world, lots of weapons available to us, and various intelligence agencies to inform us about the latest activities of the world's terrorist groups. We want to work more closely with our allies to defeat terrorist networks around the globe with less "collateral damage" than we've had so far, because we know that collateral damage not only includes accidental murder but also an increase in terrorists among the friends and family of those killed in the brutal accidents of war.

Furthermore, our massive green jobs program will help us with our long-term military strength, too. We will be less beholden to dwindling supplies of oil around the world.

The millions of jobs restoring our infrastructure, allowed to crumble to finance the heavily privatized wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and tax cuts for the richest Americans, will help every state function more smoothly and safely. Our people will have productive work and spend that money locally, which will improve the small business economy that has been decimated in the rush to serve the interests of the financial sector.

We would also be doubling the public education budget, improving our existing schools with the innovative techniques we've seen at a few charter schools. We'd be incorporating those techniques and equipment into our public schools so each of our citizens has the chance to learn to compete in the global marketplace.

I listened to the progressive populist speeches during the campaign with great hope. You don't have to be a super liberal to promote Medicare for all, green jobs and smarter warfare. They are practical solutions to deep national crises. They save money, make us more secure as a nation, and improve our economic competitiveness. Rebalancing our economy to revive the middle class helps our country succeed in the long-term, and wins international hearts and minds far more successfully than brutal bombing.

Sigh... There were so many reasons the Democratic majority could have gone all FDR on us, and they chickened out. We had a late-1920's style economic meltdown, so we could so easily have promoted FDR style solutions for the 21st century. We could have walked in to Copenhagen with our green jobs program already underway.

Yes, I keep hoping more FDR stuff is coming. But I get very sad because if there had ever been a time for the Democratic party to bail out its people with Medicare for all who want it, 2009 provided an excellent, deeply moral rationale. It would have been justifiable to immediately rescind the Bush Gang tax cut for the richest 5% to finance that bailout too.

Thank you for your thoughtful reply.

with my ardent dreams for my new president.

Not sure how we get on to 21st Century FDR from here.

Is remember the Talk Shows, News Shows and Newspapers on the run up to the Iraq War??

On ever show, in every paper there would be an interview or article where a member of the Bush administration or GOP congressperson would repeat the same talking points about Saddam and WMD.

They created a narrative so powerful that it was nearly impossible for oppostion voices to be heard.

On the other hand here we have Health Care, something that is way more "premptive" than any war and the only unified message we are hearing is from the GOP and Lieberman.

Obama had such an ability to control the message during election stuff like Rev Wright was just passed by but his semi hands off approach to advocating health care and the Senate's inability to speak with one voice on the issue is such stark contrast. In one Bush despite the facts convinced a nation to go to war despite evidence AT THE TIME that showed that it would turn out like it did and on the other Obama is losing the public on an issue that could save us thousands of dollars and lives in the long run.

Just makes me sick.

..it was as if a fax went out from Karl Rove each morning with the talking points.

You could almost set your watch by it... Rush, O'Reilly, CNN, NBC, Faux,.

The talking points were EXACT, note-for-note on each news outlets with no room for discussion.

"You are either with us or against us"

"You go to war with the Army you have.. not the Army you wished you had"

"You must catapult the propaganda"

"We're fighting them over there so we don't have to fight them here"

he's on with governor granholm. too bad she's on remotely or she could reach over and whack the old bastard a good one.

Alan Greenspan, Jim Cramer, Jennifer Granholm and Mitt fuckin Romney talking about the economy??? Seriously???

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hardly allowed Jennifer Granholm to speak at all. Incredibly one sided. And NBC is the "liberal" channel, or so the GOP says.

No one there to refute it and say these are the policies, instituted over 30 years, which got us here to begin with.

NBC was so completely Reich Wing as to be laughable. It was just plain sickening.

have the gonads to even question the lies they spew. IF ONCE just ONCE they would ask a real question and accept a real answer instead of a beat around the bush we might learn something.

They feed the question to the lies and cut off anyone who is counteractive to their agenda.

the opportunities they have on a regular basis. This is a post I made on another thread while watching Christina Romer on MTP this morning. Gregory, in a rare moment, threw her 2 questions just gift wrapped for Democratic messaging and she sidestepped them. Here's my report on what I witnessed: '

reposted from this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=7216684&mesg_id=7216684

Christina Romer is on Meet the Press. David Gregory just asked her if the original stimulus had been the 1.2 trillion figure mentioned in the beginning, would it have worked better. She totally blew it with an answer like "we got the best stimulus we could get through Congress." She passed up an opportunity to say a bigger stimulus would have resulted in faster results and, more importantly, she missed an opportunity to point out that the make up of the Senate made it impossible to get the type of stimulus we needed passed. Why would she not have pointed out that it was the necessity to bring 3 Republicans on board to break the filibuster which required whittling the stimulus bill back to a less effective level. I would totally have reminded Gregory of that and then said, "What we passed was better than doing nothing but, due to the makeup of the Senate, we were unable to get the package which would have produced a better result."

Then he starts talking about deficit reduction and asks her if taxes will have to go up. She repeats the Republican talking point that raising taxes in a recession is a bad idea. What the hell would have been wrong with, "The tax cut Bush passed which benefited CEO's and the very wealthy was the first step in creating this deficit. President Obama said, during the campaign, that he would be raising taxes on those making over $250,000 per year. We still think that is necessary to restore fairness to the tax system. And he promised he will not raise taxes on anyone making less than that. Empowering the middle and working classes financially will be one of the most effective vehicles to turning the economy around, decreasing unemployment and bringing the deficit down."

Why do we demur at every turn to tell the American people the truth?

Watering down of the necessary steps to begin restoration of some of the wealth to the bottom 90% of the population and ineffective messaging of our positions is driving down our chances in 2010.