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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 05:27 PM
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When did our public servants become our masters?
the '80's?

How did they pull it off?
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 05:29 PM
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1. Yes I remember well how Nixon was a servant of the people
:crazy:
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 06:05 PM
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8. And Nixon was ran out of office.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 05:29 PM
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2. It's been going on since the beginning
to greater and lesser degrees, perhaps, but it's always been there.
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rubberducky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 05:31 PM
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3. When corporations took over the USA, thus owning polititians with corp. money and power.
Edited on Sun Dec-13-09 05:35 PM by rubberducky
This way the corps. get to decide what is "best" for us. Most of the time,of couse, any laws that are passed for our "benefit", fatten the bottom line.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 05:36 PM
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4. In a mature society, "civil servant" is semantically equal to "civil master."
-Heinlein

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Robert_A._Heinlein

It's been quite a while, Heinlein died in 1988..

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DavidDvorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 05:40 PM
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5. The day the Constitution went into effect
And the only thing that happened then was that a new structure replaced the old one.
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Goldstein1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 06:03 PM
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6. It depends on how we define "them" and "us"
It's an old story. Read...

"The Theory and Practice of Oligarchical Collectivism" by Emmanuel Goldstein (Found in "1984" - George Orwell)

and "A People's History of the United States" - Howard Zinn

and "A People's History of the World" - Chris Harman

and "Open Veins of Latin America" - Eduardo Galeano

and "The Shock Doctrine" Naomi Klein
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 06:08 PM
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9. Year 501, Chomsky
Don't forget that one.
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Goldstein1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 06:17 PM
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14. I can't believe I forgot Chomsky
I don't mean to overuse the proletariat and bourgeois thing, but what we are really experiencing is nothing more complicated than class struggle. Everything else is derivative.
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 06:42 PM
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16. I like Zinn the best.
And for a guy like me, London always really put it in words I can relate to and understand. Chomsky I always have to read two or three times before I get what he's talking about.
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Goldstein1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 07:16 PM
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23. Chomsky tends to ramble on a bit...
Edited on Sun Dec-13-09 07:16 PM by Goldstein1984
but I still always recommend Zinn for history.

Naomi Klein did a great job of explaining disaster capitalism in "The Shock Doctrine."

I forgot to mention "Stripping Bare the Body: Politics, Violence, War" - Mark Danner
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 06:05 PM
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7. When Corporations became people.
It all traces back to that.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 06:09 PM
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10. They aren't our masters. They are middle management for our real masters
The top 1% are our masters.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 07:02 PM
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22. that makes THEM "private servants"! GREAT POINT.
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lib2DaBone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 06:12 PM
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11. November 22, 1963
That was the day that the back-room-boys took over. The rest is history.
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 06:15 PM
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12. The Convergence of many forces starting in the Reagan Administration
Actually it was easily pulled off. Here are a few of the forces
coming together.

1. The Rise of the Conservative Movement. Conservatives, in their
very nature are authoritarian. "like to be led". rank and file
are not questioning of authority by nature. Rather they are
more suspicious of those who are quick to quesion authority.
Order is most important. The Republican Party had been "wandering
lost in the desert for years." Conservatives developed serious
Think Tanks. Every Conservative who could, it seemed wrote
one book after another praising and building up Conservatism.
Republicans made an organized and successful effort to lay a
heavy guilt trip on Liberals most especially the Media,Television
in particular. By making the Media feel guilty over ignoring
and not taking Conservatives seriously enough, the Republicans
made lasting in roads. Knowing the value of Republicans appearing
on Television as often as possible, they trained their Candidates
their Members of Congress. Walk, talk with confidence. Make
people believe you know what you are talking about. People will
follow the self-assured person who seems to believe in something
and has something to say. The rise of Hate Radio sealed things.

That gives you an introduction. Most of you, I assume can add
to what I have said.

2. Messaging: Repeat anything over and over enough times and
the Public will believe it --even a lie.

3. Kill Liberalism. Demean, belittle, emphasize the negative.
Repeat over and over even lies and the Public will believe.
Instead of fighting back and defending themselves,
the Liberals assisted the GOP by calling themselves
Progessives. Now the GOP jokes about Progressives.

The Conservative Wing of Democratic Party joined Reagan
in his FREE MARKET CHANGES. Putting the Free Market in Charge
of our Country has led to the Meltdown today. Our own
party is right there so far. "The Market will solve
problems. Obama has tried to change this somewhat but
his advisors are DLC Conservatives. Think of all the
deregulation all the way to Bush--even Clinton. Free Market
Principles--Let the Market work its will. In other word
Business Men have the power. "The Invisible Hand" will
solve all problems.


It took both parties but the rise of the Conservative Movement
was most influential.






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lib2DaBone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 06:38 PM
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15. Well said.. very well researched...
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 06:17 PM
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13. If you're talking about the Congress, they were always members of the
privileged class, for the most part.
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WonderGrunion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 06:44 PM
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17. Back in 1776. Wealthy landowners wrote our constitution.
They've controlled government ever since.
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spoony Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 06:46 PM
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20. Precisely. nt
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DavidDvorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 08:28 PM
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25. Strictly speaking
Edited on Sun Dec-13-09 08:29 PM by DavidDvorkin
it was in the next decade (when the Constitution was written).
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pansypoo53219 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 06:46 PM
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18. when bizness
campaign bribery bought them.
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Libertas1776 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 06:46 PM
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19. Oh, I'd say...
January 20, 1981...around noonish.
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varelse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 06:47 PM
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21. When was the news media consolidated into the hands of a few megacorporations?
coincidence?
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 07:18 PM
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24. When they decided to create a Republic in Philly
Way back when.

Ask Madison. He's explain it all.
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 09:55 PM
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26. When they decided to sell their services to the highest bidder.
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