The way the health-care bill is shaping up now, I won't be surprised if Republicans support it.

If progressives move away to kill the bill, don't be surprised to see the GOP jump in now that nearly 25% of the Trillion Bill will be going directly to health "care" corporations.

It might turn out to be the "bi-partisan" bill Obama asked for in the very beginning.

Blue Dog Democrats, Corporate Whoring Democrats and a sprinkling of Republicans and they get over 60 votes to prevent a filibuster.

The Left is triangulated and Obama gets to look like he is a "middle of the road" President.

This has turned out to be a very wicked, cynical thing done to the American people.

And we should be angry.

We were played...all year long...like violins.

Obama is going to get the bill that he wanted all along to sign.

Happy Holidays.

They would vote against a cure for cancer if it was Democrats' idea.

the Republicans will point at the bill and remind them that they didn't support it (they won't remind the public that they don't support any reform).

If this thing turns out to be a piece of crap, the republicans will use the fact that not one of them voted for it to beat Obama and the Dems over the head with it for the next three years. Even if it turns out well the liberal media will join the republicans in portraying it as a CF.

Why should they vote for it? They win either way.

Because there's no official "R" pimping it.

I am sure they are overjoyed about the number of people here at DU who now oppose the bill.

It's obvious that Charlie is the Left.

The jaded question is who is Lucy?

That way they can say "It's the Democrats who are forcing us to spend $800 billion we don't have on health care!" while sane people recall that this is nothing but a bunch of taxpayer-funded subsides to private firms buttressed by mandates that those who aren't poor enough to get subsidies pay out of pocket.

It's a huge lose-lose for us and a giant win-win for Republicans if they can make it look like they had nothing to do with it. They're essentially handing us an anchor.

This is the correct answer. Heads they win, tails we lose. They get a good issue to run on because the bill will harm the average person, and the added benefit of knowing that it helps their core constituency (i.e., insurance corporations).

powerful and wealthy industries they are in the business of buying politicians. Direct your anger at the people who caused this mess not those trying to fix it.

The insurance companies really want this bill. It will pass. They would prefer for the Democrats to have to take full responsibility for it (because it sux and the American people are going to hate it), but if enough Democrats don't support it, the insurance companies, I suspect, will pull the strings of their Republican puppets to insure that this bill passes.

I hope I am wrong about this. I hope the bill goes down in flames, but I am certain that the insurance companies really want this legislation to become law. I mean, what business wouldn't want 40+ million people compelled to purchase their products under penalty of law?

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-Laelth

You have fun creating your scenarios though - it'd be a hoot if you actually believed them yourself.

But you, darling, just might be.

Nothing.

Democrats passing a Republican (in essense) bill, and Republicans gaining populist points for NOT voting for this monstrosity of a pro-corporatist, anti-workers legislation??

It's a win-win for them.


:banghead:


fucking disgusting.

"still too deeply flawed for me..."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7231961

dems put forth.