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nemo137 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 05:24 PM
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The Strategic Value of Nihilism
From Scott Lemieux over at LGM:
Is the bill better than the status quo? It quite clearly is. And not just in a purely symbolic way, like the 1957 Civil Rights Act, but in a way that provides real, tangible benefits. So the only reason to oppose the bill is if you think that abandoning this bill would lead to a better one. Alas, it would be understating the case considerably to say that this is implausible. Lieberman, Nelson, Lincoln et al. aren't suddenly going to become progressives. Congress will almost certainly be less progressive, not more, after the 2010 midterms.


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I think that Scott is right. This bill is better than nothing, and there is a vanishingly small chance that we'll get a better bill in the next congress.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 05:31 PM
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1. Is the bill better than the status quo? Not with a mandate...
...but without cost controls and competition.
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nemo137 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 05:32 PM
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2. he posts two links supporting his argument.
Naturally, this is up for debate, but I tend to agree that any measure of subsidies and price controls is better than none.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 05:40 PM
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4. I see this as a sell-out to the industry, just as the war escalation is a sell-out to the mic...
It's not change I can believe in.
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SIMPLYB1980 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 05:38 PM
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3. K&R
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 06:43 PM
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5. I think Scott is wrong.
Change will come, eventually, UNLESS we pass this disastrous bill.

California will probably pass single-payer on its own in 2011. All they need is a Democratic Governor. The legislature has already passed the bill. Schwarzenegger vetoed it. Once California has single-payer, most (if not all) states will follow suit.

It's likely that if we pass a new law now, the new law will preempt single-payer, i.e. the Federal law will preempt state law and prevent states from enacting a single-payer system.

THIS is what the health insurance companies fear. THIS is what brought them to the bargaining table. THIS is why they are not fighting Obama's tepid reforms, and THIS is why it is extremely important that we do not pass any health insurance reform bill this year.

Let's not settle for a bail-out of the health insurance industry. Let's insist on the eradication of it. In all likelihood, California will lead the way in 2011 ... if we can just give them time.

Canada got its single-payer system one province at a time. That seems to be the way it will have to happen in the U.S.

:dem:

-Laelth
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nemo137 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 07:04 PM
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6. Does this new law pre-empt state single-payer?
I thought there was a provision that already allowed that, and I wasn't aware this bill undid that. Do you have a link?
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 07:08 PM
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7. The Kucinich Amendment would have allowed states to enact single-payer.
It was stripped from the House version by Nancy Pelosi (who acted, most likely, under direct orders from the President).

Here's one link. There are more.

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=7490">Democracy Under Assault: Pelosi Bill Strips Right of States to Adopt Single-Payer Health Care

:dem:

-Laelth
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nemo137 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 07:36 PM
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9. Thank you. I will read that.
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Edweird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 07:28 PM
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8. This is worse than nothing. It's a disgrace.
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