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TalkingDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 01:40 PM
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Researchers discover unknown body system. Declare it a potential cause for extra sensory perception
http://wp.me/pAw0L-8z
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This news story focuses an article, published December 15th, that details how researchers have made an interesting discovery, turning years of scientific and medical dogma on its head.

“In the article, researchers at Albany Medical College, the University of Liverpool and Cambridge University report that the human body has an entirely unique and separate sensory system…”

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For years, these poor people have been hounded by established science; a system that has been known to close ranks and stifle dissent among its own. The scientists and medical professionals who suggested possible theories supporting the claimants were labeled quacks and frauds. Meaning, if you believed the “crazies”, you risked your career, because you were obviously crazy too. If you wanted to keep your job, you toed the party line.

And perpetuating the abuse: misguided unquestioning followers of scientific dogma, who insist that because science hasn’t proven it, or in their parlance: developed a consistently testable theory, it can’t possibly exist.

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Comment amusant.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 01:43 PM
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1. oh for pete's sake....
As a scientist, my duty is to do whatever I can to suppress the truth in this article. :rofl:
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 01:48 PM
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2. The OP linked to the blog and not the actual article.
Edited on Thu Dec-17-09 01:49 PM by Occulus
The actual article can be found here and is much more interesting than the "Green Goddess Love" blog post.

Here's a good snip:

The answer appeared to be in the presence of sensory nerve endings on the small blood vessels and sweat glands embedded in the skin. "For many years, my colleagues and I have detected different types of nerve endings on tiny blood vessels and sweat glands, which we assumed were simply regulating blood flow and sweating. We didn't think they could contribute to conscious sensation. However, while all the other sensory endings were missing in this unusual skin, the blood vessels and sweat glands still had the normal types of nerve endings. Apparently, these unique individuals are able to 'feel things' through these remaining nerve endings," said Dr. Rice. "What we learned from these unusual individuals is that there's another level of sensory feedback that can give us conscious tactile information. Problems with these nerve endings may contribute to mysterious pain conditions such as migraine headaches and fibromyalgia, the sources of which are still unknown, making them very difficult to treat."
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Lance_Boyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 01:59 PM
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3. Quite a leap from that to the Randi-challenge-ready 'source of ESP' headline, innit?
I sense an aura of nutjobbery around the "Green Goddess Love" thing.

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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 02:07 PM
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9. Yeah, while I'm usually loath to shoot the messenger
This quack site should have provided a few links to support this article.

If they had any.
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TalkingDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 02:33 PM
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13. the link is IN the post. n/t
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 02:38 PM
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15. And says something completely different from what your site does
It's not extrasensory perception. It's an additional perceptive system for heat, cold and pain. If you've ever had an IV inserted, you already know that system exists.
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TalkingDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 02:43 PM
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17. A: Not my site.
B: Read the headline literally. Extra Sensory Perception. Not Extrasensory Perception. As in: people with fybromyalgia perceive EXTRA pain.

It's a freakin' pun. And if you need me to, I can explain what that is.



And we complain about that other site having thick-headed people......
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-18-09 04:04 AM
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22. bwahahaha. thank you talkingdog. you made my night. :)
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TalkingDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 02:39 PM
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16. bless your heart (as we say in the south) n/t
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 02:01 PM
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4. yeah, I'd already seen the original article...
...I just thought the comments in the OP were a bit ludicrous.
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 02:07 PM
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8. Oh, for sure
This, as a "cause" of ESP? :rofl:
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 02:46 PM
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18. Thanks for that. Sounds like "By the pricking of my thumbs, something wicked this way comes." nt
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Birthmark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 02:02 PM
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5. And I thank you for it, mike!
Without the commitment of you and those like you gambling would be completely uninteresting. And don't even get me started on what would happen to fantasy football. ;)
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 02:05 PM
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7. LOL....
:rofl: :hi:
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Birthmark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 02:04 PM
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6. Dupe. Mods please delete. Thanks.
Edited on Thu Dec-17-09 02:05 PM by Birthmark
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TalkingDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 02:31 PM
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12. Yeah, some people completely miss the point of snark.
Edited on Thu Dec-17-09 02:32 PM by TalkingDog
And along the same lines... I just read an article that includes a good bit on the high correlation between hyper-rationality and excessive religiosity (ie fundamentalism/jihadist)http://www.nuff.ox.ac.uk/users/gambetta/Engineers%20of%20Jihad.pdf

It's as if, somehow, their need for structured realities makes flexible, nuanced thinking painful....

from: http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn18301-five-laws-of-human-nature.html?full=true


And for you other folks... reading the whole post and the link from the post can be quite helpful and enlightening.... (do I actually need a sarcasm thingy here?)
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 02:28 PM
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10. "If you can't measure it, it doesn't exist"
Been banging my head against that wall for years.
Interesting article, can you please link to the site of the actual article.
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TalkingDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 02:38 PM
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14. At the Green Goddess love site: The link can be found in:
the text that is colored differently and reads:"news story". The 2nd and 3rd words in the opening sentence.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 02:31 PM
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11. how could something be a potential cause for something that doesn't exist...?
:shrug:
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 02:48 PM
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19. I knew you were going to type that
:evilgrin:
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GaYellowDawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 02:49 PM
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20. Oh, what a load of shit.
The blog made completely unwarranted assumptions about a poor writeup of legitimate scientific research.

1. Nothing about the original article "turned years of scientific and medical dogma on its head." Seriously. Did you even read the original article?

2. No one mentioned ESP until the stupid blog did. Just another example of a woo site making shit up.

3. The writeup was a poor one. This wasn't a completely new and separate system. From the abstract of the real paper: "Our findings suggest three hypotheses: (1) that development or maintenance of sensory innervation to cutaneous vasculature and sweat glands may be under separate genetic control from that of all other cutaneous sensory innervation, (2) the latter innervation is preferentially vulnerable to some environmental factor, and (3) vascular and sweat gland afferents may contribute to conscious cutaneous perception." Cutaneous innervation = touch. It's not a completely new and separate sensory system.

This is a great example of someone making crazy bullshit from real science. Next thing you know, there will be 1,000 woo blogs linking to that blog as PROOF! THAT ESP EXISTS! and that the SCIENTIFIC CABAL IS DISCREDITED PERMANENTLY!
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TalkingDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 03:04 PM
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21. where does it mention ESP?
But agreed, the unthinking will make assumptions regardless of the truth staring them in the face.
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