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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 10:34 AM Original message |
I knew we were lost, when ONE word changed. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 10:35 AM Response to Original message |
1. But it IS insurance reform, how you get actual care would not change. nt |
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enlightenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 10:38 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Well, you're absolutely right there, Captain Hilts. |
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jtrockville (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 10:40 AM Response to Reply #1 |
6. That's the problem. Right now, insurance companies dictate care. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 10:43 AM Response to Reply #6 |
9. Yep. That's got to change. Getting rid of ins. cos. anti-trust exemption is KEY. |
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jtrockville (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 10:46 AM Response to Reply #9 |
14. More than just anti-trust exemption. Get rid of INSURANCE COMPANIES. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 10:53 AM Response to Reply #14 |
24. The Prez said they play an important role. I'm not sure what that role is other than |
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jtrockville (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 11:09 AM Response to Reply #24 |
33. They're nothing more than a MIDDLE MAN. A hugely profitable one. |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 11:28 PM Response to Reply #33 |
57. Their "product" is invisible. |
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varelse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 11:31 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. Their product is the deaths of hundreds of innocent people |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-20-09 12:13 AM Response to Reply #58 |
60. Obama & The Democrat's "Uniquely American Solution" : |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-20-09 05:33 PM Response to Reply #60 |
69. Upside-down generosity..bah-humbug |
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change_notfinetuning (750 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-20-09 12:42 AM Response to Reply #57 |
61. Thought you were talking about Wall St. for a second. Wall St. does produce |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-20-09 10:27 AM Response to Reply #57 |
68. It's like a bank giving you $70 for that $100 check you cash |
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pleah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-20-09 12:01 AM Response to Reply #14 |
59. Abso-fucking-lutely! |
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Hepburn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 10:47 AM Response to Reply #6 |
16. I have said this over and over to people who are against govt running health care: |
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superduperfarleft (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 10:49 AM Response to Reply #16 |
18. So you prefer nationalized health care to a Canadian-style single-payer system? n/t |
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Hepburn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 08:34 PM Response to Reply #18 |
55. That is not the point.... |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 10:52 AM Response to Reply #16 |
23. It's a real no-shitter, isn't it? Or, rather, it should be. nt |
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jtrockville (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 11:12 AM Response to Reply #16 |
38. Doctors in developed countries don't seem to have such constraints. |
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tonysam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 11:16 AM Response to Reply #1 |
40. Exactly. Playing semantic games doesn't change the fact |
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tonysam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 11:16 AM Response to Reply #1 |
41. Exactly. Playing semantic games doesn't change the fact |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 11:19 AM Response to Reply #41 |
43. They changed the semantics and the facts at the same time. |
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Orsino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 08:38 PM Response to Reply #43 |
56. Yes. They're trying to pretend it isn't about our lives. |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 12:01 PM Response to Reply #1 |
53. +1 |
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KarenS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 10:37 AM Response to Original message |
2. I hear what you're saying, mine heart fell when that word changed. n/t |
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superduperfarleft (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 10:39 AM Response to Original message |
4. Oh jesus christ.... |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 10:42 AM Response to Reply #4 |
7. So you admit the reason it was called "health CARE reform" in the beginning was to gull the gullible |
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superduperfarleft (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 10:44 AM Response to Reply #7 |
10. It was called health care reform by the same people, |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 10:44 AM Response to Reply #4 |
11. BINGO. nt |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 10:45 AM Response to Reply #4 |
13. No, I think SoCalDem's point is absolutely valid. |
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superduperfarleft (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 10:47 AM Response to Reply #13 |
15. Nationalizing hospitals, like is done in the UK, would be CARE reform. |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 10:54 AM Response to Reply #15 |
25. It doesn't matter what the niggling little literal meaning of the words is. |
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superduperfarleft (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 10:57 AM Response to Reply #25 |
27. You may have a point there, and you're not an idiot. |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 11:07 AM Response to Reply #27 |
31. "...tombstoned lunatic who posted low-information OPs like this one ..." gee thanks |
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superduperfarleft (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 11:31 AM Response to Reply #31 |
48. I meant to direct "low-information" towards you, not the lunatic part. |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 11:33 AM Response to Reply #48 |
49. left-handed "apology" , semi-accepted |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 11:08 AM Response to Reply #27 |
32. I hear what you're saying, and you obviously have a point. |
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superduperfarleft (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 11:35 AM Response to Reply #32 |
50. Don't get me wrong, I think care reform is needed as well. |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-20-09 03:52 AM Response to Reply #27 |
64. You know not of whom you speak. nt |
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maglatinavi (614 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 11:00 AM Response to Reply #13 |
29. change |
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DefenseLawyer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 10:52 AM Response to Reply #4 |
22. You are both right. |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 11:21 AM Response to Reply #4 |
45. It's all insurance, just a matter of who funds it. You are right. We were |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 10:39 AM Response to Original message |
5. yes, and it's "reform" along the lines of the so-called "Consumer Protection Act" |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 10:43 AM Response to Original message |
8. Did you read any of Obama's proposals? |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 10:50 AM Response to Reply #8 |
20. Personally, I have fantastic coverage through a union plan |
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superduperfarleft (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 10:51 AM Response to Reply #20 |
21. What you're talking about is insurance reform. n/t |
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maglatinavi (614 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 11:10 AM Response to Reply #8 |
35. O proposals |
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Hepburn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 10:44 AM Response to Original message |
12. This is NOT the change I voted for.... |
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daleanime (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 10:48 AM Response to Original message |
17. Damn straight.... |
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Vinca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 10:49 AM Response to Original message |
19. You're exactly right. Big difference between "care" and "insurance." |
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GreenEyedLefty (708 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 10:57 AM Response to Original message |
26. I knew which word you meant before I opened the thread. |
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AndyA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 10:58 AM Response to Original message |
28. Until the system is changed, nothing will really change. |
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branders seine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 11:04 AM Response to Original message |
30. I guess Obama the progressive-sounding candidate |
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pissedoff01 (163 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 11:09 AM Response to Original message |
34. Real Title is 'Insurance Industry Profit Enhancement and Protection Act of 2009' |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 11:10 AM Response to Reply #34 |
36. a la "Clear Skies" & "Healthy Forests" |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 11:11 AM Response to Reply #34 |
37. And THAT kicks in immediately. |
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pissedoff01 (163 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 11:12 AM Response to Reply #37 |
39. Thanks! |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-20-09 03:58 AM Response to Reply #34 |
66. similar to the commodities and futures modernization act that brought us credit default swaps |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 11:19 AM Response to Original message |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 11:21 AM Response to Reply #42 |
44. Merry Christmas to you too:) |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 11:24 AM Response to Original message |
46. That one word moved the entire focus of the debate from universal coverage. |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 11:29 AM Response to Reply #46 |
47. Young people would be wise to evaluate their job options |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 11:53 AM Response to Reply #47 |
51. Some societies value their elders for their wisdom and love. |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 11:59 AM Response to Reply #51 |
52. It's ironic, isn't it? |
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Gregorian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 12:36 PM Response to Original message |
54. It's exactly how it works. Brilliant find. |
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Triana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-20-09 12:56 AM Response to Original message |
62. Yep - that's about the time I figured it had all gone South |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-20-09 10:26 AM Response to Reply #62 |
67. once most of the Boomers have croaked, there will probably be another chance |
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undeterred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-20-09 01:15 AM Response to Original message |
63. We don't need no stinkin' insurance. |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-20-09 03:56 AM Response to Original message |
65. Americans need health care, not health insurance. |
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