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howard112211 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 03:40 PM
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If you are still confused about Afghanistan, consider Obama's handling of the health care reform
and extrapolate.

I find that an often useful approach: If I'm not sure how to evaluate someones position on one issue
because I either lack the basic knowledge or don't have access to all the facts, I look at how this person stands on other issues.

Often the same kind of motivation drives a person's actions in different areas. Also, often people will apply the same type of logic to different issues. Take Sarah Palin for instance: Since I know that she thinks the world is 6000 years old, I think I can safely say that her stance on climate or economy is probably bullshit too, even though I'm neither an economist nor a meteorologist. She rejects the scientific method in one area. It is reasonable to assume that she will do the same in other areas.

Obama gave us an eloquent speech on how the war in Afghanistan is necessary because we are facing an evil enemy that will not negotiate and is comparable to Hitler. The problem is: No one can really backcheck this statement. He probably has access to alot of information that is not publicly available. Public knowledge of Al Quaeda, the Taliban etc. is most likely not nearly up to date and does not accurately reflect the actual situation. "All things are in motion" as one says.

However: We do know how Obama handled, for instance, the health-care reform. We see how he caved to people like Joe Liebermann. I find it reasonable to assume that, given the specialized knowledge he may or may not have about Afghanistan, it is likely that he will follow the same approach of striking a compromise with the right-wing that will lead to a much-less-than-ideal outcome and is driven more by American corporate interest than by "defeating an evil enemy".
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targetpractice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 03:53 PM
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1. So far his process seems prone to the pitfalls of groupthink...
Edited on Sat Dec-19-09 03:57 PM by targetpractice
... at least as far as health care reform goes.

Design by committee usually leads to mediocre results.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 03:55 PM
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2. he ran on escalating afghanistan....duh
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 03:57 PM
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5. Which was the deal breaker for me. I believed him.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 03:56 PM
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3. In both cases, FUBAR seems to be the operative strategy, coupled with excuses.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 03:57 PM
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4. Why do people keep calling it caving?
why should Lieberdick just do what Obama tells him to do? Or anyone else for that matter?
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 04:09 PM
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6. I hope you didn't vote for him!
Because he made his opinion on both pretty clear during the campaign and you were a fool if you voted for him. Of course, I didn't think any of the "real" candidates were better so I did with full knowledge of his positions vote for Obama over McCain.
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 04:12 PM
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7. We looked at how he handled LGBT issues and extrapolated from there
We were right. :shrug:
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