Medicare buy in.. NOW!

The fact is that they could pass a Medicare buy in for everyone with 51 votes. It's an existing program, it would be deficit neutral and because it's an existing program it can pass as a budget reconciliation with 51 votes and there would be no need for any Blue Dog or Republican support. Plus the baggers get to keep their crappy for profit insurance without having their taxes increased to cover health care.

Not to mention they could win back the base while telling Republicans to shove it up their ass. So why do I keep hearing that this bill is the best we can do and I should just wait and they will fix it later?


And yes I got this from Thom Hartmann, he's been saying it for months. I researched it and could not find any flaws in his argument.

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would not be able to make obscene amounts of money!!!!

Too simple, too logical, too easy...

The people that deserve good medical care already get it because they are wealthy enough. The rest of us can go pound dirt, eventually from the underside.

The Medicare buy-in would work too well. That is why it was killed.

Plus, they would not want to upset the "good friends" across the aisle.

We had the numbers for a lot more than medicare buy-in. Unfortunately, the executive branch twisted arms and whittled the bill down to their liking.

You're rewriting reality because you want to be pissed at Obama.

Nothing? He actually threw his support behind Lieberman when the buy-in was getting stripped out?

And this isn't just for those over 55 it's for all. And the reason it's not being discussed is it's a sensible real world solution that will help the people not the insurance companies. The people who are defending this bill and calling people like me whiners? You don't see them in this thread because there is no possible way that a person with a lick of sense could argue that this wouldn't work.

Still a clear indicator of who was shaping the bill, IMO.

you are paying to a for profit company. Of course with this plan you would have the option of keeping your current rip-off, I mean policy.

This is actually a very effective and simple solution and the numbers have already been gone over many times. Check out Thom Hartmanns site I'm sure he's still got this up there somewhere.


People need to stop making fucking excuses and realize that they are being fucked here, this isn't some fantasy this is a real world useable solution that the politicians are avoiding because they are in the pockets of the insurance industry.

Still a hell of a lot less than current insurance premiums...

EDIT: Make the increase in deduction optional..so if you want in on the universal Medicare, you can have it. If not...pay your 12-20% premiums to insurance companies.

continuing to get huge donations from the insurance industry. And from where I stand that's not a problem at all.

In thoery I'm not opposed to this plan by the way. I liked the idea when originally floated. I like the idea of expanding medicare's risk pool, and also leveragung their low overhead. I'm willing to bet this will slowly be introduced eventually.

You pay for it just like insurance. Only because profit is removed from the equation the cost is significantly lowered. Plus you add a small amount to the premiums of people making a certain amount of money to help offset the costs for people living below the poverty line.

Any more questions?

Or increase the Medicare deduction that everyone has taken out of their salary?

you would be paying premiums just like you do to an insurance company. People are aren't in the program wouldn't pay anything.

theft of the program??

I mean a maximum while working of a couple hundred a month??

Raise the ceiling.

people who make a certain amount of money would pay a slightly higher premium to offset the cost of subsidies for the poor.

There are a few options that could be used to increase the income to cover Medicare for all ..and the increases could be optional to those who are interested.

There was actually a D senator that was talking about this a couple months ago.- split the effort into two parts - pass the new stuff the hard way like they are doing now - THEN extend medicare through reconciliation.


There was a brief flurry of activity concerning this and then it strangely dropped from sight. It is the ONE thing they can do to rehabilitate the party and redeem themselves.

Oh, yeah and strip that god damned abortion clause from the new bill.

it puts a dent in insurance company profits. Even the baggers can't complain because it costs them nothing and they get to keep buying the CEO of AETNA a new yacht every year. And if I'm not mistaken they can pass the medicare buy in through a different budget reconciliation, it doesn't need to have anything to do with the HRC bill. Although I'm not 100% on that..

Medicare, just by thumbing their nose at the statiticians and living to be 65!

That is all ya gotta do to get in to MediCare!

in premiums for the more well off. So you'd be in as well.

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