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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 09:31 PM Original message |
Challenge to the health insurance bill supporters. (WARNING: No politics thread) |
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niyad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 09:33 PM Response to Original message |
1. k and r-- listening to the "sounds of silence" |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 04:44 PM Response to Reply #1 |
277. Look at the time the tread was started, then look at the time you made this reply. nt |
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niyad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 05:07 PM Response to Reply #277 |
285. wow-- a really informative reply there. I can read--what is your point? |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 05:11 PM Response to Reply #285 |
287. You complained about no one responding to the thread 2 minutes |
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niyad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 07:34 PM Response to Reply #287 |
334. since you came late to the party, you are excused. I wasn't complaining, so please do not put words |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 06:28 PM Response to Reply #285 |
311. Oh well. |
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virgogal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 09:34 PM Response to Original message |
2. I've been wondering the same thing and will be looking forward to |
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OmmmSweetOmmm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 09:36 PM Response to Original message |
3. *** crickets *** |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 04:44 PM Response to Reply #3 |
276. Look at the time the tread was started, then look at the time you made this reply. nt |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 06:18 PM Response to Reply #276 |
304. Two minutes is a long time in internet minutes. :) |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 06:20 PM Response to Reply #276 |
305. Now, watch how fast an empty thread can fill up. |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 06:23 PM Response to Reply #305 |
307. Well, actually it didn't work. |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-28-09 04:13 AM Response to Reply #305 |
357. 3 minutes for the first reply is not bad. 38 minutes for the second, non you, reply, ehh. |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 09:37 PM Response to Original message |
4. doesn't look as if it will much |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 12:30 AM Response to Reply #4 |
124. Wow, this is even worse than I thought. |
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TheWatcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 05:50 AM Response to Reply #124 |
196. And notice not ONE apologist rebuttal when things like that are posted. |
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Land Shark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 12:41 PM Response to Reply #4 |
227. Thanks for this info. nt |
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Mimosa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 06:23 AM Response to Reply #4 |
457. YES, middle class will be hurt |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 09:37 PM Response to Original message |
5. You've slimed the potential bill repeatedly, |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 09:45 PM Response to Reply #5 |
10. How about you tell us what you know Clifford? Or is sliming me more important? |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 10:13 PM Response to Reply #10 |
50. I'm just into it for the lower classes. |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 10:26 PM Response to Reply #50 |
66. From my understanding of the bill, the lower classes will |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 01:07 AM Response to Reply #66 |
143. At our end of the spectrum it will hardly matter... |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 01:18 AM Response to Reply #143 |
147. You are the kind of folks who would really benefit from single payer |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 02:47 AM Response to Reply #147 |
454. they probably would benefit from free cheese too |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 04:59 AM Response to Reply #143 |
193. Not only do I know what it is like |
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TheWatcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 05:37 AM Response to Reply #193 |
194. "Americans compared to citizens of other countries I have been to, are sad to say, so beaten down |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 06:23 AM Response to Reply #194 |
199. +100 |
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niyad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 09:46 AM Response to Reply #194 |
207. +millions. wish I could rec your post and the one to which you were replying. |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 11:47 AM Response to Reply #194 |
216. Simple answer? |
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liberal_at_heart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 03:51 PM Response to Reply #194 |
247. very sad but very true |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 03:51 PM Response to Reply #194 |
248. This should be its own OP, The Watcher. |
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liberal_at_heart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 04:30 PM Response to Reply #248 |
270. I agree. It is such a good post it should be it's own OP |
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druidity33 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 07:28 PM Response to Reply #270 |
331. I'll third that. nt. |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 09:21 PM Response to Reply #331 |
347. +10 |
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druidity33 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 07:31 PM Response to Reply #194 |
332. is this an OP yet? |
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TheWatcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 09:11 PM Response to Reply #332 |
344. I'm afraid if it WAS an OP it would be overrun with Apologist Ire or conveniently locked as |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 04:49 PM Response to Reply #344 |
433. There are those of us who are not only READY, but waiting. |
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sendero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 04:11 PM Response to Reply #194 |
425. Well.. |
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Mimosa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 06:27 AM Response to Reply #193 |
458. All Americans are entitled to the same treatment Congress gets, as Obama once believed. |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 04:45 PM Response to Reply #66 |
432. OF COURSE "the poor" will continually get sub-standard care. |
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rateyes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 09:53 AM Response to Reply #50 |
208. Did you know that because you don't have insurance the cost for your |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 12:24 PM Response to Reply #5 |
221. In other words, you can't answer the question. nt |
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TheWatcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 09:13 PM Response to Reply #221 |
345. No, but he can endlessly insult you and attack you for daring to suggest he should be able to. |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 09:20 PM Response to Reply #345 |
346. There's a small, but very active, vocal, and vicious core |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 04:50 PM Response to Reply #346 |
434. Really? I hadn't noticed them... |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 07:22 PM Response to Reply #434 |
447. . |
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Better Today (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 09:38 PM Response to Original message |
6. The bill isn't for "average" people, it's for those without affordable insurance or |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 09:46 PM Response to Reply #6 |
12. So you're admitting it doesn't help the average person. eom |
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Better Today (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 10:29 PM Response to Reply #12 |
69. Since the bill isn't finished, I can't admit or dis-admit anything, just that the |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 10:31 PM Response to Reply #69 |
72. The person who has insurance through their employer is stuck in their plan. |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 12:33 AM Response to Reply #72 |
126. Correct. |
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TicketyBoo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 01:45 PM Response to Reply #126 |
408. Most people |
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JFN1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 02:11 PM Response to Reply #408 |
418. Smart people know it is better to not be caught in ANY trap. |
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TicketyBoo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 06:08 PM Response to Reply #418 |
437. I would not complain about having a job with great health care benefits |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 01:55 AM Response to Reply #69 |
161. Preventing the insurers from denying preexisting conditions but allowing them to continue recission |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 02:26 AM Response to Reply #161 |
176. Another loophole. |
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Better Today (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 12:11 PM Response to Reply #161 |
219. Yep, hence all the "ifs" in my post. Given the circular nature of the wording |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 03:53 PM Response to Reply #219 |
249. You can't argue on "ifs". The one sure thing is the MANDATE. |
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Better Today (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 07:41 PM Response to Reply #249 |
338. I don't see the mandate as inherently bad. Universal HC would be best |
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niyad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 08:28 PM Response to Reply #338 |
342. a mandate demanding that people buy an inferior product, one they don't want, from companies that |
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TicketyBoo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 01:49 PM Response to Reply #342 |
411. Ridiculous hyperbole. |
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TicketyBoo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 01:47 PM Response to Reply #161 |
410. In my opinion, |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 01:08 PM Response to Reply #69 |
402. 'Deny' is the word you failed to find. n/t |
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t0dd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 09:39 PM Response to Original message |
7. Huge K&R. Hilarious and truthful. Thanks, Nikki! nt |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 09:39 PM Response to Original message |
8. well |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 09:52 PM Response to Reply #8 |
14. OK. So the upside is that more people will have insurance and some will be subsidized. |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 10:03 PM Response to Reply #14 |
35. hmmm |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 01:42 AM Response to Reply #35 |
154. Yeah, the illegals were banned from the exchange, which is really not too bright of the GOP |
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TicketyBoo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 01:55 PM Response to Reply #154 |
412. I thought that illegal immigrants |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 04:56 PM Response to Reply #154 |
436. ISn't it interesting that so many people think they are safe from catching disease from ONE |
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Little Star (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 10:11 PM Response to Reply #8 |
48. Why do we need a mandate before we have |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 11:26 PM Response to Reply #48 |
108. Since nothing really kicks in until 2014, they could take the mandate out now. |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 01:59 AM Response to Reply #108 |
165. And insurance companies would then back the GOP with mega $$$ |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 01:02 PM Response to Reply #48 |
231. Wall Street needs the $ now. It IS where insurance premiums go. |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 03:54 PM Response to Reply #231 |
250. That's right. Wall Street needs its fix and even Bush couldn't dump SS into the Casino |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 04:07 PM Response to Reply #250 |
259. Few are noticing this angle of the mandate |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 05:03 PM Response to Reply #259 |
281. God, have you got that right! |
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glitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 07:32 PM Response to Reply #231 |
333. Exactly. And this won't feed the beast for long. nt |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 04:51 PM Response to Reply #48 |
435. If we had a good plan to choose, they would have to beat people away with sticks. |
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Edweird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 01:16 AM Response to Reply #8 |
146. This is not a path to single payer. It is the opposite. |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 03:55 PM Response to Reply #146 |
251. You're right on the money. |
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niyad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 09:43 PM Response to Original message |
9. 45,000 dead per year times the number of years before the bill takes effect is what? at least 135k |
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Kansas Wyatt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 09:54 PM Response to Reply #9 |
20. Wouldn't expanding Medicare for all immediately, be more helpful? |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 01:45 AM Response to Reply #20 |
156. Yes it would. |
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TicketyBoo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 02:00 PM Response to Reply #20 |
413. Medicare For All |
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LiberalAndProud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 02:22 AM Response to Reply #9 |
173. Yes, we have waited far too long to get something done already. |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 02:49 AM Response to Reply #173 |
180. Doing something because you don't want to wait anymore can be problematic: |
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LiberalAndProud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 02:59 AM Response to Reply #180 |
182. 45,000 dead per year for lack of health care. |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 01:42 PM Response to Reply #182 |
237. And how is that going to change? If people have to pay for insurance with |
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quiller4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 06:26 PM Response to Reply #237 |
309. More than half of the uninsured with qualify for expanded Medicaid -no premiums or deductibles there |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 06:49 PM Response to Reply #309 |
321. And who is paying for the expanded Medicaid? |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 06:49 PM Response to Reply #309 |
322. And who is paying for the expanded Medicaid? |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 11:53 PM Response to Reply #322 |
353. . |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 06:41 PM Response to Reply #309 |
444. Medicaid is not the panacea you try to make it. |
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LiberalAndProud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-28-09 04:57 AM Response to Reply #237 |
363. You are describing my current situation. |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 06:18 PM Response to Reply #363 |
439. So you want to subject more people to your situation? |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 03:58 PM Response to Reply #182 |
253. 45K dead, so let's have a new system that could kill even more when all is said and done. |
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TicketyBoo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 02:10 PM Response to Reply #253 |
417. I really wish that |
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TicketyBoo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 02:06 PM Response to Reply #180 |
416. Not really an apt analogy. |
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cornermouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 03:27 AM Response to Reply #9 |
184. 45,000 dead per year takes the pressure |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 04:00 PM Response to Reply #184 |
254. 45K is not enough to affect Social Security in a big way. |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 09:46 PM Response to Original message |
11. Popcorn |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 09:47 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. Great thread, Nikki. So far it's been the predictable lectures and guilt trips. eom |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 09:53 PM Response to Reply #13 |
18. Be Free makes the one good argument in the thread and should be saluted. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 09:57 PM Response to Reply #18 |
23. Deleted message |
Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 01:38 AM Response to Reply #23 |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 09:53 PM Response to Reply #13 |
19. Woo hoo! |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 10:06 PM Response to Reply #19 |
41. Don't you take a dinner break or anything. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 10:09 PM Response to Reply #41 |
45. "You have been spamming all day long. All day yesterday too." How do you know? n/t |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 10:14 PM Response to Reply #45 |
51. GD-P, sort by 'Author' |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 10:16 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. Startling to the fear of facts crowd. n/t |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 10:16 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. a |
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IRemember (118 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 10:16 PM Response to Reply #51 |
54. very. Poor Prononsense. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 10:18 PM Response to Reply #54 |
57. Oh you're so cute. n/t |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 04:11 AM Response to Reply #51 |
186. do you think |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 10:12 PM Response to Reply #41 |
49. nah |
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bahrbearian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 11:11 PM Response to Reply #41 |
100. He gets paid Double time on holidays and weekends. |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 02:02 AM Response to Reply #41 |
167. Don't be concerned. |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 09:52 PM Response to Original message |
15. K, R & as suspected... |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 09:52 PM Response to Original message |
16. "What is good for the AVERAGE American about this bill" |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 09:55 PM Response to Reply #16 |
21. Do you know where that chart comes from, how accurate it is and who put it together? |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 09:57 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. So you don't know what you're talking about. And back to |
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IRemember (118 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 09:58 PM Response to Reply #22 |
25. How dare you call anyone else childish. Look at your immature rampage the entire day. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 10:00 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. Who the hell are you? I will call anyone childish who resorts to name calling |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 12:31 PM Response to Reply #27 |
222. Look In The Mirror, Little Propagandist |
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nofurylike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-28-09 05:40 AM Response to Reply #222 |
370. "Little Propagandist"? over your head that she was the one |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 10:05 PM Response to Reply #25 |
38. Deleted sub-thread |
nofurylike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-28-09 05:28 AM Response to Reply #25 |
367. you really do have it backwards, but it seems you intend that. nt |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 10:02 PM Response to Reply #22 |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 10:04 PM Response to Reply #34 |
37. You started a snarky thread based on your ignorance and now call |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 10:05 PM Response to Reply #37 |
40. Where does the graph come from? Who put it together? Where did the numbers come from? |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 10:36 PM Response to Reply #40 |
76. I don't think you'll be getting an answer. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 10:38 PM Response to Reply #76 |
79. Deleted message |
ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 11:02 PM Response to Reply #79 |
95. Maybe if you were as smart as you pretend to be you'd realize the chart is hotlinked. n/t |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 11:28 PM Response to Reply #95 |
109. There is a reason I am asking YOU the questions. |
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TheWatcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 05:54 AM Response to Reply #109 |
197. And with all due respect nikki, there is a REASON it never ANSWERS them. |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 04:57 PM Response to Reply #197 |
280. It has friends in high places. |
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niyad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 09:59 AM Response to Reply #95 |
210. you know, most of us don't click on links unless we have some idea where they lead. |
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cherokeeprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 07:35 PM Response to Reply #95 |
335. Hotlinked to another DU thread. n/t |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 01:56 PM Response to Reply #22 |
238. ....yet the graph you posted is totally useless. n/t |
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andym (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 01:04 AM Response to Reply #21 |
141. I believe the chart is from economist Paul Krugman |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 01:53 AM Response to Reply #141 |
159. Actually the source is Kaiser. The Kaiser Foundation and Kaiser Permanente were |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 02:08 AM Response to Reply #159 |
168. She didn't know where it came from. |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 02:24 AM Response to Reply #168 |
175. Thank you. And that's my point. That's why I kept asking her (Prononsense). |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 02:37 AM Response to Reply #175 |
177. I think more are catching on to her stuff. |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 02:47 AM Response to Reply #177 |
178. I'm glad to hear that. |
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TheWatcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 05:57 AM Response to Reply #175 |
198. Dozens of hotlinks and an AGENDA. THINK AGAIN. |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 04:01 PM Response to Reply #198 |
255. OK, I'll take your word for it. |
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glitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 07:50 PM Response to Reply #175 |
341. There are a few of posters who fit that description. |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 04:16 AM Response to Reply #168 |
188. exactly! |
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andym (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 02:49 AM Response to Reply #159 |
179. I believe you are correct not only the chart's data (as I mentioned) but the chart is from Kaiser. |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 04:15 AM Response to Reply #159 |
187. yes, |
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nofurylike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-28-09 05:34 AM Response to Reply #21 |
368. "you silly girl"? "you really don't understand things"? egotist? nt |
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TicketyBoo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 02:19 PM Response to Reply #21 |
419. Here is a source |
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Kansas Wyatt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 10:02 PM Response to Reply #16 |
32. So forced insurance buyers will have to turn over copies of their 1040s |
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Matariki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 01:04 AM Response to Reply #16 |
142. This chart isn't as 'nice' as it looks. In fact it substantiates the serious problems with the bill. |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 01:55 AM Response to Reply #142 |
162. This response is excellent. |
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Matariki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 02:09 AM Response to Reply #162 |
169. Thank you for asking the question you did in your OP |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 04:03 PM Response to Reply #169 |
256. I think it's because there are no real answers on the long term. |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 11:45 PM Response to Reply #16 |
352. Tripling of CHC's, that in itself makes the bill worth fighting for |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-28-09 04:32 AM Original message |
We can do that for way less than 900 billion |
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Frosty1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 09:52 PM Response to Original message |
17. The insurance companies can no longer deny coverage |
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Kansas Wyatt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 09:57 PM Response to Reply #17 |
24. Congress couldn't regulate that without this bill? |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 10:00 PM Response to Reply #24 |
29. Excellent question. The answer, is that insurance companies would never let that happen. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 10:02 PM Response to Reply #24 |
33. Congress writes laws. They made it illegal. n/t |
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Kansas Wyatt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 10:05 PM Response to Reply #33 |
39. But they could write a bill saying Insurance Companies could not discriminate. |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 01:46 AM Response to Reply #39 |
157. Yes. That could be done. |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 10:06 PM Original message |
They did not make anything illegal yet. Preexisting conditions are still a barrier |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 10:22 PM Response to Original message |
61. "Preexisting conditions are still a barrier until this bill becomes a law." |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 11:59 PM Response to Reply #61 |
117. It's the truth, you silly thing. |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 10:21 PM Response to Reply #24 |
60. Without a mandate, yes they couldn't do that |
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Kansas Wyatt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 10:33 PM Response to Reply #60 |
73. A law could have been crafted a lot easier than a mandate... |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 09:59 PM Response to Reply #17 |
26. OK. That's another point. But, insurers can charge higher rates |
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OmmmSweetOmmm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 10:02 PM Response to Reply #17 |
30. But do they have controls on what they can charge for pre-existing conditions? |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 10:00 PM Response to Original message |
28. Everyone will have health insurance |
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Kansas Wyatt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 10:08 PM Response to Reply #28 |
44. How many more non-existent jobs am I going to have to get for... |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 10:10 PM Response to Reply #28 |
47. Children covered up to 25 on their parents' insurance, with parents paying extra of course |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 10:17 PM Response to Reply #47 |
55. You are just determined to deny anything in it is good |
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t0dd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 10:21 PM Response to Reply #55 |
59. Kinda like homeless people. We should pass a law forcing them to buy homes. |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 12:31 AM Response to Reply #55 |
125. I'm showing you the loopholes. |
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liberal_at_heart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 12:50 AM Response to Reply #125 |
138. +1000, exactly |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 01:48 AM Response to Reply #138 |
158. Thank you. |
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Fire1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 05:06 PM Response to Reply #55 |
284. I think it's to age 26. n/t |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 05:30 PM Response to Reply #284 |
295. I had heard 27, but the argument still stands. |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 02:11 AM Response to Reply #28 |
170. Coverage is not care. nt |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 02:51 AM Response to Reply #170 |
181. Also a good point. |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 01:25 PM Response to Reply #181 |
232. It also requires transportation, time off work, often childcare |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 03:44 PM Response to Reply #232 |
243. Let us know if Baucus's office answers. |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 04:10 PM Response to Reply #243 |
260. If they do, you will probably be reading... |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 05:04 PM Response to Reply #260 |
283. LOL! |
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niyad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 12:07 PM Response to Reply #28 |
217. wrong-- there are roughly 47 million without insurance, and, according to even the posts on DU--only |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 04:04 PM Response to Reply #217 |
257. So this bill will actually leave 16 million without health insurance |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-28-09 05:39 AM Response to Reply #28 |
369. that's a flat out lie |
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WeDidIt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 10:02 PM Response to Original message |
31. Good Grief |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 10:06 PM Response to Reply #31 |
42. Deleted message |
WeDidIt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 10:17 PM Response to Reply #42 |
56. It's a nasty job, but somebody had to do it. |
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Sarah Ibarruri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 10:25 PM Response to Reply #56 |
65. I know... LOL! nt |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 12:12 AM Response to Reply #56 |
121. But it was very poorly done and easily deflated as an argument. |
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Kansas Wyatt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 10:23 PM Response to Reply #31 |
62. So Medicare started out with retired people forced to buy insurance from Insurance Companies? |
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WeDidIt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 10:24 PM Response to Reply #62 |
63. You competely ignored what I posted |
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Kansas Wyatt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 10:36 PM Response to Reply #63 |
77. You said this bill was like Medicare and Social Security. |
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WeDidIt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 10:39 PM Response to Reply #77 |
81. No, I didn't say that |
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Kansas Wyatt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 10:42 PM Response to Reply #81 |
84. YOU TELL ME.. |
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WeDidIt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 10:44 PM Response to Reply #84 |
86. Reading is fundamental |
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Kansas Wyatt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 10:53 PM Response to Reply #86 |
90. Apparently you cannot comprehend what I asked you. |
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WeDidIt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 11:05 PM Response to Reply #90 |
96. No, you did not comprehend what I wrote. |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 12:41 AM Response to Reply #96 |
131. You have not answered my rebuttal of your arguments, WeDidIt. You have no business |
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Kansas Wyatt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 11:22 AM Response to Reply #96 |
211. "I never said this bill was like Social Security or Medicare" |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 12:43 AM Response to Reply #90 |
132. Kansas, save your breath. His analogy is so general as to be useless. |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 12:44 AM Response to Reply #86 |
135. Your analogy is not working. That is why you are getting the answers you are getting. |
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ShamelessHussy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 05:27 PM Response to Reply #63 |
293. 'but thanks for playing' |
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Sarah Ibarruri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 10:26 PM Response to Reply #62 |
67. Just one question - does it take a lot of effort to pretend to be ignorant? |
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Kansas Wyatt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 10:38 PM Response to Reply #67 |
80. This bill requires citizens to purchase something from a private corporation. |
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Sarah Ibarruri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 10:46 PM Response to Reply #80 |
88. I've asked people this before when I've been in a good mood... |
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Kansas Wyatt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 10:56 PM Response to Reply #88 |
91. I didn't... |
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Sarah Ibarruri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 10:58 PM Response to Reply #91 |
93. I asked you |
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Kansas Wyatt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 11:06 PM Response to Reply #93 |
99. First you have to stop doing what the Republicans did. |
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Sarah Ibarruri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 11:23 PM Response to Reply #99 |
105. Oh don't you worry about a doggone thing! Soon enough Obama's term will be over |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 11:26 PM Response to Reply #105 |
107. Sarah, this is NON-POLITICAL thread, and you're getting sloppy here. |
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Kansas Wyatt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 11:26 AM Response to Reply #105 |
212. Now we know why Obama wasn't concerned about getting re-elected... |
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JoeyT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 06:57 AM Response to Reply #93 |
200. The Republicans? |
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walldude (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 01:25 PM Response to Reply #88 |
233. Well since you're in a good mood and have gone at least 10 words without |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 01:34 PM Response to Reply #88 |
236. Most of us do not expect him to fix it within a few months |
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ShamelessHussy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 05:29 PM Response to Reply #88 |
294. because he's the president |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 06:22 PM Response to Reply #294 |
306. Yup. |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 01:31 PM Response to Reply #67 |
235. Ridiculing those who ask legitimate and important questions |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 05:15 PM Response to Reply #235 |
289. Exactly |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 10:24 PM Response to Reply #31 |
64. Btw, who wrote that? |
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WeDidIt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 10:29 PM Response to Reply #64 |
70. I did. In response to the OP. n/t |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 02:00 AM Response to Reply #70 |
166. And you clearly did not read the response to it. |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 10:35 PM Response to Reply #31 |
75. We Did It: Boiled down, you have one major argument and a lot of hope and faith |
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WeDidIt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 10:37 PM Response to Reply #75 |
78. If ythe company you work for reduces overall costs with no effort |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 10:41 PM Response to Reply #78 |
82. Companies have been reducing overall costs for years due to automation and outsourcing |
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WeDidIt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 10:42 PM Response to Reply #82 |
83. That's where you are wrong |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 10:58 PM Response to Reply #83 |
92. No, reduced costs DO NOT have to equal increased hiring, and not in the US. |
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WeDidIt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 11:06 PM Response to Reply #92 |
98. Reduced costs that come with no effort ALWASY OPEN UP MORE JOBS! |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 11:17 PM Response to Reply #98 |
102. No they don't. Extra money has many places it can go. |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 04:28 AM Response to Reply #102 |
190. and it certainly won't go into higher wages for the existing employees |
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JoeyT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 07:04 AM Response to Reply #98 |
201. Really? |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 04:07 PM Response to Reply #201 |
258. Bingo. |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 12:02 AM Response to Reply #78 |
118. A propos of your trust of Congress in regard to healthcare: |
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LiberalAndProud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-28-09 04:47 AM Response to Reply #75 |
362. Nikki, are you against all health care reform? |
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Generator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 04:18 PM Response to Reply #75 |
429. I just have to say |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 12:39 AM Response to Reply #31 |
129. Whoop-de-doo, 80 percent will have to paid out in claims |
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Matariki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 01:18 AM Response to Reply #129 |
148. Or buying more Senators. |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 01:59 AM Response to Reply #148 |
164. Sigh |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 12:44 AM Response to Reply #31 |
134. "for orphans and widows only to begin" - the 3rd time this bullshit has appeared. NO, it was NOT. |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 02:22 AM Response to Reply #134 |
174. . |
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Sarah Ibarruri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 10:04 PM Response to Original message |
36. Oh please. Go phone Grover Norquist. He's Hamsher's best pal. |
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t0dd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 10:07 PM Response to Reply #36 |
43. What the hell does this thread have to do with Grover Norquist? |
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Sarah Ibarruri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 10:10 PM Response to Reply #43 |
46. Oh please. I love it when Hamsherites come across as if they just appeared online and |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 10:27 PM Response to Reply #46 |
68. Sort of like House and Senate Dems taking Insurance money |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 10:30 PM Response to Reply #68 |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 10:49 PM Response to Reply #71 |
89. I hope you're not driving tonight. n/t |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 11:18 PM Response to Reply #71 |
103. NOT a political thread, Sarah. |
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Sarah Ibarruri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 11:34 PM Response to Reply #103 |
110. Excuse me while I block you a moment |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 11:57 PM Response to Reply #110 |
115. LOL! |
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flvegan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 10:20 PM Response to Reply #43 |
58. That particular record has been skipping all day. |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 10:33 PM Response to Reply #43 |
74. Nothing. Sarah has lost it, what little she had. |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 10:44 PM Response to Reply #36 |
87. Sarah, this is NON-POLITICAL thread, and you're getting sloppy here. |
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niyad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 10:42 PM Response to Original message |
85. I take back my earlier figure of 135k dead before the cartel's wet dream comes into existence. |
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GodDamLiberal (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 11:36 PM Response to Reply #85 |
111. That is a bare minimum |
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niyad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 11:51 PM Response to Reply #111 |
112. thank you for that info--even more depressing than I thought. |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 01:44 AM Response to Reply #111 |
155. Uh, they're waiting for people to die? |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 10:59 PM Response to Original message |
94. An observation: the arguments have been weak at best, but the "talking points" have been vehement |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 11:06 PM Response to Reply #94 |
97. After all this, the conclusion is denial n/t |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 11:12 PM Response to Reply #97 |
101. Once again, Prononsense, your complete inability to recognize a fact amazes me. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 11:21 PM Response to Reply #101 |
104. "If I were you, I'd stick to GD: P " Why, afraid that my being here will |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 11:24 PM Response to Reply #104 |
106. Where does the graph come from? Who put it together? Where did the numbers come from? |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 11:52 PM Response to Reply #106 |
113. Clue |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 11:56 PM Response to Reply #113 |
114. Not an explanation. YOU explain it. Prove you have a brain cell. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 11:58 PM Response to Reply #114 |
116. "And I don't do hotlinks as a rule. EVER." |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 12:11 AM Response to Reply #116 |
120. You can't explain that chart at all, can you. You have no clue where those numbers come from. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 12:13 AM Response to Reply #120 |
122. Go back to my original post and figure it out yourself |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 12:24 AM Response to Reply #122 |
123. You really don't know. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 12:34 AM Response to Reply #123 |
127. Keep saying that. |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 12:37 AM Response to Reply #127 |
128. Where does the graph come from? Who put it together? Where did the numbers come from? |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 12:40 AM Response to Reply #128 |
130. No, go to the link. |
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bridgit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 12:43 AM Response to Reply #130 |
133. Princeton |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 12:48 AM Response to Reply #133 |
137. Brigit, I appreciate your one-word answer, but that also tells me very little. |
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bridgit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 01:14 AM Response to Reply #137 |
145. By right clicking the pic itself, and going to Properties, this is able to be seen |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 01:22 AM Response to Reply #145 |
149. Too many "seems" here, one link to the same graph, and one link to Princeton's general website |
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bridgit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 01:53 AM Response to Reply #149 |
160. Asked & Answered - follow the yellow brick road ~ |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 01:57 AM Response to Reply #160 |
163. Brigit, these were not asked and answered. At least not by you. |
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bridgit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 02:14 AM Response to Reply #163 |
171. Pft, please, I defer to the snarky drama Kings & Queens of DU |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 02:17 AM Response to Reply #171 |
172. just know where your numbers come from. |
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bridgit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 12:34 PM Response to Reply #172 |
224. Fair enough, though it is your presumption your prejudice that I do not already... |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 03:47 PM Response to Reply #224 |
244. Because you didn't say so. |
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bridgit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-28-09 01:58 AM Response to Reply #244 |
355. You've accused Paul Krugman of academic fraud & plagarism... |
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ShamelessHussy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 05:32 PM Response to Reply #171 |
296. 'yellow brick road' |
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bridgit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-28-09 01:35 AM Response to Reply #296 |
354. Oh yes, that's the one that neither begins nor ends in front of Kaiser-Permanente |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 01:19 PM Response to Reply #354 |
404. Same Kaiser, same founder, same issues |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 12:45 AM Response to Reply #130 |
136. Where does the graph come from? Who put it together? Where did the numbers come from? |
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OmmmSweetOmmm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 01:23 AM Response to Reply #136 |
150. It comes from the insurance giant, Kaiser! |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 01:35 AM Response to Reply #150 |
151. . |
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Kansas Wyatt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 12:46 PM Response to Reply #130 |
230. Excuse me... |
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TheWatcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 05:42 AM Response to Reply #128 |
195. Kaiser. It knows that. |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 12:03 AM Response to Original message |
119. For those who trust Congress to police the insurance industry after the mandate goes through: |
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liberal_at_heart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 01:00 AM Response to Reply #119 |
140. This is what they are doing with our premiums and deductibles |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 01:13 AM Response to Reply #140 |
144. Exactly. And that is the problem. |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 07:15 AM Response to Reply #119 |
203. +1 |
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niyad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 12:56 AM Response to Original message |
139. ... |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 01:36 AM Response to Reply #139 |
152. Thanks. |
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niyad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 12:18 PM Response to Reply #152 |
220. thanks for the info--was wondering where the water-carriers were this morning. |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 05:21 PM Response to Reply #220 |
292. LOL! |
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niyad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 07:47 PM Response to Reply #292 |
340. the silence from the water-carriers (yesterday's, at any rate) has been refreshing. |
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johnaries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 03:16 AM Response to Original message |
183. *sigh* My dear Nikki, you really are missing the point. |
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cornermouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 04:46 AM Response to Reply #183 |
192. (sigh) More opinion dressed up as fact. |
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johnaries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-28-09 07:17 PM Response to Reply #192 |
378. Because denial for pre-existing conditions is expressly forbidden. |
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JoeyT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 07:14 AM Response to Reply #183 |
202. While that may be the case. |
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Kansas Wyatt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 12:42 PM Response to Reply #183 |
228. How much is the "pre-existing conditions" insurance going to cost? |
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johnaries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-28-09 07:20 PM Response to Reply #228 |
380. The premiums will be the same, whether you have pre-existing conditions |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 04:12 PM Response to Reply #183 |
261. My dear johnaries: who is going to police all this and make sure it happens? |
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johnaries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-28-09 07:14 PM Response to Reply #261 |
377. Read the bill. |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-28-09 08:12 PM Response to Reply #377 |
388. LOL, it leave it up to states; CA had to drop its suits againt Anthem, too $$$ and took too long |
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johnaries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-28-09 08:47 PM Response to Reply #388 |
389. Actually, no. But thanks for playing. |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-28-09 09:53 PM Response to Reply #389 |
392. actually yes--- |
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johnaries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 12:18 AM Response to Reply #392 |
393. The Sec of HHS is responsible for setting up |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 02:04 AM Response to Reply #393 |
397. Exactly! It is up to each state! But the states cannot accomplish this! |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 01:20 PM Response to Reply #397 |
405. Excellent point. States do not have the resources to police a national industry |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 04:17 PM Response to Reply #405 |
428. +100 and California is but one example---it was way out-spent by the super-rich insur corporations |
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LostInAnomie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 03:56 AM Response to Original message |
185. What's an "Average American"? |
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cornermouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 04:42 AM Response to Reply #185 |
191. One word barrier to actually seeing a doctor or going to the hospital. |
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quiller4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-28-09 02:17 PM Response to Reply #191 |
376. I have a 20% co-pay now and I have never been asked to pay the |
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inna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 04:23 AM Response to Original message |
189. OMG, this thread is absolutely hilarious! |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 04:12 PM Response to Reply #189 |
262. Glad you're enjoying yourself.:) |
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KrR (237 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 07:29 AM Response to Original message |
204. What do GLBT rights do for the average American? n/t |
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niyad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 11:44 AM Response to Reply #204 |
215. only the notion that we are only as free as the least protected amoung us. |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 04:14 PM Response to Reply #215 |
263. Excellent answer. But GLBT rights does not require 15-20% of my income by law. |
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Jamastiene (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 08:58 AM Response to Original message |
205. To be honest with you, I have only seen maybe 1 or 2 supporters of the bills on here |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 04:15 PM Response to Reply #205 |
264. There were a couple, Jamastiene, and I made sure to thank them. |
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niyad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 09:37 AM Response to Original message |
206. .... |
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invictus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 09:56 AM Response to Original message |
209. K&R |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 11:30 AM Response to Original message |
213. My Senator read the bill and he summed it up like this: |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 01:29 PM Response to Reply #213 |
234. With all due respect to Sen. Feingold |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 02:01 PM Response to Reply #234 |
239. You bring up good points and I will ask Senator Feingold to address them. |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 02:06 PM Response to Reply #239 |
240. Thank you and please ask him about the preexisting conditions and fraud clause |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 02:21 PM Response to Reply #240 |
242. I sent you a PM with the text of what I sent. |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 07:06 PM Response to Reply #240 |
327. And who is going to police them. |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 04:25 PM Response to Reply #213 |
266. Thank you for your post. |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 06:39 PM Response to Reply #266 |
318. Grandstanding? |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 07:05 PM Response to Reply #318 |
326. This is not an answer to the post. |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 07:19 PM Response to Reply #326 |
328. ? |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 06:29 PM Response to Reply #213 |
313. I responded to you. How about you do me the same courtesy? |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 06:35 PM Response to Reply #313 |
316. That was rude. |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 06:50 PM Response to Reply #316 |
323. That was not rude. That was a request. |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 06:53 PM Response to Reply #323 |
324. . |
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niyad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 11:39 AM Response to Original message |
214. .... |
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kiva (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 12:09 PM Response to Original message |
218. Nikki, just read this - thank you for the thread and |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 04:28 PM Response to Reply #218 |
268. You're welcome. |
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blueworld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 12:33 PM Response to Original message |
223. If I had a million bucks I'd mail you a large check... |
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blueworld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 12:44 PM Response to Reply #223 |
229. And why didn't the bailout take 3 years? n/t |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 03:51 PM Response to Reply #223 |
246. The only way the NYTimes psychics would know anything is |
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Dinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 12:35 PM Response to Original message |
225. K & R |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 12:38 PM Response to Original message |
226. Awesome Thread, Nikki |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 06:33 PM Response to Reply #226 |
314. Thanks. |
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northernlights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 02:20 PM Response to Original message |
241. without the infrastructure to support it, there can't be universal health care |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 03:50 PM Response to Reply #241 |
245. The word "infrastructure" seems to be a talking point this weekend. |
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northernlights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 04:27 PM Response to Reply #245 |
267. huh? what does the shortage of medical staff have to do with wall street? |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 04:29 PM Response to Reply #267 |
269. What does the shortage of medical staff have to do with this bill? |
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northernlights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 04:51 PM Response to Reply #269 |
278. Bernie Sander's amendment |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 05:08 PM Response to Reply #278 |
286. Does it seem odd to you that this bill is willing to pay $$ for everything but actual health care? |
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northernlights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 05:46 PM Response to Reply #286 |
300. it does pay for health care |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 06:26 PM Response to Reply #300 |
310. If this amendment stays, this bill will pay for a tiny sliver of actual healthcare, maybe |
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northernlights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 06:42 PM Response to Reply #310 |
319. I would expect emergency personnel to treat me the same way they did the last time I was there |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 07:03 PM Response to Reply #319 |
325. Wow. What a post! |
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northernlights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 07:27 PM Response to Reply #325 |
330. It's no different than when I had insurance |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 10:06 PM Response to Reply #330 |
349. Where do you learn to do what you do? |
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northernlights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-28-09 10:59 AM Response to Reply #349 |
374. yes nt |
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Skidmore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 03:55 PM Response to Original message |
252. Wow! How do you expect people to discuss this without |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 04:36 PM Response to Reply #252 |
271. The ramifications for people will be economic, not political. |
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Skidmore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 05:18 PM Response to Reply #271 |
290. I believe I said that. And I said that |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 05:33 PM Response to Reply #290 |
297. No, you actually said there was no way to separate politics from the bill, and I said |
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Skidmore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 05:46 PM Response to Reply #297 |
299. Read what I said again, please. |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 06:03 PM Response to Reply #299 |
302. You need to read what you said, again. You said you can't separate politics from it. |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-28-09 05:07 AM Response to Reply #299 |
364. At which point the predatory monopoly would die under it's own weight |
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Skidmore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-28-09 06:35 AM Response to Reply #364 |
372. Will it die under its own wait in this era of "too big to lose?" |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 04:19 AM Response to Reply #372 |
399. This bill enshrines big insurance as too big to fail. If they have no customers |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 04:25 PM Response to Original message |
265. I don't know what an average American is, but... |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 04:37 PM Response to Reply #265 |
272. How about recission? |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 04:42 PM Response to Reply #272 |
275. Recission of what? |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 04:54 PM Response to Reply #275 |
279. You don't know enough about recission then. |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 05:03 PM Response to Reply #279 |
282. No, you are avoiding my original answer. |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 05:13 PM Response to Reply #282 |
288. Tell me about recission and why I brought it up. |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 05:45 PM Response to Reply #288 |
298. "What you're upset about is that I didn't say "Oh, of course! You win!" to your list of items." |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 06:14 PM Response to Reply #298 |
303. I've been direct the whole time. I think what you mean is that I spoon fed you this time |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-28-09 04:03 AM Response to Reply #303 |
356. How do you interpret this quote from the link? |
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niyad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 05:19 PM Response to Reply #275 |
291. "the government will police the insurance industry"??? what on earth are you on, because you |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 05:46 PM Response to Reply #291 |
301. Both my wife and I have worked for the government and we were not in the pockets of |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 06:35 PM Response to Reply #301 |
315. You ran for office? |
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niyad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 07:40 PM Response to Reply #301 |
337. were you in office? were you in any agency that would, according to you, be charged with overseeing |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 11:00 PM Response to Reply #337 |
350. No answer. |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-28-09 04:16 AM Response to Reply #350 |
358. I just got back. WTF? I am not at my computer all day. |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-28-09 04:29 AM Response to Reply #350 |
360. Holy shit! You have not replied yet!!!! What the fuck is going on around here!!! Aaaahhhhh!!!! nt |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-28-09 04:32 AM Response to Reply #350 |
361. Aaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! No reply yet. What will I do without my Nikki Stone1!!!! Noooo! nt |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-28-09 04:22 AM Response to Reply #337 |
359. No and Yes. |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 01:51 AM Response to Reply #359 |
395. What department did you work in and what was your GS level? |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 02:04 AM Response to Reply #395 |
396. Why do you need "some idea" about me? |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 12:23 PM Response to Reply #396 |
400. Because you offered yourself up as someone "in government" who doesn't take bribes |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 01:18 PM Response to Reply #396 |
403. . |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 02:01 PM Response to Reply #396 |
415. . |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 04:16 PM Response to Reply #396 |
427. . |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 06:20 PM Response to Reply #396 |
440. . |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 07:25 PM Response to Reply #396 |
448. . |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 09:17 PM Response to Reply #396 |
450. . |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 09:45 PM Response to Reply #396 |
451. . |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 02:35 AM Response to Reply #396 |
453. . |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 07:31 PM Response to Reply #396 |
461. . |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 10:16 PM Response to Reply #461 |
462. We were both congressman. nt |
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quiller4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 06:28 PM Response to Reply #272 |
312. Both house and senate bills ban recission. In the Senate bill |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 06:36 PM Response to Reply #312 |
317. How about a link to that. |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 07:38 PM Response to Reply #272 |
336. You ask what's good for the average american in this bill |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 11:19 PM Response to Reply #336 |
351. No, when they answer, I point out the loopholes in their answer. |
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Fire1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 04:37 PM Response to Original message |
273. This got way more attention than it deserved. n/t |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 04:41 PM Response to Reply #273 |
274. Actually, if people had answered the OP simply and without snark, the thread would have been |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 07:26 PM Response to Reply #273 |
329. Nah, just got more than the advocates without answers would prefer |
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niyad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 07:44 PM Response to Reply #273 |
339. including your response? |
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quiller4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 06:24 PM Response to Original message |
308. It limits the age surcharge. Since many who purchase their own |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 06:47 PM Response to Reply #308 |
320. Older people will still continue to pay more |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-28-09 05:19 AM Response to Reply #320 |
366. The same mostly ineffective and bought and paid for folks that are supposed to leash the dogs now |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-28-09 07:29 PM Response to Reply #366 |
384. "Everything this bill does greatly depends on the same very broken parts we have today." BRAVO! |
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niyad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 09:10 PM Response to Original message |
343. ... |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 09:25 PM Response to Original message |
348. Great Thread, Nikki Stone1! |
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nofurylike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-28-09 05:17 AM Response to Original message |
365. "No politics"? right. all disagreement with you all is dismissed |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-28-09 07:26 PM Response to Reply #365 |
382. I've kept to my promise of not getting into politics. |
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nofurylike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-28-09 05:52 AM Response to Original message |
371. have you ever put this much time into helping people understand |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-28-09 07:28 PM Response to Reply #371 |
383. Yes, I have. |
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Starbucks Anarchist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 06:28 PM Response to Reply #383 |
442. Ironic, since you were asking for someone else's personal info in post #395. |
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niyad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-28-09 10:49 AM Response to Original message |
373. .... |
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DailyGrind51 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-28-09 11:23 AM Response to Original message |
375. Insurance companies can no longer rescind my coverage if I become sick. |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-28-09 07:22 PM Response to Reply #375 |
381. Unless you become too ill and then you'll go into the "High Risk Pool" which |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-28-09 07:33 PM Response to Reply #375 |
387. lots of loopholes for them in the bill.... |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 02:20 AM Response to Reply #387 |
398. No cost controls, no reduction in administrative costs (paperwork) and inadequate policing |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 04:19 PM Response to Reply #398 |
430. yes, plus ability to drop coverage for "fraud" as loosely & very broadly defined by the corporations |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-28-09 07:19 PM Response to Original message |
379. Kick. |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-28-09 07:29 PM Response to Original message |
385. I'm much more than devastated by this bill, but reasonable people can disagree. |
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TheWatcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-28-09 08:52 PM Response to Reply #385 |
390. The issue of the poor and Homeless is something very dear to my heart bobbolink |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-28-09 09:09 PM Response to Reply #390 |
391. Thanks. |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 02:01 PM Response to Reply #385 |
414. I hope you're not offended by this, but you are my mental picture/symbol of homelessness |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 04:43 PM Response to Reply #414 |
431. Yes, there IS a breaking point. I'm talking with other homeless people who are fed up with being |
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mdmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-28-09 07:31 PM Response to Original message |
386. It will fail, and Obama will blame the insurance companies |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 01:38 AM Response to Reply #386 |
394. That better be MEDICAL marijuana you're smokin there. |
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TicketyBoo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 12:29 PM Response to Original message |
401. Do you want pre-existing conditions |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 01:25 PM Response to Reply #401 |
406. This has already been discussed up thread but |
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TicketyBoo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 01:39 PM Response to Reply #406 |
407. We don't really know the details yet, |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 01:45 PM Response to Reply #407 |
409. Then why did you offer your defense of the bill if you feel that it would be speculation? |
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TicketyBoo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 06:11 PM Response to Reply #409 |
438. I believe that it is as legitimate |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 07:18 PM Response to Reply #438 |
446. Optimism and pessimism are feelings |
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TicketyBoo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 03:58 AM Response to Reply #446 |
455. Right back at you. |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 06:38 PM Response to Reply #401 |
443. We don't need this bill to do away with the pre-existing condition clauses in |
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TicketyBoo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 04:03 AM Response to Reply #443 |
456. Maybe we don't need this exact bill, no, |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 02:21 PM Response to Original message |
420. It benefits Americans with jobs working for for-profit insurance companies. |
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TicketyBoo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 02:37 PM Response to Original message |
421. I have read and read |
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kiva (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 03:25 PM Response to Reply #421 |
422. I don't know if you mean it that way, but your last sentence |
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TicketyBoo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 04:04 PM Response to Reply #422 |
423. I think you've missed my point. |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 06:27 PM Response to Reply #423 |
441. Serenity does not equal lie there and take it |
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TicketyBoo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 10:53 AM Response to Reply #441 |
460. It does if |
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kiva (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 07:37 PM Response to Reply #423 |
449. Got it...I also try to limit the time I spend |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 04:06 PM Response to Original message |
424. How far from Medicare for all -- or Single Payer??? Or what every other nation has ??? |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 04:11 PM Response to Reply #424 |
426. If you believe Matt Taibbi, it was all compromised away before it started. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 09:33 AM Response to Reply #426 |
459. Obama's corporate agenda has been obvious from first days after election .... |
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Geek_Girl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 07:04 PM Response to Original message |
445. I'm in IT and I'm going to work for an Insurance Company |
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Canuckistanian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 09:49 PM Response to Original message |
452. Everyone's got to do their own math |
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