Vatican: Gay marriage "EVIL", abortion is "TERRORISM"

VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - The Vatican's second-highest ranking doctrinal official on Monday forcefully branded homosexual marriage an evil and denounced abortion and euthanasia as forms of "terrorism with a human face."

The attack by Archbishop Angelo Amato, secretary of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, was the latest in a string of speeches made by either Pope Benedict or other Vatican officials as Italy considers giving more rights to gays.

In an address to chaplains, Amato said newspapers and television bulletins often seemed like "a perverse film about evil." He denounced "evils that remain almost invisible" because the media presented them as "expression of human progress."

He listed these as abortion clinics, which he called "slaughterhouses of human beings," euthanasia, and "parliaments of so-called civilized nations where laws contrary to the nature of the human being are being promulgated, such as the approval of marriage between people of the same sex ..."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070423/wl_nm/pope_gays_dc

evil terrorists-----by the V. definition (or focus on the family---Dobson et al)

Just remember, Free Will is also a tenet of the faith.

It just diminishes the word's real meaning.

And how quickly the right (and this new Vatican bunch seem to me to be starting off like a bunch of real wingers) likes to jump on the terrorism bandwagon, trying to guilt trip everyone, trying to "terrify" the sheeple.

The Pope would prefer to hide pedophile priests under the rug than deal with the church's own real vices.

after 500 years of demanding belief in limbo now acknowledge limbo does not exist.....


We've yet to see the vatican forceably brand the cardinals that covered up the catholic churches abuse of children for 100 years.
I guess they missed the verse about let he who is without sin, cast the first stone.

for their rabid antiwoman policy. After all, if unbaptized babies go straight to heaven, wouldn't that apply to the aborted fetus, also?

In any case, it's time for those old men in skirts and funny hats to get slapped down: they do NOT have the right to tell anyone but Catholics how to live and even Catholics have been gifted with the free will to ignore them.

Who, exactly, is being terrorized into changing their political stance?

I don't think that word means what he thinks it means.

Fuck, don't these people actually read their supposed Book or do they just invent new ways to hate? Oh yeah, they also said Purgatory doesn't exist and made it official. An extra-dimensional plane of existence? Poof! Someone get these people in straight jackets ASAP!

Not exactly critical thinkers, either, wouldn't you say?

follow 'Authority'".

I know the last pope spoke out against Bush's War, but I don't think the American Catholic "church" was anywhere near responsible in their reaction to the situation. In fact, I blame them, along with the pResident, Congress, and MSM for what has happened. The U.S. is guilty of Murder.

So, I believe I can do a better job of figuring out what is "right" and "wrong" on my own, thank you very much Pope Benedict, and I've already figured out that real true Love and Human Rights trump everything else, including sexual orientation and, though I'd personally prefer Women to CHOOSE Adoption, over Abortion, as long as the Human Family is nothing but a bunch of War Slaves to the Materialsim Machine, I'm SORRY to say, Abortion is more of a "sacrament" than it is a sacrilege.

Fucking hypocrite.

record, seems hell bent on pursuing a course that leads to obscurity. The human population is gradually coming to grips with the fact that reality must be acknowledged; people cannot just be ignored and thrown away.

The world is not flat and the sun does not revolve around it.
Although the current crisis in global conditions has the capacity to drive the human race back to ox and wagon days, with the attendant loss of up to ninety percent of the population and resultant retreat to low tech, scientific ignorance, it isn't yet likely.

I don't know exactly why this makes me so angry, but seventeenth century exclusionism is definitely not what is needed and wanted, except by the winger troglodytes, of course.

i'm gLad no one Listens to them. :eyes:

EDIT: Subject typo.

abortion is just murder.

Based upon the effort made by the Vatican to discuss these issues, it would seem to be the case. I guess helping the poor, taking care of the sick, etc isn't important anymore. (I know it is to Catholic DUers, though.)

Interesting, both of these issues have to do with procreation. I guess they feel their numbers aren't keeping up.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=103&topic_id=276680&mesg_id=276807


They need cannon-fodder to counter Islam.


http://www.catholic.net/RCC/Periodicals/Dossier/1998-11-12/introduction.html

INTRODUCTION

THE WORLD IN 2050

by Hon. Frank Shakespeare

Hon. Frank Shakespeare is the former U.S. ambassador to the Vatican. This address was delivered at the 1996 Wanderer Forum in Washington, D.C.

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A thought about Islam: Something tragic is happening in Western Europe, which was traditionally Chris tendom. It is almost never spoken about, it’s only very rarely referred to, but it seems to me to be of staggering importance. And when I say it you will say, "Well, that’s too dramatic a phrase." It’s not meant to be dramatic. It’s meant to be an exact description of the truth. And it’s this. Europe is committing suicide. What do I mean by that? Europe has a birth rate which is simply suicidal. For example, it takes 2.1 babies per woman in a nation, in a society, to keep the population even, if you exclude immigration and emigration. The birthrate in Spain is the lowest in the entire world. It is 1.2. The birthrate in Italy is the second lowest in the entire world. It is 1.3. We tend to think of a big fat Italian mama with ten bambinos, because that’s the way it used to be 50 years ago. Well it isn’t. Italy is dying. Spain is dying. Two of the most Catholic countries in the world. Why? That’s for people much wiser than I am to grope with. France is 1.4. Germany is 1.3. If you take the 15 countries that constitute the Euro pean Union, that constitute Chris tendom in the historical sense, the birthrate is 1.5. Right across the Mediterranean, directly across the Mediterranean, in the Muslim countries and in black Africa and in India, the birth rate is 3.7 to over 4. That is a staggering situation. What does it mean? What it means is very clear. In the lives of our grandchildren, or maybe our great-grandchildren, but in just a moment in history, you’ll look at a map and see a big structure that looks like a boot and it will stick down into the Medi terranean and it will say on it "Italy." But it won’t have Italians in it! It will have people who come from Libya, be cause Italy has a special relationship with Libya in the past, and people who will come from Turkey because they need work. 28 years ago there wasn’t one single mosque in Rome. When I left there 4 years ago there were over 200. In Rome! Now many of those are storefronts. But one of them is one of the biggest, most modern mos ques in all the world. In Italy! And what are the Ital ians doing? They have the second lowest birthrate in all the world. I do not know Islam. I haven’t studied it. But Islam has been re-animated in our time. After its enormous vitality three to four centuries ago, when these great battles took place, it sort of went to sleep. And in our lifetime, in the last 40 to 50 years, it has been re-animated. In many ways it’s been re-animated as an idea. Islamic fundamentalism is the governing mode in such countries as Iraq, and in Syria, and in Sudan, and in Algeria, and Iran. It has just taken over Af ghan istan. An Is lamic leader has just been elected the Prime Minister of Turkey.

Who is to know where Islam is going? It would be a man wiser and more educated than myself. But it is an enormous question. Clearly there have been two elements which have played some role in it. There has been an insertion of two new things into that world in our lifetimes. One is oil, and the other is Israel. In any event, in all of that mix, you have a resurgent Islam, you have the huge money of oil, you have the fervor of belief, and of course you have something far more than just the Arab world. Islam runs down through Pak istan, and South east Asia and India. Muslims are 80% of the population in Indonesia, one of the largest countries in the world. And the struggle in our time for the soul of Africa is the struggle between Islam and Chris tianity. So in the year 2050, what is Islam?

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