Immigration Reform "Next On The Agenda"

Motown_Johnny

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Wed Dec-30-09 12:43 PM
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Poll question: Immigration Reform "Next On The Agenda"

MSNBC is reporting that Immigration Reform is "Next on The Hill" and some DUers are posting that Reid and Pelosi both want it to be next.

In an election year, should this issue be addressed?

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Overseas

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Wed Dec-30-09 12:45 PM
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1. Yes it can be addressed if we want to continue pandering to the right wing.//nt

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Cant trust em

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Wed Dec-30-09 12:46 PM
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2. It shouldn't be addressed during a time of high unemployment.

My opposition to having it be next isn't because it's an election cycle, but this is not the right time based on the economic conditions.

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Motown_Johnny

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Wed Dec-30-09 12:50 PM
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4. Just to play devil's advocate

Edited on Wed Dec-30-09 12:51 PM by Motown_Johnny

it could be argued that documenting workers and getting them and their employers to pay taxes could be helpful to the economy.

It could also help obscure the numbers if you suddenly add X million workers to the rolls.

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Cant trust em

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Wed Dec-30-09 01:05 PM
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13. You don't have to convince me.

I work for a Latino economic development agency. There are thousands of underground entrepreneurs that if we brought them into the mainstream they could get access to capital and drive real economic growth.

But the second that this gets introduced the "we're giving American jobs to foreigners" rhetoric will pick up.

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AlphaCentauri

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Wed Dec-30-09 01:48 PM
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14. It has been that way in good or bad times

during the good time Xenos argued that there was an invasion, they'll just pickup the rhetoric of the day to make noise.

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AlphaCentauri

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Wed Dec-30-09 12:50 PM
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3. Yes fix the system

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LWolf

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Wed Dec-30-09 12:53 PM
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5. Other:

After the health insurance reform debacle, I'm not sure I want this conference attempting any more "reforms."

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Motown_Johnny

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Wed Dec-30-09 12:56 PM
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6. and if we take large losses in the mid term do you want that conference

Edited on Wed Dec-30-09 12:57 PM by Motown_Johnny

attempting reforms?

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LWolf

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Wed Dec-30-09 01:03 PM
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11. That congress wouldn't need to attempt "reforms."

The current system already benefits them.

Using a Democratic Congress to push forward "reforms" that benefit corporate power-holders under the guise of "democratic" reforms can be worse than the already bad status quo.

See HCR.

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evan2

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Wed Dec-30-09 01:00 PM
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10. HReform is intimately tied to so-called immigration reform

Those who profit from high immigration rates want to make sure that those folks are REQUIRED to buy insurance. They (the rich) certainly have no intention of bearing any of the social costs of millions of new people coming here year after year. THAT (the social
costs) is the little people's problem, not theirs.

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harun

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Wed Dec-30-09 02:09 PM
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15. I get the feeling their "reform" will mean more outsourced labor and more H1B's.

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LWolf

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Wed Dec-30-09 02:34 PM
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16. I've got the feeling

that I won't like whatever "reform" they attempt. :(

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Hello_Kitty

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Thu Dec-31-09 12:49 AM
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23. Yep. eom

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evan2

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Wed Dec-30-09 12:56 PM
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7. What is your definition of "reform"? IMO, it means corporate

America will then have cheap labor that will be here legally, so they won't have to worry about replacing those who now
might be deported.

It also means the continued expansion of the high costs that the rest of endure as the result of millions of new people coming here
every year. WE will be told we're racists or worse if we support efforts to raise wages here and keep the cost of housing (especially
rentals), food, energy etc. reasonable. Everyone likes to be thought of as being humanitarian, but the people who profit from
millions of additional people coming here year after year could care less about THAT.

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Motown_Johnny

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Wed Dec-30-09 12:59 PM
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9. I am simply parroting what was reported. I don't think my definition matters

but my definition differs from yours only slightly.

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Enrique

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Wed Dec-30-09 12:59 PM
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8. other: it's not true

immigration reform won't be addressed next year.

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Edweird

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Wed Dec-30-09 01:04 PM
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12. Gluttons for punishment huh?

I personally would rather they not 'fix' anything else. Especially since they aren't listening or keeping their word.

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Thickasabrick

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Wed Dec-30-09 02:36 PM
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17. The only focus should be jobs and the economy until those are

looking better.

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Motown_Johnny

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Wed Dec-30-09 07:45 PM
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18. I think you/we need to walk and chew gum at the same time

You/we need to make the point that we work on the economy and jobs every day, but that we also focus on other issues.

Since most anything domestic can be spun into affecting the economy and/or jobs in some fashion it isn't hard to do.

Clearly the problem of undocumented workers can be seen as a jobs issue and the taxes that are not being paid can be seen as a deficit/economic issue.

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Thickasabrick

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Wed Dec-30-09 08:47 PM
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20. We have already pissed off enough people around healthcare. The

immigration issue is toxic and should not be attempted until his second term....unless you really want him to be a one termer.

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bigwillq

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Wed Dec-30-09 07:46 PM
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19. I agree

Edited on Wed Dec-30-09 07:47 PM by bigwillq

I think it's possible to focus on more than one thing. I guess it just depends on what they mean by "reform". I think the system is broken (not to sound cliched or anything) but I think it might be better to work on changing some things that are wrong with the system instead of trying to push through a sweeping reform bill at this time.

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Thickasabrick

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Wed Dec-30-09 08:50 PM
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21. The economy first and foremost should be the focus. That encompasses

credit, credit cards, financial reform, dealing with the foreclosure crisis and my favorite subject - lobbying reform....if they have time - which they won't.

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classysassy

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Thu Dec-31-09 12:41 AM
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22. Not until

we start treat Canada the way we treat Mexico.Screw all the latino haters.

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