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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-30-09 04:01 PM
Original message
Witch Hunt
Edited on Wed Dec-30-09 04:03 PM by berni_mccoy
Hamsher is on a witch hunt for Rahm Emanuel's head. So much so, she's enlisted the help of Grover Norquist. Here's an excerpt of the letter they sent to the AG:

We write to demand an immediate investigation into the activities of White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel.

...snip...

If the Treasury approves the $800 billion commitment to Fannie and Freddie by the end of the year, it will mean that under the influence of Rahm Emanuel, the White House is moving a trillion-dollar slush fund into corruption-riddled companies with no oversight in place. This will allow Fannie and Freddie to continue to purchase more toxic assets from banks, acting as a back-door increase of the TARP without congressional approval.

...

Sincerely,

Jane Hamsher
FiredogLake.com

Grover Norquist
Americans for Tax Reform



Now today, on FDL's front page, is Denis Kucinch, announcing he'll investigate the Treasury department's decision to approve the $800 billion commitment to Fannie/Freddie.

This is about transparency and oversight? I think not. It's about an attention monger who has picked up the cause of a blogger who has proclaimed herself a leader of the progressive movement and sided with the likes of Grover Norquist. Unfortunately, Kucinich doesn't realize he's being used.

Norquist is smart. He's picked two of the most popular members of the far left and has used them to lead the charge to take out the Chief of Staff. And he's got many people here signing on. Well played Grover, well played.

Let's spend tens of millions of dollars on another Whitewater investigation that will uncover nothing and instead impede legislative and policy progress. Yes, this is anything but progressive. It's down right destructive. And it's exactly what the GOP wants.
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-30-09 04:03 PM
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1. Ug. Im too apathetic to care anymore
Probably because of Rahm. But, eh, I really don't give a shit about it or your angst against it
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Bjorn Against Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-30-09 04:03 PM
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2. The only witch hunt I see is a witch hunt against Jane Hamsher
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-30-09 04:09 PM
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10. Poor little Jane... She banged her Gong and got some attention
but it's not the kind she wanted.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-30-09 04:04 PM
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3. good GAWD, how many threads will you start about this...?
Slow news day? There must be something else to whine about!
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-30-09 04:06 PM
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7. This thread expands on the last. It demonstrates the link between Hamsher/Norquist's request
and Kucinich's investigation.
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freddie mertz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-30-09 04:25 PM
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26. I see no link whatsoever, beyond the "link" on Hamsher's site.
Which we now have thanks to you.

Give it a rest, maybe one day?
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-30-09 04:04 PM
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4. Norquist must be cackling under his greatcoat that he has the
manipulative skills necessary to bend the wills of people like Hamsher and Kucinich to his ends.

Shame on Jane Hamsher for licking those boots.
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-30-09 04:05 PM
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5. +1
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-30-09 04:07 PM
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8. Yes, he must be. But it was Rahm's issue to lose.
You can only hammer your base for so many weeks before their purple bruises piss them off.

Grover Norquist gives scum a bad name. What does it mean that liberals are teaming up with him?

More than one thing but mostly, that they feel cut out of the process and that was unnecessary.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-30-09 04:09 PM
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11. I disagree that Obama's political fortunes are as strongly tied to
Edited on Wed Dec-30-09 04:23 PM by saltpoint
his selection of Rahm as Chief of Staff as some here suggest is the case. Related, certainly, but not wholly dependent upon.

If Jane Hamsher feels cut out of the process I would ask her why she's the one holding the scissors.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-30-09 04:11 PM
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13. Rahm is the mouthpiece. This has little to do with Jane.
If it wasn't her, imho, it'd be someone else.

Rahm needs to learn how to interact with all the contingents in our party and he needs to stop slamming the left. That doesn't mean giving the left anything but he has to pretend to respect us.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-30-09 04:16 PM
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17. If Hamsher is "the Left," then respect is not owed.
We certainly did not hear the righteous Ms. Hamsher calling for repeated investigations of Andy Card, despite his extremely questionable connections and holdings. We heard damn few peeps about "transparency" during the Bush administration from Hamsher, or if we did, it was the mildest of yoo-hoos compared with the ferocity of her assault here.

Shame on her. She ought to know better, and probably does, but her narcissism is expansive and likely incurable.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-30-09 04:18 PM
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18. Well said and could be a post all on it's own by expanding on Hamsher's ignorance
of such abuses in the Bush administration.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-30-09 04:22 PM
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21. Do you have The Google, berni?
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-30-09 04:24 PM
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23. Why don't you point me to where Hamsher called for the resignation of Card and joined hands
with Norquist on that.
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-30-09 04:20 PM
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19. Exactly.
Too many are letting her beat them over their heads, while bowing down to her BS.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-30-09 04:22 PM
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20. Yes, we did hear that. This is only one article that I get from a 2 second search
snip

"My personal favorite moment came when Fitzgerald began questioning Libby about the declassification of the NIE, which Libby claimed the President could do simply by waving a magic wand. Fitzgerald comes off as something of a boy scout and you could tell it just did not sit well with him that something so sensitive as the NIE (which was also under review at the time for declassification by Tenet, Rice, Hadley and Andrew Card) was breezily declassified simply to leak to a journalist for PR purposes. His misgivings were seemingly compounded by the fact that nobody bothered to tell anyone about the declassification, and when he asked Libby if this was common practice he sounded like he was gazing on some grubby little urchin making mud pies in the sandbox with Mom's fine china. Libby was squirming -- even he knew this was making him sound like a complete bonehead. As the NYT notes today, "It may be that kind of cross-examination from Mr. Fitzgerald that the defense hopes to avoid if it keeps Mr. Libby off the stand." Ya think?"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jane-hamsher/scooter-agonistes_b_40604.html
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-30-09 04:25 PM
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25. Sorry, don't see where she sent a letter to the AG nor did she join forces with
anyone on the right. Hmmm.

All talk then, action now.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-30-09 04:30 PM
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28. Could that possibly be because "our" party is in power now?
Seriously.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-30-09 04:26 PM
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27. Nope. That's tart prose but it does not in any way match the
hissy-fit she's throwing against the Obama administration.

This is a woman, EFerrari, who in effect threatened to primary Bernie Sanders, the most left-leaning member of ANY U.S. Congress.

Now that's completely unstable. Admit it. She's a shrieking narcissist who can't impose her limitations onto the real world landscape and so she's licking Grover Norquist's boots to draw attention to herself. She's driving toward the edge of the cliff and with Norquist, she's definitely flooring it.

And that fool Kucinich is riding right along.

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-30-09 04:05 PM
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6. You don't know it will uncover nothing.
And frankly, Rahm should have expected blowback after his casual, systematic abuse of the left.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-30-09 04:08 PM
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9. The problem with Witch Hunt Investigations is that anything that they "uncover"
will be twisted onto the person who is the target of the witch hunt.

Yes Bill was having sex with Monica. Did that warrant a $25 million investigation?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-30-09 04:09 PM
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12. I understand that and agree. This is finally about the right wing owned media.
But no one can claim that Rahm didn't set himself and his boss up for this. :shrug:
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-30-09 04:11 PM
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14. You need to explain how this is all Rahm's fault.
Cause I don't see how he's brought this kind of witch hunt upon himself.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-30-09 04:23 PM
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22. Really? You think he could have just kept bashing the left forever
with no consequence?
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-30-09 04:34 PM
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29. Perhaps it's the fault of the left for constantly bashing Emanuel even before he took office.
That road goes both ways.

And I can certainly point you to the left's hatred of Rahm before the administration was in power, before Rahm supposedly started "bashing the left".
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-30-09 04:36 PM
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30. Being a leader means setting the tone. n/t
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-30-09 06:04 PM
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38. YES! Being a leader means setting the tone!!!
Oh, but I'm not talkin' 'bout Rahm, sistah.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 09:27 AM
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46. Norquist is flatly toxic. Hamsher is manipulating his
notoriety to generate conflict because the Obama administration is not sufficiently left enough for her. She acts out of spite, not noble idealism. If she acted for pure motive she'd act alone without the toxic alliance.

She has become a toxic presence now, having visited the lair of the beast, and brings back lethal germs to kill off the village peasantry.

As for setting tone, it does not appear that Hamsher / Norquist / Kucinich are our go-to leaders on this one.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 09:32 AM
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49. How dare we have opinions!
No, it doesn't go both ways. Politicians are accountable to us, not the other way around.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-30-09 04:13 PM
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15. It wouldn't have if he hadn't tried to cover it up.
If he had come out after the disclosure about Monica and said, "Yeah, So what?" instead of playing the victimized innocent no investigation would have been necessary.

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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-30-09 04:15 PM
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16. It wasn't necessary to investigate it in the first place! It's all Clinton's fault now, right?
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freddie mertz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-30-09 04:24 PM
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24. Unrec for redundancy. Who cares anymore?
How many more threads do we need on this?


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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-30-09 06:36 PM
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40. Wow, 3rd person who said they don't care anymore. Then why bother responding to this post or unrec
it? If you don't care, then why do anything?

I think all the Rahm haters are on the same talking point now though. Good job.
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freddie mertz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-30-09 07:17 PM
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41. I posted to express my contempt for it.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-30-09 07:18 PM
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42. You only care enough to be express contempt. Got it. Great progressive attitude.
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freddie mertz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 07:54 AM
Response to Reply #42
44. In this I am far from alone. You are just trying to whip up division.
Which is worthy of contempt and little else.

Have a happy and reflective New Year.
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Tailormyst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 09:30 AM
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48. I noticed that too !
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-30-09 04:36 PM
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31. Carlos???


better watch that blood pressure!
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-30-09 04:56 PM
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32. Maybe it's about Rahm sellling out our party and America
Edited on Wed Dec-30-09 04:58 PM by Generator
Your obsession with Jane Hamsher-who had breast cancer and that's why the health care bill is so important to her is, well, weird. She never crowned herself the head of the progressive movement. That's something you and others made up because you hate her because she dares to take on Obama and his right hand Rove, Rahm.

Daily Kos, The Huffington post and Howard Dean are much more popular. I don't really necessarily agree with her on Norquist. But she believes what she is doing. All you and people like you EVER do is defend Obama. He sold us out on health care not Jane Hamsher. He has power. He is the president. He's not some barely known blogger. I would have never heard of her it it wasn't for DU.

And then to top it all off-we are FAR LEFT. Yeah, buddy people that want an open government and try to tell the truth like Kucinich-one of very few in congress are the enemy of YOU. Absurd again. I am not FAR LEFT. Nor is Hamsher or Kucinich or Dean or any of the others that Obama and Rahm and now you-some poor guy with a family with health problems is attacking.

And Rahm is as corrupt as the come. So what does that say about Obama? What the GOP wants are you kidding? Not the tea baggers and the Palins of the world-but the real power makers have everything they want with Obama and Rahm.


But nothing for you and your family.

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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-30-09 05:55 PM
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34. Obsession...all you people... like labels much? And I'm sorry she had breast cancer
I have two children both who have a chronic disease. HCR is as important to me as it is to her or anyone else, so go take your righteous indignation and shove it where the sun don't shine.

She has appointed herself as a progressive leader and she shines a spotlight on herself when she enlists teabaggers in her cause, goes on Fox News and joins hands with Grover Norquist in a witch hunt against the Administration.

If you believe she is on a valiant quest, you are sadly fooled my friend, and fooled once again by the very people you despise. Obama has not abandoned anything. He's been pushing Congress to do their job. Could he have pushed harder? I think so, but I also am not privy to what's going on in all the negoations. The bottom line is you'll never convince Lieberman to go with a PO, let alone Single Payer. So the Democrats have done what they can, get as close to a PO as they can without calling it that.

But go ahead down this destructive path. You'll find out how fast you can reach... nothing.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-30-09 05:45 PM
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33. Wish my Rec meant something--you've struck a nerve with the unwreckers. Kick, though.
:kick:
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-30-09 05:58 PM
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35. Fuck Rahm Emanuel
The sooner that piece of shit gets taken down, the better for the country.
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seeinfweggos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-30-09 06:00 PM
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36. Sincerely,
Jane Hamsher
FiredogLake.com

Grover Norquist
Americans for Tax Reform

'nuf said
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-30-09 06:01 PM
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37. Indeed.
That duo just about wraps it up for me, too.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-30-09 06:05 PM
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39. I guess the blogs thought they'd be clever and beat the right to the 'full time investigation'
Edited on Wed Dec-30-09 06:06 PM by HughMoran
:think:
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Raineyb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-30-09 07:27 PM
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43. Witch hunt? Pot meet kettle. n/t
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Umbral Donating Member (969 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 09:10 AM
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45. Good, Kucinich has my full support. nt
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Tailormyst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 09:29 AM
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47. We get it- you love Rahm.
Anything Rahm does is great. Anyone speaking out against Rahm is the enemy and must be brought down.

Your posts are nothing if not predictable and amusing.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 09:32 AM
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50. Thanks, but I really don't care what a noob thinks about predicting my posts.
Why don't you go read my journal. You'll see I'm neither a Rahm lover, nor predictable. But go ahead and tell people what they are. That works really well when you don't have a substantive argument.
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Tailormyst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 09:34 AM
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51. Your recent obsessive posts sure make it seem that way.
Do you feel like a big man now- slapping down that "noob" for daring to speak to you? You truly are laughable.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 11:34 AM
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52. Really, 3 posts on three different issues involving Hamsher is an obsession? You need to seek help.
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Tailormyst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 01:16 PM
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53. Oh yes, I'll get right on that.
:eyes:

I think you are taking internet chat a little to seriously, Bernie. It's New Years, have a drink of champagne and relax a little!
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