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bluestateguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 06:45 PM Original message |
What would you actually do to fix public education? |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 06:48 PM Response to Original message |
1. De-centralize, then give the locally controlled school districts lots of taxpayer money. |
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liberal_at_heart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 06:49 PM Response to Original message |
2. get rid of some of the administrative positions and reallocate the money |
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Sen. Walter Sobchak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 06:51 PM Response to Original message |
3. according to the ex-public school teachers I know, LET TEACHERS BE TEACHERS |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 07:02 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. But we need alternative programs for those kids |
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Sen. Walter Sobchak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 07:18 PM Response to Reply #6 |
17. and if they don't want to be educated? |
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MichiganVote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 07:42 PM Response to Reply #17 |
27. Actually I've seen it work both ways. If the kids know they have a strong judge/PO |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 07:42 PM Response to Reply #17 |
28. They are kids; it's not about what they WANT |
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Sen. Walter Sobchak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 08:01 PM Response to Reply #28 |
35. you aren't telling a 200lbs gang member to do anything |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 08:12 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. I've taught more than a few of those 200 lb gang members |
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Tim01 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 08:17 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. Armed guards in the classroom. Good idea. nt |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 08:20 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. Not in all classrooms |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-01-10 11:39 AM Response to Reply #37 |
69. Poverty breeds violence . . . tackle poverty first -- |
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Sen. Walter Sobchak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 08:28 PM Response to Reply #36 |
41. That sounds like something out of an old Chris Rock routine |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 08:57 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. Chris gets it right sometimes |
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salin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-01-10 11:38 AM Response to Reply #36 |
66. +10 |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-01-10 11:30 AM Response to Reply #35 |
63. Suggesting that our students are criminals is not an attitude which helps kids learn anything... |
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Tim01 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 07:40 PM Response to Reply #3 |
26. Thank you. nt |
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lostnfound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-01-10 12:42 PM Response to Reply #3 |
79. Decentralize. And shut down the Cartoon Network. ;) |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 07:00 PM Response to Original message |
4. Turn schools into community centers |
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Jeff In Milwaukee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-01-10 11:37 AM Response to Reply #4 |
65. Awesome idea.... |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-02-10 01:37 AM Response to Reply #65 |
93. yeah, they just passed a bond in my town |
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Dinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-01-10 11:54 AM Response to Reply #4 |
76. Excellent, As Usual (nt) |
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msongs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 07:00 PM Response to Original message |
5. figure out how to make parents more responsible for school outcomes for their kids.... nt |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 07:04 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. Make them want to be involved |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-01-10 12:36 PM Response to Reply #8 |
78. Having worked in the Adult Ed school here in New Haven I noticed something |
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Sen. Walter Sobchak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 08:22 PM Response to Reply #5 |
39. that unfortunately becomes a matter of values, |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-01-10 11:34 AM Response to Reply #5 |
64. If schools are underfinanced, poorly supplied, and in very poor neighborhoods . . . |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 07:02 PM Response to Original message |
7. Get the feds out of education, one band-aid does not fit all wounds |
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MichiganVote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 07:08 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. Amen to that. The Fed's and the State Ed. Dept.'s are the culprits. |
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MichiganVote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 07:27 PM Response to Reply #11 |
18. Self delete |
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MichiganVote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 07:37 PM Response to Reply #7 |
24. Depends on what is meant by "improving". Buildings? Sure, they need to be updated for |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-01-10 11:38 AM Response to Reply #7 |
67. We need more federal financing of schools -- and federal assistance in shoring up states |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 07:05 PM Original message |
Here: |
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tonysam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 07:05 PM Response to Original message |
9. My suggestions, which go to the heart of what is wrong with public education |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 07:08 PM Response to Original message |
10. IMO there needs to be fundamental change away from the industrial age factory-school model. |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 07:17 PM Response to Reply #10 |
15. Well said, a good point. Kids are not widgets that are manufactured. |
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lostnfound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-01-10 12:44 PM Response to Reply #10 |
80. +1 And "smaller is better" would be one way to get rid of the 'factory-school' |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-01-10 02:10 PM Response to Reply #80 |
85. I agree! |
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walldude (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 07:11 PM Response to Original message |
12. Stop demonizing teachers.. |
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femmocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 07:18 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. +1 |
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MichiganVote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 07:32 PM Response to Reply #12 |
20. +1 |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 07:46 PM Response to Reply #12 |
29. +1 |
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walldude (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 07:50 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. Reminds me of the old Bumper Sticker |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-01-10 11:39 AM Response to Reply #12 |
68. +1000% ... and stop demonizing unions --- |
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Posteritatis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-01-10 11:49 AM Response to Reply #12 |
73. Not just the right; there's plenty of teacher demonizing here. (nt) |
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lunatica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 07:11 PM Response to Original message |
13. I went to a British school for a few years |
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MichiganVote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 07:35 PM Response to Reply #13 |
23. And some private schools do not teach critical thinking, leadership etc. |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 07:12 PM Response to Original message |
14. Publicly sacrifice the meanest student per grade, per school, each year to bring good luck. |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 07:31 PM Response to Original message |
19. Get property taxes out of the mix? |
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MichiganVote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 07:34 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. Michigan did that. The lottery would fix it all. Well guess what? Now that's screwed up too. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 08:22 PM Response to Reply #21 |
40. Same here |
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MichiganVote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 11:45 PM Response to Reply #40 |
48. Yup. Happy New Education Year btw. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 11:49 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. Happy New Year to you too! |
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quaker bill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 07:34 PM Response to Original message |
22. Fund it |
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bhikkhu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-01-10 01:46 AM Response to Reply #22 |
51. You beat me to it |
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liberal N proud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 07:38 PM Response to Original message |
25. Stop teaching to standardized tests |
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Posteritatis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-01-10 11:51 AM Response to Reply #25 |
74. I can get behind dumping standardized tests |
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frazzled (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 07:47 PM Response to Original message |
30. Pair elementary schools--making one K-3, and the other 4-6, then ... |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 07:50 PM Response to Original message |
32. We'd need a society-wide effort |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 07:56 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. +1 |
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lunatica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 10:32 PM Response to Reply #32 |
43. You've given this a lot of thought. Are you a teacher? |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 11:06 PM Response to Reply #43 |
46. No, but I'm a former college professor who taught a lot of graduates |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-01-10 11:41 AM Response to Reply #32 |
70. Terrific post -- !!! |
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DefenseLawyer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 07:51 PM Response to Original message |
33. I would de-consolidate schools and end standardized testing. |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 10:39 PM Response to Original message |
44. Reduce power of teacher unions |
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tonysam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 11:15 PM Response to Reply #44 |
47. What are you talking about? Unions have little power. |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-02-10 12:31 AM Response to Reply #47 |
91. Not in Rhode Island |
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MichiganVote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 11:49 PM Response to Reply #44 |
49. And you know what exactly about Teachers Unions? |
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varelse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 10:43 PM Response to Original message |
45. Stop buying the neocon meme that it's broken (nt) |
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1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-01-10 01:57 AM Response to Reply #45 |
52. aside from the fact that it is broken, i might agree with you... |
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quaker bill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-01-10 07:48 AM Response to Reply #52 |
56. It was broken with intent |
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tonysam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-01-10 11:16 AM Response to Reply #52 |
60. Public education is not a broken system. |
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salin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-01-10 11:43 AM Response to Reply #60 |
71. On the whole, I would agree... however there are some broken urban districts |
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Posteritatis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-01-10 11:53 AM Response to Reply #45 |
75. Haven't attended or taught classes lately, I see. (nt) |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-01-10 03:24 AM Response to Original message |
53. I think most people could list any number of things to improve schools. But I think it's not the |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-01-10 11:26 AM Response to Reply #53 |
62. Agree . . . especially that kids want to learn and IMO are turned off by the |
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Trillo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-01-10 11:48 AM Response to Reply #53 |
72. economic surplus |
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salin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-01-10 12:11 PM Response to Reply #53 |
77. Very thought-provoking post. |
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wickerwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-01-10 03:42 AM Response to Original message |
54. Pay scientists more than sports stars. |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-01-10 07:41 AM Response to Original message |
55. I don't think the current system is fixable. |
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quaker bill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-01-10 08:10 AM Response to Reply #55 |
57. Children have not changed |
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Igel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-01-10 10:25 PM Response to Reply #57 |
89. Is the income an independent or dependent variable? |
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tonysam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-01-10 11:14 AM Response to Reply #55 |
59. It worked in previous generations, and it could work now. |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-01-10 02:25 PM Response to Reply #59 |
86. It only worked for some kids. Same as now. nt |
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RedCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-01-10 10:02 AM Response to Original message |
58. make helicopter parents sit in a room and decide whose child deserves better. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-01-10 11:22 AM Response to Original message |
61. For one, repair the schools and properly fund them . . . |
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Orsino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-01-10 12:51 PM Response to Original message |
81. Fund it. |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-01-10 02:06 PM Response to Reply #81 |
84. We already spend more money per student |
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Orsino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-01-10 04:37 PM Response to Reply #84 |
88. We should spend more per student... |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-01-10 01:01 PM Response to Original message |
82. What, no response? |
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Vidar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-01-10 01:19 PM Response to Original message |
83. End charter schools & require all administrators to teach at least one class. |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-01-10 04:08 PM Response to Original message |
87. Require every politician |
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DailyGrind51 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-01-10 11:27 PM Response to Original message |
90. Bring back self-contained classrooms for Behavior Disordered students. |
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bluestateguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-02-10 01:21 AM Response to Original message |
92. we should boot the incorrigible, rotten, violent chronic thugs |
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Blecht (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-02-10 01:58 AM Response to Original message |
94. Tax the fuck out of the rich |
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