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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 08:13 PM
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Are McCain and Giuliani trying to outdumb each other?
Because that seems to be the only likely explanation. It's like one is trying to top the other in stupidness so they can appeal to the Republican base.

I thought being dumb went out in GOP circles with Macaca and the midterms. I mean you get the impression even idiots are looking at Bush now and saying: "Wow, that guy is too stupid to be president."

Typically Rudy and McCain. Always flip-flopping to pander to the voters. Those guys would sell their soul to get a vote.

That is...

unless they truly are that stupid.

Yikes.
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 08:17 PM
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1. More and more, I agree with 'outdumb'
They really aren't stupid...they think we are, and they're wrong.

Good to see you here, my friend. :hi:
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 12:05 AM
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7. oh yeah good to see you too
I fully expect McCain to start stuttering his words and saying things like "misunderestimate" any day now. :)
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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 08:28 PM
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2. What is it with the GOP and being an "anti-intellectual?"
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HawkerHurricane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 09:13 PM
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4. Appealing to thier base.
People who think too much, who consider the questions carefully, people who say "Yes, but..." don't vote Republican.

Peopel who go 'from the gut', who judge from first impressions, people who say "Yes! No doubts!" vote Republican.
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 12:14 AM
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8. they equate it to snobbery
"Oh those rich, cheese-eating libruls think they are so much smarter and better than everybody else, but they haven't been in the real world....."

So that's why it was Bush's gut and Bush as a man of action who provided great leadership all throughout the last two campaigns. Gore was "too smart" almost like he was sneaky etc. That's why he was a serial exaggerator. Bush, on the otherhand, wasn't the smartest guy around, but he is the sort of guy who a regular Joe would like to have a beer with and the man would NEVER EVER tell a lie. Also he was God-fearing and tough too.

Then John Kerry, well, he was a chess player. He'd think through everything for so long that while he was thinking the terrorists would be blowing up the country. Bush would just use his instincts and whip some ass. Plus, Kerry was rich, he spoke "French" hell, he even looked "French." While he was out windsailing with Buffy and Muffy and all his friends Bush was doing manly stuff like clearing brush on his ranch with a chainsaw and hunting and fishing.

Anti-intellectualism is a way for elitist Republicans to turn people against Dems and make themselves look like regular Joe effing Sixpacks. Little do people realize that "regular" guys like Bush are nothing but spoiled snobs themselves who would rather die before they ever did anything for regular people.
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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 07:54 PM
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13. Wetzelbill... great post!
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bklyncowgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 08:39 PM
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3. McCain and Giuliani have to appeal to the 30% who think the war is going great.
If either McCain or Guiliani were to say that the war is not going well, the Republican base who they must appeal to in order to win the nomination would crucify them. These are people who believe that Bush is doing an excellent job, that the surge is working and that if only the media would show the good things happening in Iraq, the American people would understand what a great president we have in George W. Bush.

It's just so much fun to watch.
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 12:04 AM
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6. I get the feeling that Romney must feel cheated here
He must be angry because he actually is authentically stupid. :)

Rudy, I mean, wow he didn't even know the price of milk or bread? That was either him being an idiot or brilliant strategery. :)
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bklyncowgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 06:41 AM
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9. I'll give Giuliani a pass on the milk thing--but yeah Romney is authentically stupid
I doubt very much that any of the candidates have been logging much time in the grocery stores lately.

McCain is either pandering to beat the band or is displaying early symptoms of Alzheimer's disease. Giuliani is a weasel, has always been a weasel and always will be a weasel. The sheer accident that he was on the streets of New York City, having had to abandon his command post which was at 7 World Trade Center, as the Center towers collapsed behind him giving Americans a glimpse of what appeared to be a genuine American hero--though to give him credit, he like thousands of other New Yorkers kept his head--has put him on the national stage.

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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 09:20 PM
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5. It comes with shifting to the right..
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 06:42 AM
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10. Don't leave out Tommy Thompson, coming out of the gate talking
about Jews being good at earning money (or something like that).
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 09:58 AM
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11. oh yes
Good one!

You have to wonder what that guy was thinking. I almost have to accept his excuse, that he was tired and not feeling well and made a mistake. Why? Because that was such a dumb thing to say that he something had to be wrong for him to say it.

Why is it when Republicans get off script and off message they always sound moronic? It's like any RWer with any brains doesn't run for office, they just get some dim-witted frontman to do it for them and then run shit from behind the scenes.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 10:02 AM
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12. Don't underestimate--none of these three are dumb. They are far
above Chimpy in intelligence. They are just doing what it takes to appeal to their base, as someone mentioned above. During the general, Rove will help the nominee steer the message back to a centrist position, and many will be fooled.
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