Kim Basinger is so full of crap!

Actress Kim Basinger broke her silence Monday and denied that she leaked the angry and threatening tirade that her ex-husband Alec Baldwin left on their daughter's voicemail. She called Baldwin "unstable" and "irrational," and said she had hired security after the media storm that followed the release of the voicemail, "to allow Ireland to maintain her regular routine."

"Kim Basinger did not release the voicemail. Additionally, the voicemail was not sealed under a court order," read a statement released by her publicist Annett Wolf. "Everybody is always asking why this custody battle has been going on for so many years, and now they have the answer. The issue is not about Kim or the alleged alienation that Alec constantly refers to; it is about his ongoing aggressive behavior. Kim's sincerest wish is for him to finally address his unstable and irrational behavior so he, at some point, can potentially create a relationship with his daughter. Until then, Kim will continue to protect and safeguard her child's well-being as any parent would."
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-et-basingerapr24,0,5459394.story?coll=la-home-entertainment

A shorter Kim Basinger:

Uh---I didn't release the voice mail---but hey, did you notice that Alec is unstable and has irrational behavior.

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Thirdsy


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Are you?

Because his two and a half minute, threatening, name calling tirade really crossed the line.

He cares more about how this tape is going to affect his career then he does about his daughter.

Kim's statement says that the tape was not sealed under court order, but it doesn't say if or when she gave the tape to any court. Also, the news report doesn't specify when the family court judge listened to it. I believe Kim's behind the leak (giving the tape to her publicist, lawyer, or other ally so she can "truthfully" deny that she herself did it) because if it had been leaked through the court, she wouldn't have waited three days to start screaming bloody murder about how it would make things worse for her daughter!

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rocknation

I don't know how many of the posters out there have been an 11 year old who is talked to like this child was, but I am sure she is angry and hurt about it. This is reportedly not the first time he has spoken to her this way. Eleven year olds are sophisticated and intelligent--chances are she knows how to use that cell phone better than either of her parents. Chances are she knows how to post that clip to the website or that she has friends who know how to do it.

She is basically powerless in this situation. She has had no way to fight back--until now.

PNWMOM wins the prize.

Narcissist Alec cares more about the damage that tape will do to HIM than what it will do to his child. He verbally beat the crap out of her - for NOTHING. Because he's angry at her Mom.

It's NO excuse. The man has NO ONE else to blame for his tirade other than himself.

Kim needs to get a restraining order against him and HE needs to get his butt into therapy.

I can't think about Iraq 24/7, and it doesn't make be "bad" because I don't. Nor anyone else.

that's who. She is a classic example - so innocent and underhanded.

without anyone else's help?

Listening to that tirade, I don't blame his daughter for wanting to avoid him, if that's what happened.

...blaming Kim for it. Typical abuser. Verbally and emotionally abuse the cr*p out of someone - then when confronted with his behavior- blame THE VICTIM (or the victim's mother) for HIS behavior.

Pooor little Alec.

Puh. I have no pity for the man. He needs therapy - BEFORE he's ever allowed contact with Ireland again. Maybe he needs to be put on some Paxil or something.

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when they hear it.

I'm not talking about you, proud2Blib, but in other threads.

...people seem to be in deep denial about the ABUSE Baldwin inflicted on his child and that he no doubt has inflicted on Kim numerous times. Alec Baldwin IS MENTALLY UNSTABLE, IMO. And, he's an ABUSER.

I just hate to see us obsessing over this when there are so many important things going on.

But I get your point and it is a very valid one. Thanks! :hi:

All it takes is one enterprising court clerk to get that voicemail to the media. I'm inclined to believe Basinger.

Also, the girl could have forwarded the voicemail onto one of her friends, and from there it could have gone anywhere.

I doubt very much she made copies of the damn thing. Alec is so filled with hate he is to stupid to even consider someone with the court did this.

by anyone in the house -- a maid, for instance. Or the girl, or one of her friends.

Anyone could have legally obtained it.

in the middle of a contentious relationship should not be surprised when their actions are made public. It pays to be-careful and especially when it involves interaction with your children and leaving rants on answering machines, that's really stupid.

are forever, or can be anyway.

he was out of control when he made that recording.

but I played for them once in a restaurant, and they were two of the nicest people I ever met. It's just sad to see how far down they've sunk.

She's what, 11? The kids these days are so high-tech - she probably just forwarded it to a close friend over the cellular ether, who then burned it to a zip drive and voiped it over to another friend who then downloaded it onto an ipod and broadcast it to her "favorite five" with her thumbs during math class, three of which had posted it on their myspace sites before the next bell. Something like that, right?

I damn sure don't.

And it appears that daddy is a freak.

I personally love the "Hide Thread" feature.

and Genralissimo Franco is still dead!

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Maybe SHE should divorce THEM.

the girl would never treat her mother that way, maybe those two have a better relationship. I hope so, for the girl's sake.

"Hmmmm, will I be staying in Beverly Hills or Manhattan this weekend... Oh, the stress of being a millionaire child..."

and that's always miserable.

Riches don't make a person happy after all. Having a stable home life generally is a good start though.

To say otherwise is ignorant.

is far better off than a rich kid who doesn't.

Both Alec and Kim love Ireland. So your post was irrelevant.

Unfortunately, lots of abusers think they act out of love, but not all people -- narcissists for example -- are capable of that emotion.

If his venom was related to drinking, but he does truly love her, then he needs to stop drinking and get help.

Hopefully you're right about him and he's never done anything like that before -- and won't ever again.

No matter how rich your parents are -- if they're bullies, you suffer.

I find it extremely offensive that anyone would think it's Ok to verbally or otherwise abuse a child, just because the child comes from wealth. "Child" is the part that's important and abuse is abuse. All the deflecting and defending around here is worrisome, belligerent, non-progressive, ignorant and strange and off-putting.
Lee

This is not...



Poor kid...



Not a poor kid...

as long as they have money?

Sure, in terms of monetary wealth any American is rich compared to the rest of the world. But I'm not talking about dollars and cents here. I'm talking about love.

And you can't tell me which of the children in those pictures are loved by good parents, and which are not. Money doesn't factor in that equation.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Basinger

.... Basinger is of German, Irish, Swedish and one-eighth Cherokee descent.

When Kim Basinger was 16 years old, she started her modelling career by entering and winning the Athens Junior Miss contest. She followed that up by winning the title of “Junior Miss Georgia.” Basinger then headed to New York City to compete in the national Junior Miss pageant. It was there that Basinger was approached by fashion modeling mogul Eileen Ford, who offered the young beauty queen a modeling contract with Ford Modeling Agency. Initially turning down the offer in favor of singing and acting, Basinger reconsidered and headed back to New York to become a Ford model.

Not long after penning the deal, Basinger’s face graced numerous magazine covers and she also appeared in hundred of ads throughout the early ‘70s, most notably appearing as the Breck shampoo girl. She achieved a top model status by age 20, earning a salary of $1,000 a day. In the meantime, she alternated between modeling work and attending acting classes at the prestigious Neighborhood Playhouse as well as performing in various Greenwich Village clubs. ....

Basinger's mother was a model as well. She has four siblings: two brothers, Mick (who is a marketing director) and Skip, and two sisters, Ashley and Barbara. Basinger suffers from agoraphobia, which is a form of an anxiety disorder, the abnormal fear of experiencing a difficult or embarrassing situation, such as a panic attack, in a public place. ....

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but if someone wants to comment on something else it's their right as it's your right to ignore them.

But I do think we can be concerned with both verbal abuse and the war. Both/and

acknowledged she was a child during his tirade and said he did not care, cussed severely saying "god damn", and insulted her mother in front of her. Those things are not "discipline," they're verbal abuse.

I think it's doubtful that's the only time he's verbally abused them considering his reputation, and that venemous message he sent to his 11 year old daughter (or is she 12 - he didn't know.)

He should be ashamed of himself, and so should his knee-jerk defenders.

That bitch. The way she acts...that little brat of her's deserves to be called a pig. Poor poor Baldwin, forced to yell at his own daughter that way.

that that kind of parenting would drive any child away, is beyond me.

...all by himself.

He's a verbally and emotionally abusive schmuck. And he ought to be FORBIDDEN to see or interact with her until HE gets some counselling and anger management help.

His behavior towards an 11-year old was UNACCEPTABLE. I don't care WHAT is going on between he and Kim.

And if he berated Ireland that way - IMAGINE what he's done to Kim...

but this was big time set up by Kim as leverage for their custody battle.

just because they like his politics. If he were a right winger would anyone here be defending him? Of course not. Bottom line is that Baldwin was caught verbally beating up his very young daughter. He's a bully and needs to check himself.

And people here need to stop making excuses for him.

last spring, during the height of the Duke debacle. The accused had to be guilty, because they "looked" like Republicans (seriously, people here were saying that), and Nifong had to be right because he was a Democrat.

All right wingers whine about is how soft liberals are on their kids. "Waahhhhhh! If they disciplined their kids we wouldn't have had these school shootings. Waaahhhh!"

If repugs had the balls not to be such hypocrites, they'd be kissing Baldwin's ass right about now.

Sounded more like a rant to me.

Like, where they yell at you until you shoo...er, become a better person. I dunno, I don't get abuse apologists.

:eyes: Seriously, you should give seminars on how easy it is to be so perfect!

...I don't care if he's a Dem. He's a very sick person and he needs therapy. His behavior was INEXCUSEABLE. I can just IMAGINE what he did and said to KIM during their marriage. Domestic terrorism. Verbal abuse. Emotional abuse. Maybe physical abuse.

He gets NO pass from me!

...why?

I care about the kid mostly.

used as pawn in emotionally damaging fashion"...




The reason this is news (or should I say,... "NEWZ™" ...) is because our Corporate Media keeps dangling meaningless celebrity bullshit bread and circus crap to keep the masses distracted.

Sorry, she couldn't have done anything wrong. Just LOOK at her! :evilgrin:

using their own child as a pawn in their demented acrimonious relationship is sick

Having listened to his tirade, I think there's evidence he has a problem with anger management, and that his daughter might have a good reason not to want to be around him.

I've been involved in an insane child custody battle myself and laid down in the road to make sure my daughter wasn't hit by incoming. It was a nightmare. And when I split with my son's father when I was 4 months pregnant, I said screw you guys, I'm raising this one on my own. And I did.

I recognize the ugly on both sides. If you can't or don't and wish to lay blame on one side or the other, have at. But in my opinion and from my experience they both qualify for some blame coming their way for this pathetic morality play being played out in the press.

I only hope there are plenty of counselors on tap for this fractious existence and that at one point one or both parents has an epiphany and realize(s) that life goes on and their most important job in this life is to raise their children to be decent human beings.

...(do you even KNOW what that means? It's NOT just physical abuse with fists), then HE is primarily responsible for destroying his marriage and his relationship with his own child. In an abusive relationship - THE ABUSE IS THE PROBLEM. There are no others that are not related to the abuse. INCLUDING the victim's anger, horror, and her wish for NO CONTACT with her abuser. AND her wish to protect her child from him and his horrifying tirades. Google "verbal abuse". Look up Lundy Bancroft and Patricia Evans and stop excusing domestic terrorism and angry abusive control freaks like Alec Baldwin!

Unless YOU have been in an abusive relationship, you do NOT know what it's like. What we heard on that tape is just the very TIP of the iceberg.

This "blame the victim" meme is just all too common. Here's a HINT:

http://www.youarenotcrazy.com

For God's sake, educate yourselves before you start assigning blame.

I do know from personal experience; careful stepping down from your soapbox.

You do know what "both" means, right?

On edit: As vile as the tape was, having it replayed over and over again in the media was pretty abusive toward the child as well. And other than noting those points, I really don't think it is within my purview to comment on something with very few details otherwise known to me. You go right on ahead, though.

Christ.

But at this point in time there's public evidence of her father's abusive treatment, and no similar evidence on her mother's side.

The father claims, without offering evidence, that the mother released the tape, which she denies. Hopefully there is a good judge in the case.

...(T)hey both should be taken out back and horse-whipped...using their own child as a pawn in their demented acrimonious relationship...

As mad as I am as Alec, Kim SHOULD have turned the tape over to family court instead of using it as a weapon of "ex" destruction. She cared more about kicking Alec in the teeth than the consequences of re-humiliating her daughter on a global stage!

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rocknation

That is, if Kim didn't do it, and maybe we'll never know. He needs professional help. The child needs professional help. Kim needs to get her priorities straight because she should be raising hell over someone broadcasting this in the media. If he abuses the child, Kim should get a court order -- and not the court of public opinion, please. This is not rocket science.

Apparently some folks don't realize the inappropriateness of airing that tape, how it hurts the whole family and especially the child. This crazy shit belongs in Family Court. I've been there and this stuff can be handled much, much better.

believe Baldwin's claim that Basinger did it. She didn't have anything to gain in Court by this release, and much to lose, if she was responsible for it.

But having heard the tape, I can't believe how many people here claimed it was just normal parental yelling.

He spoke to his daughter in a vile manner. No white-washing that.

This family needs more counselors and less lawyers. And certainly not the tabloids.

And not a different one each time they go there.

He reportedly has yelled and cursed at her in public before. This was the only way she had to get back at him.

I can easily imagine an upset 11 year old forwarding a voicemail on to a best friend, who has her mother listen to it, etc.

Or someone who worked in the house could have passed it on.

I never thought Basinger did it because the Court was already taking it very seriously (had temporarily denied him vistation). It wasn't to Basinger's benefit to release this thing.

Yes. Have my spouse or I ever taken the other's comments and broadcast them and thereby humiliated our kids? Never.

This nonsense reflects poorly on both parents, but many parents have committed the same type of error as Baldwin, but would never in a million years do what Basinger did.

and abusive parents? Where the large majority of us fit?

people could have done it. Even the daughter could have forwarded the voicemail to one of her friends. It's only Baldwin's claim at this point that Basinger did it.

On the other hand, we know Baldwin raged at his daughter, and his temper tantrum crossed the line into verbal abuse.

such big news here? It's like if Richard Mellon Scaife cursed out his wife or kid on tape. Maybe news but hardly a dealbreaker for the Republicans.

Who cares? :shrug:

(Disclosure: this is the first DU thread on this I've opened. I'm aware of what Baldwin said to his daughter.)

And it's nice to talk with people of like mind. And this is "General Discussion"--this is the catch all for many many different topics, from the vitally important to the seemingly ridiculous.

And in a format like this one should be able to drop in or out of the discussion without fear of being told to shut up--which is often the case in face to face conversations around the water cooler.

Even before they were married. I've met them both, and she was a rude, ill-mannered thing.

She accused him of beating her darting their divorce, but dropped it as soon as she was asked for details.

I've seen so many people turn their kids against the other parent. UGH.