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arcadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 11:13 PM
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Didn't Clinton getting blown in the Oval office hurt Gore's 2000 Pres. run more than Nader?
Edited on Tue Jan-05-10 11:14 PM by arcadian
You know that it did. Nader bashers. :D
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 11:14 PM
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1. Doesn't matter.
Both the blowjob and Ralph Nader involve sucking.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 11:14 PM
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2. I'm thinking the most damage was the SCOTUS. nt
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 11:15 PM
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3. Gore trying to distance himself from Bill
hurt him more than either
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 01:32 AM
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35. BINGO -- especially choosing a sanctimonious tool as a running mate
Gore blew that election, not Nader. Even though Gore technically won, he still blew the election. It should have never been close enough to steal.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 12:54 AM
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51. The VP debate was impressive.
Lieberman actually managed to turn an ugly, corrupt and odious man with one of the most extremist voting records into a reasonable sounding almost grandfatherly like figure.

That one's gone down in forensics history as a sterling example of what not to do in such rhetorical settings.
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PizzaDriver Donating Member (42 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 04:54 AM
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39. exactly. nt
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 11:15 PM
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4. The Bill Clinton that left office with a 60% approval rating?
Edited on Tue Jan-05-10 11:16 PM by tritsofme
Probably not.

If not limited by the 22nd amendment, Clinton would have trounced the son like the father.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 11:15 PM
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5. Clinton would have been re-elected if he could have run for a 3rd term
Al Gore mismanaged his campaign like no other.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 11:18 PM
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6. Nader cost Gore the election and did it with GOP money.
If you don't like Nader bashers, you're in the wrong place.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 11:24 PM
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9. Nader is an attention whore
If he did something to try to build a third party in the off years instead of acting like an ass every 4 I'd have respect for him.

That being said, Gore ran a bad campaign.
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JamesA1102 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 11:52 PM
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23. He still got the most votes. nt
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 12:07 AM
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24. and lost TN
Where both he and his father were Senators....win TN, no talk of Florida.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 12:10 AM
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25. his father lost in TN also , Gore was more conservative as Senator From TN
than he was as VP and Candidate for Pres.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 12:34 AM
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31. I think his Dad lost due to his opposition to Viet Nam nt
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 12:27 AM
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29. Yes, he's in love with the sound of his own, annoying voice.
He hasn't done anything worthwhile in 40 years.
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 11:20 PM
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7. Clinton would've been Gore's biggest asset, but he was left on the bench.
The only people who cared about Bill's affair were partisan pea-brained Republicans and the VRWC of the corporate media. Gore's problem was that he bought into their false paradigm.
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 11:32 PM
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12. That's the impression that I got.
People *didn't* care about Bill's indiscretion (unless they already hated Bill Clinton). Gore should have grabbed onto Bill and held on with both hands.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 11:20 PM
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8. I dunno, but Gore-Lieberman has a totally different ring to me now, 10 years later!
:scared:
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 11:29 PM
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10. Clinton didn't get the blow job to hurt Gore, but Nader lied about Bush and Gore being the same
in order to hurt Gore's chances and give Bush a better chance of winning.
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arcadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 11:31 PM
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11. So, it's Nader's fault that Gore wasn't a better candidate?
Do you see the inherently failed logic in stating something like that?
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 11:33 PM
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13. Nader's lie "Bush=Gore" was Nader's fault.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 11:33 PM
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14. Why do you think people believe it? nt.
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 11:37 PM
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17. Complacency.
Edited on Tue Jan-05-10 11:37 PM by SemiCharmedQuark
I think Gore could have campaigned better. But he wasn't just fighting Bush. He was fighting Bush, Nader and the "I-hate-eggheads" media. Anyway, I doubt many people believe that Gore=Bush line any more.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 11:45 PM
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21. I don't buy that Gore=Bush, we'd be in better shape
but I'm under no illusion that Al Gore would have been a paragon of fighting for the middle class either.
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arcadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 11:34 PM
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15. Doesn't seem like a lie.
Seems more like an opinion.
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 11:35 PM
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16. An opinion that was flat out wrong.
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arcadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 11:38 PM
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18. In your opinion.
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 11:40 PM
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19. You think we'd be where we are now if Bush hadn't been inaugurated in 2001?
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arcadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 11:43 PM
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20. As it's been pointed out. The US Supreme Court appointed Bush.
Gore had 500,000 more votes than Bush in Florida. Bush was going to be President no matter what, the TPTB already had that set in stone.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 11:45 PM
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22. Nader and his supporters are wrong that Gore and Bush are the same
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Mopar151 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 12:22 AM
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26. Actually , Ralphie is wrong A LOT!
Has never held elective office, AFIK - which makes it highly unlikely he could get a f'n thing done in DC! He belongs on the trash heap of fringe canidates with acolytes rather than supporters - Paul, Perot, and the rest.
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BolivarianHero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 12:27 AM
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28. NAder's a fucking tool..
He sided with the fundietards on Terri Schiavo (as did homophobe and Saud Family apologist Jesse Jackson).
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arcadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 12:27 AM
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27. Want to try addressing what I actually said?
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 12:35 AM
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32. about Clinton blow job being worse than Nader lies about Gore and Bush being the same ?
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 12:32 AM
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30. Gore WON, the Bush mob STOLE it, the Supreme Court violated the Constitution...
Edited on Wed Jan-06-10 12:34 AM by JackRiddler
and Nader's a sideshow scapegoat for partisan sheep.
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Maraya1969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 12:38 AM
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33. No the butterfly ballot did it. And Nader is a big ass.
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 12:44 AM
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34. No, it was how he handled it - he should have admited it and moved on.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 01:46 AM
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36. Picking Danna Brazile as his campaign manager is what killed Gore.
A DINO campaign manager running a DLC candidate with LIEberman in the Veep spot?

You think it was easy to lose an election to an inbred moron that failed at everything in his life? It took considerable effort.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 01:49 AM
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37. NAFTA probably did more harm to Gore than Nader. nt
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PizzaDriver Donating Member (42 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 04:53 AM
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38. Gore's running away from Clinton certainly did. it legitimized the bogus rap against Clinton,
and undermined what was a very successful presidency. Gore was basically running away from himself, and this of course strengthened republicans.
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arcadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 08:30 AM
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43. Clinton lied then admitted to lying
And he cheated on his wife. You find these to be admirable qualities?
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 12:50 PM
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48. no, but these were also in the "none of our business" qualities
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 12:50 PM
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47. indeed. i used to blame nader for gore, but its gores fault gore didnt get
a larger margin of victory
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 05:02 AM
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40. The biggest mistakes were made by the voters
1. Thinking Gore was too conservative
2. Thinking Bush was a 'compassionate conservative'
3. Thinking Obama was a progressive


Never misunderestimate the power of the American voter to screw things up!
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 05:54 AM
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41. Yep...smart voting gets you smart fellas...poor voting gets you Republicans
We are so fucked with them Pubs who are also BULLIES
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 06:04 AM
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42. Or in the case of Obama unreasonable expectations
based on where he actually is politically...

Which probably means our electorate of the Idiocracy will probably vote in Repugs at midterm...


which leads to... oh never mind :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 12:06 PM
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44. RePigs won't win....too many Neg traits and Wounded 1st String..Their message is Dated
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 12:31 AM
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49. Never misunderestimate the American Voter
:(
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 12:40 PM
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45. More Dems voted for Bush in Florida than voted for Nader...
Why?
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 12:40 PM
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46. do you remember bills approval rating during that period?
al gore lost cos of al gore. i used to blame nader or clinton but the more i see in politics the more i realize, gore lost cos gore ran a shitty ass right of bill clinton campaign
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 12:45 AM
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50. LOL. I love this site. good, healthy debate. :)
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 01:28 AM
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52. Nader looks like he has some dirty water backup. n/t
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 01:37 AM
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53. It was a one two punch.
It took bad/unthinking behavior by both individuals to get us where we are today.

Al Gore did his best. I truly believe that. He had good intentions.

Bill and Ralph didn't. Bill was unthinking and Nader wanted to cause Gore grief for reasons I don't understand.
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