George McGovern: " I Expect To See CHENEY & BUSH FORCED TO RESIGN BEFORE 2008 IS OVER"

George McGovern: Cheney is wrong about me, wrong about war
The 1972 presidential nominee strikes back at the vice president for comparing today's Democrats to the McGovern platform.
By George S. McGovern, GEORGE S. MCGOVERN, a former U.S. senator from South Dakota, was the Democratic nominee for president in 1972.
April 24, 2007

It is my firm belief that the Cheney-Bush team has committed offenses that are worse than those that drove Nixon, Vice President Spiro Agnew and Atty. Gen. John Mitchell from office after 1972. Indeed, as their repeated violations of the Constitution and federal statutes, as well as their repudiation of international law, come under increased consideration, I expect to see Cheney and Bush forced to resign their offices before 2008 is over.

Aside from a growing list of impeachable offenses, the vice president has demonstrated his ignorance of foreign policy by attacking House Speaker Nancy Pelosi for visiting Syria. Apparently he thinks it is wrong to visit important Middle East states that sometimes disagree with us. Isn't it generally agreed that Nixon's greatest achievement was talking to the Chinese Communist leaders, which opened the door to that nation? And wasn't President Reagan's greatest achievement talking with Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev until the two men worked out an end to the Cold War? Does Cheney believe that it's better to go to war rather than talk with countries with which we have differences?

We, of course, already know that when Cheney endorses a war, he exempts himself from participation. On second thought, maybe it's wise to keep Cheney off the battlefield — he might end up shooting his comrades rather than the enemy.

On a more serious note, instead of listening to the foolishness of the neoconservative ideologues, the Cheney-Bush team might better heed the words of a real conservative, Edmund Burke: "A conscientious man would be cautious how he dealt in blood."

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more:
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-mcgovern24apr24,0,4084076.story

Here Comes The Sun

(George Harrison)

Here comes the sun, here comes the sun
And I say it's all right
Little darlin' it's been a long cold lonely winter
Little darlin' it feels like years since it's been here
Here comes the sun, here comes the sun
And I say it's all right
Little darlin' the smiles returning to their faces
Little darlin' it seems like years since it's been here
Here comes the sun, here comes the sun
And I say it's all right
Sun, sun, sun, here it comes
Sun, sun, sun, here it comes
Sun, sun, sun, here it comes
Sun, sun, sun, here it comes
Sun, sun, sun, here it comes
Little darlin' I feel the ice is slowly meltin'
Little darlin' it seems like years since it's been clear
Here come the sun, here comes the sun
And I say it's all right
Here come the sun, here comes the sun
It's all right, it's all right

Bang! Zoom! Knocked that one out of the park!

:rofl:

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It does not get worse then Bush and Cheney.

Signed,

An admirer

:-)

Carter, Gore and Kerry, and stop with the vilification of these men in order to move the party further right to appease the corporate media.

I remember how the party villified McGovern and that lead me to begin distrusting the party. Now that I've lived through the same with Carter, Gore and Kerry, my distrust is well grounded.

It doesn't have to be this way. I should be proud of the Democratic Party.

I am proud of this part of the party, this Underground party, so at least I have hope. We just need to come together. Impeaching the bastards would be a great unifying operation and we're almost all there, eh?

All of a sudden, he'll start saying complimentary things about past Dem leaders - maybe even claim he loves them as much as he loves Poppy Bush.

I think our best President got seriously ticked at America after the way he was treated, and I don't blame him one bit. But if he loves any part of this country at all, and wants it to be around for his daughter and her children, then PLEASE, Mr. Clinton, drop the Bush League like so many rotten eggs!

Of course, he could be spying (outdoing Poppy at his own game).

What do you mean by "our best President?" Do you mean our best President in the last 30 years? I hope you don't mean he's the best in American history.

What do you mean by "our best President?" Do you mean our best President in the last 30 years? I hope you don't mean he's the best in American history.

Absolutely goddamn right!

George McGovern is a national treasure.

necessity so they can apply more much-needed pressure?

I want to see Bush and Cheney drug out of office, kicking and screaming, if need be.

They are heading up the most corrupt, unethical, immoral administration EVER IN THE HISTORY OF OUR COUNTRY. They make Nixon look like a friggin' SAINT.

IMPEACH!

Haul them away.

Not that anyone cares what I have to say.

K&R.

:bounce: :bounce:

No WONDER CrashCart is headed to the hospital today...

"Resign" on 12/31 or "hand over" three weeks later -- c'est la meme chose.

I'm sure McGovern's heart is in the right place, and I'm sure we'd all like to see the whole criminal cabal that is the republican party uprooted in its entirety by 5 PM today. But "predicting" a resignation by the end of 2008 is still pretty silly.

That invalidates having to wait for another supposedly unrestricted election. they should be kicked out for that alone and that one door opened all the others that should have subsequently, but for that habit of surrender, have been slammed and barred against them.
At best it may be a toss-up whether one reasonably fair election(still an unresolved struggle as of this moment) can offer relief or an unreasonably, unfair, difficult legal procedure based on fraudulent suppression of Dem candidates and free flow of basic information should be done now and the line drawn here.

To say either offers the "best" hope forgets whether the battle of either eventuality can be easily won in any event. The duty of one toward the other and their intimate connection means that the wheels of justice should be unbound now. Or you signal that that they may remain bound, with the crooked ballot boxes and idiot TV Radio forums through which we must plow in 2008- and have our rights diminished even if "victorious" in consistent denial of justice.

Did Washington go to war believing he would inevitably win with all the forces needed reasonably at the time? According to this wisdom, which may be accurate in prognostication nonetheless, the revolutionaries should have sagely sat out the Georgian administration to better times and then handily have their way with them in a moderate compromising fashion. I can bet how that would turn out. We would have much less freedom or rights than Scotland or Wales or Canada and the Tories would have swelled in importance to be the overlords over the majority.

IIRC 38 missions over Europe.

I volunteered in his '72 campaign... >sigh<

I really think they'll both be gone by this time next year.

George W. Bush is so crazy he will never resign. He wouldn't resign to avoid impeachment. He wouldn't resign under any circumstances. He would just dumbly and blindly hang on to power. He doesn't listen, he doesn't care, and he believes himself to be totally above the law. He's not going anywhere unless they arrest him and force him out the door.

As I heard Obama say, in a biblical reference (Amos) "Let justice roll like a river." Whether you read the bible or not, the book of Amos (It's a short one) has some interesting passages on justice.

Place your bets, ladies and gentlemen!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=3216482

Their arrogance would never allow them to do the right thing.

They have no shame or sense of morality.

:grr:

I see nothing but the threat of potential trial at the Hague as being anything that could threaten these bozos. Unless of course this is investigated THOROUGHLY:

"It's all part of a growing ongoing investigation into corruption in defense and intelligence contracts, which already has sent former Rep. Randy “Duke” Cunningham to prison and, legal sources say, may threaten others in Congress and the CIA. "

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12634250/

These 'others' being ferreted out would exert pressure from Congress that would do the trick I suppose. Already a few GOP congressmen are being looked into. Renzi in AZ is already using the patented 'national security' defense ! They will try to keep anything discovered covered up using the 'national security' blanket the GOP likes to use. While we're at it, let's get the Oswald/Joannides connections brought out into the open ... I can dream, can't I ?

It's downright embarrassing that folks like McGovern, and Jack Cafferty, and Don Imus can all casually talk publicly about the numerous impeachable offenses and war crimes of the regime -- because everybody knows it's all too true, all too real -- yet our so-called "leadership" in DC continues to play posturing games that "exempt themselves from participation" in the reality before their eyes.

And save Kucinich, the same is true of the pick-me-for-poobah pack.

A truly pathetic bunch.

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There are any number of ways that a real impeachment effort could ignite -- one that includes the torture.

And if it should happen, the GOP as a party could be in a very dangerous position -- risking generational minority status worse than post-Watergate. Such a thing could really threaten to eat into the global corporate profits (worse than it is already -- no one likes to do business with war criminals).

Going relatively quietly would minimize the damage. It is far more likely than a Senate trial.

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That's one of the most powerful op-eds I've read in a long time.

"Who was the real loser of '72?" indeed!

You're either on the table or off the table.

How many people in Congress do you think will support this measure?

The answer should be ALL OF THEM.

Anyone who does not support impeachment will have the blood of all the dead soldiers and innocent civilians on their hands.

I dont think we should impeach him, even though I think he deserves it.

could finesse a better deal for the American people than this bunch? If you believe she can then maybe the situation you are finding so difficult might be a bit easier for you to handle.

we have disagreements with?"

Damn right that's what Cheney believes. And so does George Bush. Which is one very important reason that they both need to be impeached.

"On second thought, maybe it's wise to keep Cheney off the battlefield — he might end up shooting his comrades rather than the enemy."

BA-ZING! :rofl: :spray: :applause:

The only way we are going to get rid of these criminals is to impeach them and even then it will probably take some measure of force to physically remove them from the peoples house.

I agree with what Mr. McGovern is saying, but unless the amendment on term limits is repealed (and believe me, I put NOTHING past this bunch of bastards), he and Cheney will be pretty much out the door by the end of 2008 anyway.

Any chance they could then go to The Hague?