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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 03:43 PM
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Did Prescott Bush know Hitler personally?
Edited on Tue Apr-24-07 03:45 PM by raccoon
ANybody ever heard that?

edited for Bushism
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 03:44 PM
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1. you mean prescott bush?
Edited on Tue Apr-24-07 03:46 PM by niyad
google "bush hitler connection" for some fascinating (not to mention sickening) reading. herewith, a small sample:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1312540,00.html
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 03:46 PM
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3. Thanks, yes, I meant Prescott. nt
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 04:31 PM
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16. Thanks for the link. The silence of the corporate media about this
speaks volumes.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 03:46 PM
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2. I'll bet he at least met him.
Edited on Tue Apr-24-07 04:20 PM by patrice
Going to Wikipedia now . . . .

No mention of meeting in Wikipedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prescott_Bush Thyssen undoubtedly did though. Here's an interesting video from InfoWars that was linked in the Wikipedia article http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_K2F4-iaxo There's a picture of Prescott near the end of this video, standing next to Mussolini I think and wearing a Nazi uniform with the skull and cross bones on the hat. John Buchanan makes a connection between the Nazi use of this symbol and the Skull And Bones fraternity that all of us have heard about.

Wikipedia also says W's great-grandfather made his money selling weapons in WWI; I didn't know it went back 3 generations like that. The Buchanan video says Prescott had no money until he hooked up with Thyssen and laundered money for the Third Reich. He was, in fact, a tire salesman; I thought W's money was older than that.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 05:30 PM
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22. That's a great question. He wasn't important enough to have publicly met Hitler.
Edited on Tue Apr-24-07 05:42 PM by leveymg
There were others who did. A number of prominent American businessmen and lawyers for companies trading with Germany met regularly with Hitler and other Nazi leaders. This list included the Dulles Bros, who ran the Wall Street law firm of Sullivan & Cromwell, which represented the majority of large multinational companies of the time that had financial and manufacturing investments in Nazi Germany. Other prominent Americans with well-documented close ties to the Hiter regime included Henry Ford, Charles Lindberg, the Rockefeller brothers, and the Harriman brothers (who employed Prescott Bush and his brother-in-law George Walker in managing German interests for Hitler's close supporter, Fitz Thyssen).

The fact is, neither Bush nor Walker were important enough at the time to have been recorded to have met Hitler. It does seem entirely likely, however, that one or both of them did travel to Germany at some point during the 1930s, and would have met with Nazi ministerial level officials. Bush got his big break after World War Two, when Foster Dulles, the RNC Chair, appointed him to fill an empty Senate seat in Connecticut, as reward for his good service as a competent corporate director, a loyal Republican contributor, and for in keeping his mouth shut about the ongoing activities of the international financiers who funded and sustained the Nazi war machine.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 06:08 PM
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28. Why? why? why? why? why? OH! ! WHY? Doesn't this information
seem to matter to anyone but us "Libbies"???

I cannot think of having heard it even once in MSM, maybe on PBS once, but never on the commercial stations.
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 03:49 PM
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4. I've never heard any reputable source say Prescott and Hitler were personally acquainted n/t
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 03:51 PM
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5. No.
They just had common business interests. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prescott_Bush

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NightWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 03:52 PM
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6. yes, he did business with him and helped him build the nazi war machine
he was also found guilty of trading with the enemy for his business connections with Hitler.

I assume that they met, the same way that George (41) met with the bin Laden clan. He was buddies with the lot of them. The same way that Rummy shook hands with Saddam.
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LibertyUntoDeath Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 03:54 PM
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7. I heard Gore's daddy could fly into restricted Russian airspace
Probably just as much full of crap, but that's what I heard.
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Gold Metal Flake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 03:56 PM
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9. Welcome to DU!
Enjoy your stay! :hi:
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 03:56 PM
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10. please cite any evidence of that statement--there are a great many sources of the close contact
between prescott bush and the nazis--even if not with hitler personally.
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geardaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 03:59 PM
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11. Yep, "Some say"
:eyes:
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kimmerspixelated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 04:38 PM
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17. NT
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 04:00 PM
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12. enjoy that tombstone dear
you deserve it. :evilgrin:
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 04:17 PM
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14. Funny you should make that kind of reference, InfoWars was
just talking about the methods of Nazi propaganda in the video I linked above.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 05:32 PM
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Prescoot was the banker to the Nazis; sorry if that doesn't bother you just a tad.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 03:55 PM
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8. Guardian UK: "How Bush's grandfather helped Hitler's rise to power"


http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1312540,00.html

How Bush's grandfather helped Hitler's rise to power


Rumours of a link between the US first family and the Nazi war machine have circulated for decades. Now the Guardian can reveal how repercussions of events that culminated in action under the Trading with the Enemy Act are still being felt by today's president

Ben Aris in Berlin and Duncan Campbell in Washington
Saturday September 25, 2004
The Guardian


George Bush's grandfather, the late US senator Prescott Bush, was a director and shareholder of companies that profited from their involvement with the financial backers of Nazi Germany.

The Guardian has obtained confirmation from newly discovered files in the US National Archives that a firm of which Prescott Bush was a director was involved with the financial architects of Nazism.

His business dealings, which continued until his company's assets were seized in 1942 under the Trading with the Enemy Act, has led more than 60 years later to a civil action for damages being brought in Germany against the Bush family by two former slave labourers at Auschwitz and to a hum of pre-election controversy.

<snip>

"You can't blame Bush for what his grandfather did any more than you can blame Jack Kennedy for what his father did - bought Nazi stocks - but what is important is the cover-up, how it could have gone on so successfully for half a century, and does that have implications for us today?" he said.

"This was the mechanism by which Hitler was funded to come to power, this was the mechanism by which the Third Reich's defence industry was re-armed, this was the mechanism by which Nazi profits were repatriated back to the American owners, this was the mechanism by which investigations into the financial laundering of the Third Reich were blunted," said Loftus, who is vice-chairman of the Holocaust Museum in St Petersburg.

"The Union Banking Corporation was a holding company for the Nazis, for Fritz Thyssen," said Loftus. "At various times, the Bush family has tried to spin it, saying they were owned by a Dutch bank and it wasn't until the Nazis took over Holland that they realised that now the Nazis controlled the apparent company and that is why the Bush supporters claim when the war was over they got their money back. Both the American treasury investigations and the intelligence investigations in Europe completely bely that, it's absolute horseshit. They always knew who the ultimate beneficiaries were."

"There is no one left alive who could be prosecuted but they did get away with it," said Loftus. "As a former federal prosecutor, I would make a case for Prescott Bush, his father-in-law (George Walker) and Averill Harriman for giving aid and comfort to the enemy. They remained on the boards of these companies knowing that they were of financial benefit to the nation of Germany."

Loftus said Prescott Bush must have been aware of what was happening in Germany at the time. "My take on him was that he was a not terribly successful in-law who did what Herbert Walker told him to. Walker and Harriman were the two evil geniuses, they didn't care about the Nazis any more than they cared about their investments with the Bolsheviks."

What is also at issue is how much money Bush made from his involvement. His supporters suggest that he had one token share. Loftus disputes this, citing sources in "the banking and intelligence communities" and suggesting that the Bush family, through George Herbert Walker and Prescott, got $1.5m out of the involvement. There is, however, no paper trail to this sum.

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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 04:01 PM
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13. Know him? Hell...
He (fill in the blank) him.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-25-07 04:29 PM
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31. "He had lunch with him."
Edited on Wed Apr-25-07 04:30 PM by TahitiNut
:rofl: An oldie but goodie.
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DerBeppo Donating Member (452 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 04:29 PM
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15. Now, this is why the whole "sins of the father" or in this case...
grandfather argument bothers me. The Kennedy family has just a strong tie to pro-Nazi and pro-Hitler groups and I don't fault Ted or JFK for their circumstancial connection. There's plenty to criticize * and poppy for, why compromise a valid argument with this "ooh, his granddaddy was a Nazi sympathizer" stuff?
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 04:57 PM
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18. These guys pass everything down thru the family
the riches, the pwer. the secrets. They're not like a normal family where you might instantly reject the idea of a connection between what the grandfather did, and what the son does now. But really, all you have to do is use your eyes and ears instead of just swallowing what they tell you on Fox. And I don't believe there is the same sort of tie going back through the Kennedy's. Can you source that for me?
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DerBeppo Donating Member (452 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 05:13 PM
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20. Joe Kennedy's Nazi sympathizing is fairly well documented.
He was removed as the British ambassador because of his pro-Hitler stance. He agreed with the idea that Jews were the source of most of societies ills and was only critical towards Germany for "fixing" the problem in such a public way instead of in a more public relation friendly way.

He was a very close friend with epic anti-Semite and supporter of, if not the actions of, definitely the ideas spouted by, Nazi Germany. You should read their letters to each other.

While he doesn't have a direct cash and carry connection to Germany, he ranks right up there with Lindberg and Ford as supreme, Jew hating assholes.

The Kennedy family has the same structure, riches (if not more), power and secrets as the Bushies--they're just on the correct side of the aisle so they get a pass. Considering how ridiculous it is to blame current generations for sins of the past, I don't mind giving them a pass on Joe's disturbed mind. But, in order to be intellectually honest, I have to extend the same courtesy to those families whose politics I disagree with as well.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 05:40 PM
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26. He doesn't personally get a pass
Democrats know there were a lot of nutballs in the party over the years. We also know that the rational wing has always won out in the end. As opposed to the other side - who always let their nutballs win.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 06:18 PM
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29. There's a big difference in what the two families have done to and for
this country.

Truth is, by definition, inevitable, ergo, no one get's a pass and that's a given in re ALL of th Kennedy history. The real questions are about what people do. And it isn't that anyone blames W for Prescott's sins, it is more about the family culture and its affect upon how a given individual acts and what they do to others.

Moral Absolutes are dead; long live Moral Relativism!
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 05:35 PM
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24.  Prescott didn't merely "sympathize"; HE BANKROLLED THE NAZIS.
Edited on Tue Apr-24-07 05:42 PM by WinkyDink
Old Joe expressed admiration (as did Limbergh and other prominent Americans). There is a difference.

And FDR recalled old Joe from London post-haste. BTW, losing both a son and a daughter during WWII would seem to be his penance.

FINALLY~~~John, Bobby, and Ted have shown themselves to be Liberal Democrats. W is a Fascist.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 06:02 PM
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27. The Duncan video, see link in my post above, says Prescott
didn't have the money to bankroll them, but HELPED them with their bankroll by working for Thyssen's money laundering banks, in full knowledge of who and what Hitler was, no questions asked. Service for which he received about $1.5 million when the bank was liquidated upon Thyssen's retirement to South America (Brazil, I think).

Prescott Bush was a tire salesman when he met and went to work for Thyssen.
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happydreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 05:08 PM
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19. He may as well have met him. Fritz Thyssen, a German steel magnate who Prescott was on the same
Edited on Tue Apr-24-07 05:13 PM by happydreams
BOD at Union Banking Corp. was the moneybags behind Hitler's rise to power. At Nuremberg Thyssen was noted for his book:"I paid Hitler".

William Randolph Hearst and the Dulles brothers met Hitler and went away from the meeting full of love for Naziism. The Dulles's, both partners in the lawfirm of Sullivan and Cromwell, were closely allied with Prescott's boss Averell Harriman and sought to camouflage WA Harriman company links to Nazi Germany.
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 05:32 PM
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23. The same BOD!! Yeah, he might as well have met him.
Edited on Tue Apr-24-07 05:34 PM by raccoon
And the Dulles brothers. Ike's Sect. of State John Foster Dulles and Allen Dulles, head of the CIA. Makes me realize the inter-connectedness of all these people.
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happydreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-25-07 04:23 PM
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30. Then we have Dulles lawfirm Sullivan and Cromwell
Edited on Wed Apr-25-07 04:25 PM by happydreams
with "Heil Hitler" written on the letterhead that they used in their communications with IG Farben.

Then there is the story of a WWI German spy who was deported from the US and later opened up a branch of Sullivan and Cromwell in Germany smoothing the way for rearming Germany and WWII. JF Dulles was on the BOD of IG Farben and Metallgesellschaft.

Farben was Hitler and Hitler was Farben. (Senator Homer T. Bone to Senate Committee on Military Affairs, June 4, 1943.) ...
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Bronyraurus Donating Member (871 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 05:21 PM
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21. Yeah
I think they coached soccer together.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 05:38 PM
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25. Elites did business with Hitler
They admired how well he put the country back together after WWI, made bundles of money off of him. Part of the reason we didn't get into the war earlier.

I would tend to say Republicans were the bigger cheerleaders of Hitler, but some have told me it's wrong to label the party that way. :eyes:
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