I am done getting my hopes up .

All this constant spin and bs talk about impeachment is just a damn joke at best .

We must know by now even the dems are staying away for this issue and I don;t want to here the reasons why , I can tell when something is a lost cause , if thye had any intention of impeachment at all then we would know it by now , why would this be a secret , bush knows where he stands unless he is completely out of touch .

I will have hope if I see this off the table and only then .

By the time bush is out in 2009 we will be completely screwed since there are piles of hearings to go through even to scratch the surface of what the damage and lies have done and even then there are many lies and hidden destruction that is still unknown to most that will further slow us from getting off this runaway bus to hell .

All the while people die by the day and will continue to .

I am so sick of this that there seems to be no way for me as one person to recover from the damage the BCF has done to this country .

Hell the huge corps are against us and the economy is screwed , there are no jobs and without this how the hell does one survive and retain any hope . Sure if you are doing ok now and have a backup fund you can remain hopeful , I cannot kid myself about the reality of this screwed up america , to hell with the american dream just worry about the next day and hope I make it .


Healthcare , min wage , new jobs , this damn war ending , and then top it all off with global warming and what have you got , you have wealthy politicians and CEO's riding high without a care in the world , and the rest of those like me at the very bottom of the heap just trying to breath .

2008 elections , give me a break , what will this change and when and how will they repair this mass insane damage that reaches to the depths of many peoples souls . Tell me how and with a real answer , not some name tossed out there for the next great leader , screw that .

Been there, doing that . . .

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You tell me why you have the impression that simply having dems in high places relates to a fix . Certainly it would be better than what there is now or for the last 6 years , no argument there .

However the bar has been lowered so damn low that even a bum would shine compared to bush , almost anyone sounds literate and reasonable after bush .

You can listen and read all about the candidates promises and run off hopeful but always remember talk is easy , it is the actual action that makes the change .

How many times have we heard promises about feeding or housing the poor or healthcare for all , better jobs , this can go on forever .

What has changed , do you recall a promise made in the last 25 years that came true other than the outcome being something that made things worse for most people .

Democratic is just a word , it holds no magic formula .

I have always been a democrat but look at how they sat back for 25 years and did not fight the fight , no they gave in and repubs are nothing but slime coated liars .

How will this country become un-divided such as it is now ?

I look at politics as just another game and nothing more , nothing less .

I look at these million plus dollar campaign funds as a race which it is , now thing about just this one aspect , not one candidate has said once , this is wrong ? No they all go along with this and we are talking millions gone forever and to who , the lying media networks , the very people who have enabled this BCF to survive , the very ones .

Tell me this is not troubling let alone telling almost shouting , (bull shit , we have our game and we are the players .)

I have watched countless speeches in the house, countless legislation defeated due to limited votes, and the bad guys ARE THE GOP.

The reality of 2008 is that we will have more House members, a nearly filibuster proof Senate and a Democratic President. I am not dreaming, this is a distinct possibility.

Let me remind you that the Dems have not controlled the House since 1994 and they had a very slim Dem Majority in the Senate until 2002. Then they have been SHUT OUT.

You really need to look at how the actual Government works and turn off CNN and watch CSPAN.

Have you ever watched the 30something Dems??

Have you been watching these hearings?

Have you watched Dems debate in the Senate? Have you ever watched a Russ Feingold call for ending the war? Have you ever watched Senator Kennedy or Byrd rail about the injustices of such bills of the Detainee act last fall?? Have you seen Harry Reid declare that we have already lost the war in Iraq? Have you read Senator John Kerrys book on environment? Have you read Senator Byron Dorgans book on the warfare against the middle class??

There is a ton of hope out there. A TON.

if everybody would spend a little time and actually watch Cspan they would never be able to see the government the same way again, that I could promise. I had a pretty low opinion of the Senators and Reps until I started watching Cspan. I got a glimps into the workings with the watergate hearings but I was pretty busy having lots of fun at the time though if you know what I mean. Sen Whitehouse, Sen Webb come to mind. I could go on and on but I'll shut up, I just wanted to let you know I feel the same as you

Still I refer back to times where things were not so vary screwed up with dems in control and somehow they let it all fly right by . This is not to say they have not learned however we live in an entire new world now with alot of new problems , huge problems to over come and not the poor or the issues of global warming have the time to wait , many will suffer and die off well before their time was due , I ask , what about them , are they to be cast aside and sacrificed ?

I hope it works for you and many others , I am not attacking you , really I'm not , however each of us gets to a point and find our own truth to be realized . You can only count on yourself in most situations , leaders today need to be more powerful and intent than ever before in our past times in order to turn what we have into something that works for all people not just the ones who are young or working and educated and global warming will take all the worlds leaders to co-operate fully and without flaw .

Blue could be blue over the many crimes that have gone unprosecuted, but we must never give up.

It is ok to be realistic and hopeful also. Yes, lots of damage HUGE amounts of damage, destruction, pain, and the USA may never recover. Ever. Things have changed and what we can do is continue to try to slow the destruction, deal with those causing it, and do the best we can.

There is nothing written that says the USA Empire must exist forever, or humans either. It is a conundrum. We will all die, how badly has our generations hurt the Earth, how to continue to try and not give up hope? I don't look for sugar daddies or Great Hope, but small ones.

will not be undone in days, weeks, or months. Take small victories at face value and keep your spirits up for the next ones. And hope that they'll be even bigger. Progress now cannot be revolutionary - alas! - but can only be incremental. Just my humble advice.

...I have actually formed a slightly different opinion on the matter.

Sometimes good things are just born of bad things. It isn't fair, it isn't right. It just is.

I just think that if being forced to go through 8 years of this garbage leads us to a greater progressive and liberal handling of the country for the long term then maybe it was all a good thing for the country. Sometimes you have to expose these frauds for what they are. You can only tell people they're frauds so many times and have them still not believe you.

It gets like; well it gets like :banghead: this

Sometimes you have to let their actions speed louder than your words ever possibly could.

If this period of darkness for he country's soul turns out to be birthing process that allows us to truly walk a better path then maybe, possibly it was worth it.

At least it appears to finally be sinking in to just how stupid it is for us as a nation to think that cowboys make good presidents.

During Vietnam would have been a good start since this is not as far back as WW II and most people alive now and their children would know the details and the way this came out . Now is not the time to finally wake up .

As far as it being worth it making all these horrid mistakes , well this is worse than Vietnam ,the entire USA is even more screwed up and destroyed and you can never take this back . Why should it take such a long horrid lesson to be needed to learn this was a disaster , 6 years or destroying and tearing apart the constitution and all the deaths and what have we really learned . I think we have learned and have been conditioned to be afraid and that's about all .

and it seemed to me that he was acknowledging that it was pretty futile to tangle with the bushco machine right now. Even if they're there under oath, they can "not recall, not recollect, etc." It will take a long time to undo their damage, but what can you but begin the task?

And if the only thing DU has ever done for me, it's that. There is always someone articulating what I feel-and it doesn't matter if the grammar is correct or the spelling perfect. Or even if it's exactly how I feel-basically I have the same despair these days. All you can do is take heart that your denial is gone. Survivors don't live in denial. They deal with reality the way it is and move on from there. I don't know what will happen but just another Democrat in the presidency will not change this country enough. There is a real cancer here and until the tumors are removed, they will keep growing back. This is what the great "healing" of the pardon of Richard M. Nixon has taught this country. Well, it taught those of us that actually were paying attention. And I expect a Hillary or an Obama and yes, sigh, damn it even an Edwards to give Cheney and Bush a pass. I don't think this country can recover from cancer until it acknowledges that it's sick.

I won't quit trying no matter how much I'm betrayed by this country's leaders. I will be a determined foe.

And I'm not saying you aren't now - I don't know you. But, if our options are sit around and wait for a hero to save us or save ourselves, we need to get off our asses right now.