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slowry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 07:57 PM
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Who shot Pat Tillman?
I hadn't been following the story closely enough; has the name ever been released? If not... is that normal??
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Rick Myers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 07:58 PM
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1. I do not think that info is ever made public. n/t
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 07:59 PM
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2. They may not know
even if they did identifying cpl "joe smith" as being involved in a FF incident does not make the situation better.

The officer who ordered the cover up has been identified. That is much more important.
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 08:01 PM
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4. Unless He Was Fragged
(Which he might have been)

Then I certainly hope they release the name, and bring him to justice.
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 08:11 PM
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8. There is no reason to believe that
he was, from what I read, in front of other men in his unit. Misidentified and killed by aimed rifle fire.

That happens, sadly. If he was shot on base that would be alarming, but in a firefight on a field op, by accident is not uncommon. It has happened in Iraq.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 08:13 PM
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9. That is what I thought until
I read that he was scheduled to be interviewed by Noam Chomsky on his next leave and that the military burned his diary and his uniform.

That's when i looked in the closet for my tinfoil hat and dusted it off.
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Bicoastal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 08:22 PM
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13. Anyone who burns a recently dead soldier's uniform for political purposes...
...is lower than a maggot in my book. :mad:

That having been said, I don't think the government killed Pat. Playing the devil's advocate here, I think he would have been much more useful to them alive, well, and in plenty of post-combat photo ops with Senor Boosh. It's possible Pat would've refused (which I doubt--he wasn't publicly confrontational), but a dead soldier is almost always a bigger PR problem for the army than a live one.

It was when he died in friendly fire that they said: "Wuh-oh! We got a problem--this makes our war look confusing and scary rather than noble and patriotic." And so began the coverup.
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 08:33 PM
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21. According to his mom, he did not support the war in Iraq -
he thought it was illegal. If he had returned to the States and made that opinio public it would have been a big problem for Bushco.
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Bicoastal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 08:42 PM
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24. deleted by poster
Edited on Tue Apr-24-07 08:44 PM by Bicoastal
sorry, found a fact online that clashes with something I wrote
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 08:36 PM
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22. Depends on what they burned and why
I had tons of crap I would not my parents getting if I was to have run over a land mine driving all over the beautiful former Yugoslavia. Porn and skoal come to mind. Various other correspondence come to mind.

The uniform is odd. If it was soaked in blood maybe. I don't know what surrounded the incident.

It sounds like a cover up by the officer named.

The Army Sf folks I have met are generally intelligent people. Not morons, they have volunteered at least twice to be where they are. Killing one another is odd behavior.

Upchain dumbass orders to cover one's ass or look good, no fucking surprise there.
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FtWayneBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 09:04 PM
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27. Maybe the uniform had powder burns on it
from up-close-and-personal unfriendly friendly fire.
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 08:37 PM
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23. Unless He Was About To Bat For The Other Side
Edited on Tue Apr-24-07 08:41 PM by MannyGoldstein
If the following is true: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Tillman#Political_views

Then killing him might have been a better option for the Bush crowd.

I really, really hat to say that - I've avoided conspiricy theories for many decades, but we are living in very strange times.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 11:45 PM
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30. and his body armor and his DIARY
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slowry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 08:18 PM
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12. Not saying it would make it better.
I was just under the impression that such things were made known, during an investigation. Maybe that's just for cases involving international incidents, like when the Canadians were killed.
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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 08:00 PM
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3. I don't know, but I'll bet...
he's a graduate of the Dick Cheney School of Marksmanship Firing From the Hip.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 08:01 PM
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5. a fat fuck with thinnish blonde hair and glasses PIC
This is him daydreaming about the size of Bush's dick:
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 08:02 PM
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6. torture photos leaked...what can I do to distract everyone....
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 08:08 PM
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7. Was Cheney in Iraq at the time?
Edited on Tue Apr-24-07 08:08 PM by William769
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pwb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 08:15 PM
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10. a friendly fire mistake?, or friendly directed fire?
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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 08:16 PM
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11. According to the testimony today his head was almost gone from bullet fire.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 08:25 PM
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16. i heard his mother say that, it was chilling. i didn't realize the condition his body
was in and after hearing her speak i started wondering if he was fragged, up until this morning i thought it was a terrible accident.
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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 08:28 PM
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19. That sent chills through me
Body shots vs head shots are two different things.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 08:32 PM
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20. this is going to sound weird but---
a head shot seems a lot more personal, you know what i mean?
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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 08:49 PM
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26. You have to see the face.....especially with the bullet entering the forehead.
I didn't know that much information until the hearing.
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La_Fourmi_Rouge Donating Member (878 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 08:22 PM
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14. Who ordered the Code Red?
This was an operation designed to silence a formidable administration critic at a time when the Abu Ghraib torture scandal was on the front pages every day. Who ordered the killing? We may never know.

But Mary Tillman and her son Kevin will not rest, until their dying day, in the search for the facts.
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 08:23 PM
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15. Waylan Smithers? Maggie?
:)
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RufusTFirefly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 08:27 PM
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17. He read Chomsky, supported Kerry, and was probably an atheist
That might've been enough to tick off a certain type of military hothead.

Even so, I still buy the official story for the time being. The second official story, that is.
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 08:46 PM
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25. He was in a SF community
not a bunch of morons. Not that line infantry are morons, but they dont have to carry retards. SF generally score high IQs and are not going to murder another guy over a political belief.

A bullshit coverup upchain is no surprise.
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Aviation Pro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 09:16 PM
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28. Right after Tillman died....
...I proferred a theory that got me banned from another site. Sadly, it looks like I was right.

Impeach. Remove. Indict. Imprison. Now.
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 09:21 PM
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29. You mean his ranger counterparts
were confused in a firefight and shot him by accident?

There is NO DATA to support anything other than wild guessing here. There have been many FF incidents in both theaters.
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Balbus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 11:58 PM
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31. Was Dick Cheney hunting that day?
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