Hartmann has decided not to call tea baggers tea baggers

because they don't like that name.

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And he still wants us to join them, even though the keynote speakers at their convention are Palin and Bachmann.

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like they could use a good teabagging, therefore I'm sticking with the moniker.

some teabaggers' realization that Dick armey isn't really on their side, has the US on the verge of a revolution.

Now THAT I can get down with.

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After they waved around those horrid placards of Obama in a grass skirt and bone through his nose, declaring the president is a commie-pinko-fascist-racist-socialist who is a Muslim in league with Satan illegitimate born outside the US,,,,well, you know the drill as well as I,,,, THEY DEMAND RESPECT FROM US??11!

How do you teabaggers spell FAT FRICKING CHANCE.

They can take their tea and stick it where the sun don't shine.
Any of them that want my respect should stay away from my hill and I ll stay on my own turf.

they want to be associated with the tea-baggers.

Which would make you a fool or a piece of shit?

And I'm a huge fan.

But I want the teabaggers, their ignorance and mean spiritedness to go away. I refuse to give them a shred of credibility by reaching out to them.

Thom if you are reading this, my strong feelings are based on what I saw at their rallies when they counter protested at our health care rallies. I have been an activist for a long time and have never seen such hate. These are despicable people whose ideas will destroy our country.

but I completely disagree with him here for the same reasons you do.

cerebral arguments and visceral intuition. But just as Mike is a little too feisty at times, so is Thom too starry-eyed.

..... that somehow the teabagger movement is based on some kind of populist rage, other than far more base emotions, just befuddles me. Thom is a smart guy - he should be able to see this for what it is.

We (the little People) are being hosed by the corporatocracy and he advocates standing up against things like the corporate sponsorship of elections and representatives being bought and paid for. He's not advocating Palin for Prez or any other bullshit like that.

Re: "teabag", he has people on his show to debate from the tea party movement and he referenced that they might not want to be referred to by the same name that describes dipping one's testicles in another's mouth. It's called respect.

Try opening your ears and not being so quick to kneejerk.

They came up with that name and when the left pointed out what it actually meant they feigned outrage.

Secondly these are ignorant mean spirited people. Progressives do not have common ground with them. I don't see the bailouts as something we agree on because I think the teabaggers complain only because they hate Obama so intensely.

Wearing a t-shirt that expresses my own feelings about Palin would likely put my life in danger at such a gathering.

And you mean calling them teabaggers is...disrespectful to them??? Oh, the horror. I am just sure that deferring to their sense of dignity will have a great effect on their fondness for Bonercare.

and his heart and head are in the right places here, but he is missing that these morons have been programmed in more than one way ...

it is not just coopting the founding fathers and consitution to push for corporatism ... Part of that package is programming these idiots to associate ANYHING negative in any way with a "liberal."

There is some guy I see at the gym who is a card carrying "teabagger." Been to both local events and DC for rallies a few times.

A good guy in theory, he and his wife come to gym, they have two young daughter liks I do ... We both like the same sports teams.

But, we have been knocking around politics for for a few years now. I have ALWAYS had to bite my lip, because he is completetly cocksure of his positions, and he has all of the talking points down. He flat out quotes Limbaugh as a definitive source, and in no way accepts on any level that Limbaugh is a disingenious gas bag.

I have ALWAYS had to work VERY hard to try to find some kind of middle ground when we talk politics, I let go of stuff, and TRY to find something we agree on. I am pretty moderate overall in my views, I am not a complete left winger. I openly fess up when he brings up one of our team being a scumbag if he is, or a bad policy if it is a bad policy ...

We had a discussion a few weeks ago, and it was the same thing as it has been dozens of times before. This guy does not have the first clue what my positions are, years of talking politics, and I am the evil liberal that Rush has programmed him to believe. Every word I have ever said to him fell on dead ears, and he has in NO WAY come in my direction at any time ...

For the first time I let go and pretty much yelled at him and ranted and raved a bit. Funny thing is, he took it, and was OK with it for the most part. But, it still did not change anything, I am still the liberal ...

There is an inherent selfishness and closemindedness with these people that will not allow for a middle ground. If you are a D, you have ZERO chance of being anything other than the evil, craven, socialist, class warefar, wanting to take from them scumbag liberal that Rush has spent decades programming them to be.

it.

I'm also disinclined to give any credence to a bunch so stupid to actually think Dick Armey is on their side or anyone who is mentally unstable enough to flock to Laissez Fare Klan rallies. These people are some of the biggest problems in the whole jacked up system. If they weren't fully dedicated to interclass warfare and hating brown folks this country wouldn't have ever lurched into this self destructive mindset.

These folks and their parents were either Birchers or were perfectly fine with a bent toward socialism till they found they would have to share with brown people and flipped the script. They went right when the left was no longer white and now are riled up not over any issues or anything other than a black Democrat being in office.

I can't listen to his show any more. Too many RWers and too much bullshit.

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The grassroots people's revolution is almost dead. We still have the ability as a people to take over our government in a legal and peaceful way starting with our local communities, county by county. There is no need for a national tea party convention aimed at uniting local tea party groups in an underhanded attempt to consolidate their support nationally for the GOP.

The tea party revolution must keep their movements local and resist Tea Party Nations attempt to nationalize support for a "new and improved" GOP. The tea party attendees should raise hell and demand to keep their conservative movement local. Unity amongst local tea party, 9/12, campaign for liberty and other patriotic groups is essential. It is the best way to super charge your tea party or movement and take it to the next revolutionary level.

It starts with a major local shakeup of your county judge, county commissioners and every other elected seat. Then we head for the House elections in November where I prefer to utilize GOOOH, or at least several anyway along with other constitutionally minded revolutionary candidates. If not, you know in your hearts that within 4-8 years or so (if we even have that long anymore), every thing will return to the same back and forth struggle for power while selling out the people yet again and inch us ever so close to tyranny. Keeping us at each others throats while they escape all the blame. Do not allow either of these two parties to steal your movement, you must stay focused and united and local. This is the perfect opportunity to make a truly revolutionary statement of unity at the convention in february or the local leaders should boycott the national tea party convention all together.

I believe it's safe to say that our elected officials in both parties are corrupt and are the ones to blame for this monumental division of the people. This dangerous divide and conquer strategy using a false vs. right paradigm has now caused so many splintered and divided groups of the nations true guardians (the people) to become so bitterly divided that they may not ever be able to really unite for liberty ever again.

See post # 20.

Serious question: What is his overall point on "teabaggers."

on many issues. They are breaking away from the national group set up by repuke front groups (Dick Armey). Thom thinks there is a possibility of working with them to form a REAL populist movement comprised of progressives, conservatives, and independents. I listen to his show every day, and he has mentioned this on numerous occasions.

Edited to add: Thanks for taking my question seriously, and for your reply which offered great clarity.

Because if you did you would know that Thom has been busting the corporate teabagger structure for months now. The convention is a corporate sham and he has said so. He suggests that people reach out to our economic peers on the other side to find commonality with their anger at corporate servitude to affect economic change.

But, go ahead and misrepresent what Thom says. people only need tune in to hear him express his ideas without some conservative filter.

I heard him, you heard him, but it's more fun for some to run with soundbytes and kneejerk reactions.

Imagine if a real populist movement started where the lower and middle classes put aside their differences and concentrated on real economic justice. Imagine if our anger was concentrated in the same direction. Now imagine what the corporatists would do to stop that.

The attacks on Hartmann at DU have gotten steadily more frequent, most often voiced by posts taking his words out of context. A united anti-corporate movement across the labor and middle classes, post-partisan would scare the shit out of any of the ruling class. So, the very idea must be attacked.

sounds like a dream,

but no, we'd rather name call and make fun then actually move forward as a species. People who attack Hartmann and/or the Unions instantly show up on my idiot radar.

The Koch and Walton heirs won't have it!

please read some of my 17,000 posts over the last 9 years, and then call me a "conservative filter".

Thom does, in fact, advocate showing up at tea bagging parties and trying to find common ground. This is not filtered - it is fact. And today he said that he was going to quit calling them teabaggers, because they themselves object to that moniker. I personally don't give a rat's ass if they object to it, and if they find it offensive, I will try to sleep knowing that they're offended.

With regards to going to teabagging meetings, the people who show up there are the disciples of Backmann and the rest of the fringe ultra-right. I don't see attending meetings with people holding up swastikas, pictures of the president in black face, and signs calling him a "Lyin' African" as being a good use of my time.

Finally, as to Thom, i have listened to his program since it was on ieamericaradio.com. Don't tell me what he's really saying. And don't tell me I have to agree with everything he says to be a good liberal or democrat.

:-(

the "grassroots" faction of the teabaggers, the faction that is not happy with the Dick Army arm of the teabaggers' organization. The racist, homophobic, anti-choice teabaggers were not all from the Dick Army arm of the organization so how does Thom see differentiating which teabaggers to join, which ones are NOT racist, homophobic, anti-choice teabaggers?

I don't think you can so joining with any of the teabaggers strikes me as a very bad idea.

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There are clearly some involved in the teabagger thing that are corporatist shills, and others who are simply racist douchebags mad that there's a black man in the White House.

Beyond that though is genuine populist rage. Some of them might be pissed at the wrong people (i.e. blaming Obama for things that were clearly Chimpy's fault) and some others are just horribly misinformed (i.e. people in the middle of the country who only get corporate media TV news, and no intelligent radio (i.e. Thom Hartmann, Mike Malloy, or even Ed Schultz) available anywhere near them.

The latter group isn't necessarily unreachable. Even the ones who have voted against their own interests for decades. Or at least that's Thom's theory. I'm not so sure how to override the programmed stupidity myself. :(