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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 02:43 AM
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Perhaps if our leadership hadn't been attacking us, we would have kept the Mass Senate seat
Edited on Wed Jan-20-10 02:49 AM by saracat
They spoke against unions and refused to defend earned health care benefits, took sides against choice by voting for Stupak,refuse to support GLBT rights.They also made a deal with Big Pharma, stood against the teachers and for privatizing public education, expanded the office of Faith Based Initiatives and supported the Bush Era abuse of constitutional rights as well as increased troops in Afghanistan. They refused to provide drug re importation to enable affordable medication and voted to tax those who could least afford it to force Americans to buy a product they didn't want from a private company.And then they encouraged the nomination of a candidate with a sense of entitlement! Did some think no one would notice?


But we really don't have a choice.What we have got to do is insist that we return to being Democrats. We must support our base and our values.We must put people over politics.

Democrats must become Democrats again.
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Kalun D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 02:52 AM
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1. Our Leadership?
these aren't our leaders

THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO FAKED US INTO THINKING THEY WERE OUR LEADERS

they don't give a rat's a** in hell about us.

all they care about is the corporations and the corporation's money.

It's all a just fricking fake a** show. It's a fake a** TV show and Obama is just a fake a** actor.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 02:55 AM
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3. Democrats must become Democrats again.
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 02:59 AM
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6. They care about keeping their 'jobs,'
which they see are owed to corps. The Founders expected their DC jobs to be part-time; times have changed.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 02:54 AM
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2. And why would anyone unrec a plea for Democrats to become Democrats again?
Or for us to put people over politics? That is just downright scary.
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Kaleva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 02:55 AM
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4. Progressives could have made their voices heard in the primary held back in December..
but there wasn't much interest in that election. Turn out was low so the candidate with the greater name recognition won.
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gleaner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 02:56 AM
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5. Thank you.
In one paragraph you expressed what is wrong. Dean is also right. We have to toughen up and stop dancing with the Republicans. I don't want to hear one more word about bi-partisanship. I don't want anymore Republican policies followed by this administration.

I would never have voted for a Republican, especially a conservative, but people have had it. They want what they voted for and have never gotten. Real Democratic government who works to advantage its base.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 03:11 AM
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7. You are welcome. Bipartisanship has to work two ways and it has not done so
in recent memory. The GOP will never cross the aisle in a meaningful way. Teddy tried with No Child Left Behind and got screwed. Obama had his hand bitten off by them.. This is not the GOP of Rockefeller and Goldwater and we sure aren't the Democratic Party of Roosevelt.
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gleaner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 05:16 AM
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15. Again, beautifully said ....
This is the Republican party of torturers, complete self interest, and war criminals. You can't work with sociopaths and most of them seem to qualify. I can't understand why anyone would even want to try. They stole eight years and that is enough.
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unapatriciated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 09:47 PM
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46. and the reptilian repugs enjoyed every last bite.


you know they can't eat just one.
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 04:02 AM
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8. K&R
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 04:03 AM
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9. hhahahahha, so that's why people in Mass voted for Brown over Coakley, Bart Stupak ?
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 04:18 AM
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10. Nope. It was because the party chose a candidate of entitlement
and didn't encourage any primary GOTV.Folks are disgusted with both parties putting politics and self interest over people and the record turnout supports that.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 04:19 AM
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11. Clinton probably shouldn't have endorsed Coakley in the Primary
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 04:35 AM
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13. Maybe but what did that have to do with no party primary GOTV?
And how is Clinton responsible for her campaign, or is he now DSCC chair, or Party Chair? He wanted her apparently and so did the the party apparatus who just "assumed" she would win and you know what they say about that!
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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 04:22 AM
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12. Isn't it past your bedtime, JI7, or
is your mom's basement where you actually sleep? :)
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 03:58 PM
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32. Keep laughing. Keep ignoring what you know is the message.
Keep denigrating people.

And keep losing.

Your choice.
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inthebrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 05:13 AM
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14. Well the moderate right approach of Obama
while ignoring the left certainly has reaped rewards tonght.

I'm sure the turd polishers are out in force on this one.

MA voters could not tell the difference between Coakley and Brown. The left stayed home as the Dems saw a 50% drop off in turnout from the presidential election. Brown matched McCain's vote totals.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 05:18 AM
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16. what garbage.
real garbage. Provide even 1 quote of anyone in the leadership speaking against unions, but aside from all that,you demonstrate complete ignorance of why this race was lost.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 05:23 AM
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17. Really?Didn't the so called leadership want to tax the so called "Cadillac'
Edited on Wed Jan-20-10 05:24 AM by saracat
health insurance and didn't the unions protest, or did you miss that? Those benefits were earned through union arbitration and taxing them as though they were the wealthy is speaking against unions as far as i am concerned and the unions sure took it that way as well.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 06:29 AM
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18. sorry, that is not speaking out against unions
and the cadillac tax, much as I'm against it, is not relegated to union members. beyond that, local politics is largely the reason coakley lost. you have to completely ignore the facts on the ground not to recognize that.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 12:40 PM
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26. The unions felt it was spitting on rights gained by collective bargaining, and they said so.
And local politics are partof the picture but in todays economy they are inextricably intertwined.The Democratic Party on all levels failed in its messaging, leadership and GOTV.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 08:03 PM
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34. Sorry, all politics is local and Mass has much the same concerns as the nation
the infighting systemic in the national party is reflected in the local. You would have to completely ignore ALL the facts on the ground nationally to not recognize that fact.Voters are dissatisfied nationwide.And this time it is not with Bush. This time the Democrats are bearing the brunt of the anger locally and nationally.We are paying for that absurd strategic ambivalence that the Party apparatchniks thought they could pass off as strategy and assumed no one would notice the arrogance.Whoops.We need to return to being Democrats and drop kick the attitude.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 02:29 PM
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29. I do believe the President 'digging in' and insisting on that excise tax might have suggested
less than enthusiastic support for union workers. Just a guess but the union leaders did threaten to pull their support in 2010 if it went through. They, apparently, took it that way. I just took it as another FU to the working and middle class and another protection for the top who would have been taxed by the House plan.
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 08:22 AM
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19. So you could have stopped it but didn't = its your fault
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lame54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 08:42 AM
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23. you forgot your sarcasm tag
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rudy23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 08:26 AM
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20. Don't forget that they were directly attacking the online community, too
Who knows what kind of organizing could have been done if blogging didn't involve swatting away DLC trolls half the time.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 08:33 AM
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22. +1
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xiamiam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 09:00 AM
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24. good point..and unfortunately true..nt
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 08:32 AM
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21. Someone certainly thought no one would notice.
Now watch this drive.
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invictus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 09:06 AM
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25. K&R
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DisgustedInMN Donating Member (956 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 01:47 PM
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27. K&R
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crikkett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 01:50 PM
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28. Perhaps the people of Mass. are curious to see exactly how bad things can get? n/t
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Blue Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 03:55 PM
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30. Tell me more
of this "Democratic Leadership" you speak of -- it doesn't sound familiar to me...
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 03:57 PM
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31. And where in all of that is poverty???
Why are we poor folk continually ignored?

How can we be expected to be ignored, and yet keep voting (let alone working!) for those who can't even SEE us?

That the hell is it going to take???????

:wtf:
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 05:53 PM
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38.  Money.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 07:43 PM
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39. So, then, we're the walking dead.
I feel sooooo much better.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 08:02 PM
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41. Sorry but I have no optimism left. It has been a tough day all around.
Politics seems to have trumped people in a big way. I would like to believe differently but the hope just isn't there.:hug: I am sad for us all.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 08:07 PM
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42. I can tell you that for a lot of us, its hard to face our deaths from all of this.
Especially since it will likely have to be at our own hands, with nobody giving a flying fuck.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 08:16 PM
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44. Please, Bobby stay strong. I know it is especially hard for many folks and more will be joining
their ranks. But we must remain strong.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 12:42 PM
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45. Strong 'til we break, eh?
"Tough" is what is ruining this country.

So, I will be me, and when I show signs of wear, if it doesn't measure up to the proper level of strong, please just turn your head, because its the best I can do.

This is all I got. Sorry it isn't enough.
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tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 07:01 PM
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33. K&R
:patriot:
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 08:09 PM
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35. They attack us, because they are trying to destroy us
as a political threat to their ways of doing business. They know we are a threat, and face it, we are. That's their problem, so let them attack us, while we work to take back this party from them. Start local....
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 08:12 PM
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36. K&R
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waiting for hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 10:12 PM
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37. K&R
:thumbsup:
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 07:44 PM
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40. K&R (but, what 'leadership'?)
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 08:09 PM
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43. "Where else will they go?"
Hide and watch, you arrogant assholes!

Hide and watch!
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