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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 02:07 PM
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82% of Obama Voters who Voted for Brown in MA Support the Public Option (~10% of total vote)
Edited on Wed Jan-20-10 02:47 PM by jsamuel
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/1/20/827621/-82-of-Obama-Voters-who-Voted-for-Brown-in-MA-Support-the-Public-Option


Obama voters who voted for Brown:

82% support for Public Option
32% support for Baucus Bill


Obama voters who stayed home:

86% support for Public Option
34% support for Baucus Bill


The point to draw from this, in my opinion, is not that people voted based on Brown's votes, but because of frustration (in part) with not getting things done the way they were promised (not bringing change).

If my calculations are correct, this represents about 10-12% of all votes cast in the election. More than enough to make the difference. http://act.boldprogressives.org/cms/sign/mapollresults/

85% of "Obama voters who voted for Brown" are independents.
89% of "Obama voters who stayed home" are Democrats.

It is entirely possible that voters voted for Brown or stayed home to punish Democrats for not passing a Public Option.
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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 02:08 PM
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1. wonder if the WH is aware of this . . . . (of course they are)
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Faryn Balyncd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 03:54 PM
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38. "If Barack Obama’s bill gets changed to exclude the public entities, it is not...reform" Howard Dean

"If Barack Obama’s bill gets changed to exclude the public entities, it is not health insurance reform…it rises and falls on whether the public is allowed to choose Medicare if they’re under 65 or not. If they are allowed to choose Medicare as an option, this bill will be real health care reform...."

- Howard Dean


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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 02:08 PM
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2. There is a 100% chance that Brown will vote against the Public Option
if he ever gets a chance

sorry
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 02:09 PM
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6. absolutely
the point to draw from this, then, is not that people voted based on Brown's votes, but because of frustration (in part) with not getting things done the way they were promised (not bringing change)
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 02:11 PM
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10. If that's the case - those people are idiots and voted against their own self-interest
Edited on Wed Jan-20-10 02:11 PM by jpak
and they will not get any progressive votes from Brown - evah
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 02:13 PM
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12. these people are probably not progressives (85% are independents)
Edited on Wed Jan-20-10 02:44 PM by jsamuel
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BR_Parkway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 02:15 PM
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15. Because holding their nose and voting for someone who doesn't do
squat has worked out so well in the past. They're not idiots, they're exercising the only power left to them when the folks they sent to work on their behalf doing the opposite because they have no other "option".

Just ask the LGBT community, we've been through the "promise and forget" cycle we look just like the classical definition of battered wife syndrome
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 02:43 PM
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Sorry - Martha would have done "squat" - just like Teddy
Edited on Wed Jan-20-10 03:23 PM by jpak
and now they have a LGBT-friendly teabagger with a curling iron!!111

What are people smoking here?

:rofl:
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BR_Parkway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 09:15 AM
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39. It's not the tea-bagger who needed to wake up, it's the majority party
who can't get anything done. Sorry, they like to pretend they can't as they go back on their promises in search of the corporate dollars.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 02:15 PM
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16. Perhaps they felt that voting for him would make him irrelevant if filibuster rule gets nuked...
... as a result of this election's results. This election will force some hard decisions to embrace something like reconciliation or nuking of filibuster rules that should have been done earlier.

Ultimately, we'll replace Brown later, just like Minnesota replaced Coleman eventually.
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 02:40 PM
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22. Wow - that's a stretch
nice try though

:rofl:

:hi:
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Hawkowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 02:49 PM
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30. Irrationality is the NORM
People are irrational all the time. The mistake is believing that most people sit down and run cold, cost-benefit analysis on politicians.

This election was a full fledged temper tantrum. It doesn't have to make sense. It was to be expected.

What the Democratic Party leaders need to do is internalize this election and then extrapolate that they are going to get a thermonuclear TEMPER TANTRUM in November unless they start lavishing attention on the base. THE BASE WINS ELECTIONS. Not by their numbers but by their passion in motivating others to turn out in a positive bit of irrationality.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 02:15 PM
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13. Thank you, Captain Obvious.
Edited on Wed Jan-20-10 02:15 PM by Ian David
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 02:44 PM
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24. cute kitty!
:hi:
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 02:43 PM
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23. There was 100% chance that the public option would not be in any bill coming up for a final vote nt
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ObamaKerryDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 02:08 PM
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3. And yet they voted for an anti-reform Repub..
Edited on Wed Jan-20-10 02:09 PM by ObamaKerryDem
:thumbsdown:

:banghead:
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 02:10 PM
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7. Yup - they got themselves a curliing-iron-armed teabagger
idiots
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 02:47 PM
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29. 100% of them are apparently total fucking idiots
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leeroysphitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 09:27 AM
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40. That isn't really fair. There are only TWO parties.
If people are unhappy with one party they only have three choices: A stay home, B vote for the "other" party or C keep voting for the party that is making them unhappy.

Those are pretty crappy choices and there is no reason to act surprised that folks chose A and B.
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KingFlorez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 02:09 PM
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4. Very telling
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 02:09 PM
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5. It could be 100% for a public option but we aren't going to get it.
This isn't a democracy it seems.
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Faryn Balyncd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 02:11 PM
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8. We need to digest this, and make a major course correction....K and R




:hi:




Kick:
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 02:26 PM
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18. I think this just confirms what many progressives have been saying.
It is not that progressives won't be there, but that independents will vote for Republicans if Democrats don't follow up on progressive policies.
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 02:11 PM
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9. fascinating stuff. K&R n/t
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 02:12 PM
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11. Wow.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 02:15 PM
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14. So after a moment of clarity, they've gone back to OozeBeckistan
brainwashed, bone-ignorant Palinites.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 02:17 PM
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17. Stupid on display
all over the world. It's just.so.sad... I'm an o'lady who has NEVER been able to figure out why folks choose competition/violence over cooperation/peace. I've also watched as the American body politic has been poisoned by the aforementioned. I expected Brown's victory and weep for the land of my birth... :cry:
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 02:27 PM
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19. President Obama opposed the public option. Is that a problem?
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 02:31 PM
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20. Obama did not oppose a public option.
Edited on Wed Jan-20-10 02:34 PM by jsamuel
He may not have fought hard for it, but I wouldn't say he opposed it. It was part of his campaign in 2008.

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/healthcare/index.php

Offers a public health insurance option to provide the uninsured and those who can’t find affordable coverage with a real choice.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 02:45 PM
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26. It was becoming obvious by August the President didn't want the PO
and he has already come out and told us our eyes and ears deceived us, that he did NOT campaign on a public option.
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 02:45 PM
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28. that is true
Edited on Wed Jan-20-10 02:46 PM by jsamuel
Obama doesn't want to be seen as 'losing' anything. So instead he just backtracks as to what he supported in the first place.
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 03:01 PM
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35. So it was no big deal to abandon the public option.
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 03:03 PM
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36. It was a big deal
I just don't think he actually opposed it. He turned on it for political expediency. That is not a good thing in my eyes either.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 02:33 PM
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21. Electorally savvy repukes could turn this into a coup
If the Senate was to now pass a SPO, McConnell and the rest of of the Repukes could claim it was because of them and take credit for the success.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 02:44 PM
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25. Then they deserve what they get for being a single issue voter
Because there is alot more damage that Brown can do other than HCR.
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 02:45 PM
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27. this is not a lesson for the voters, it should be a lesson for Democrats in general
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 02:58 PM
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32. Are you kidding me? That's how PA ended up with Rick Santorum
and trust me, one issue NEVER justified that man getting elected as a senator. NOT ONE ISSUE OUT THERE.

Scott Brown was not elected to vote on one issue - he was elected to vote on ALL issues.

Voters reap what they sow. Let's just hope Massachusetts doesn't screw up and run a week candidate against him in 2012. Santorum should have been 'One and Done'
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 03:00 PM
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34. its not the voters fault
Edited on Wed Jan-20-10 03:01 PM by jsamuel
it is never the voters fault

It is the activists and the politicians fault, always. Voters are the boss, either you didn't convince them well enough to see things your way or you aren't doing what your boss is telling you to do.

In this case, we convinced them to see things our way (Public Option) and then didn't do what they told us to do (Public Option).
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 02:51 PM
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31. How did we get stuck on this "public option" crap?
This is never what the left wanted now it's all we get to talk about. We need to get back to talking single payer. We need a real left wing solution not this watered down substitute. And if we can't get exactly what we want then we shouldn't except it. The liberals will own health care if they pass reform. Shouldn't it be a real liberal reform bill and not some half-assed half measure we never wanted in the first place? Except no reform unless its liberal reform. In the end we'll take the blame good or bad.
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 03:04 PM
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37. well
because we don't have the votes for single payer right now.

We may have the votes for a medicare expansion though. I am all for seeing if we do.
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Faryn Balyncd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 03:00 PM
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33. Most imporatant post . . . . . . . Thanks!
Edited on Wed Jan-20-10 03:00 PM by Faryn Balyncd
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