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Kadie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 07:19 PM
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Muslim anger over US military 'Jesus' scopes
Muslim anger over US military 'Jesus' scopes
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WASHINGTON (AFP) – Muslim groups reacted angrily Wednesday after it emerged that the US military in Iraq and Afghanistan were using rifle sights inscribed with coded Biblical references.

The Muslim Public Affairs Council (MPAC) called on US Defense Secretary Robert Gates to immediately withdraw from combat use equipment found to have inscriptions of Biblical references.

It followed a report from ABC television which revealed that Michigan-based contractor Trijicon had sold up to 800,000 of the sights to the US military which were being used in combat.

The report said the religious codes -- referencing passages from the New Testament -- appeared to be a violation of US military rules prohibiting proselytizing of any religion in Iraq or Afghanistan.

A statement posted on the Trijicon website said: "As part of our faith and our belief in service to our country, Trijicon has put scripture references on our products for more than two decades.

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/usmilitaryreligionweapons;_ylt=At37Z2Pg68ihUdWeISUWHtoFO7gF


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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 07:20 PM
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1. K&R
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 07:21 PM
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2. Rightfully so, and Muslims aren't the only ones offended.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 08:49 PM
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48. +1
Fugging madness
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 07:22 PM
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3. Especially given how important Jesus is in Islam NT
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rd_kent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 07:25 PM
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4. Fuck, AMERICANS are agry over this!
And we ALL should be.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 07:30 PM
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 07:31 PM
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9. Correction: Americans who understand what America stands for are angry about this.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 07:32 PM
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 07:33 PM
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12. Tell us about your America
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 07:33 PM
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13. Actually, I do. Would you like me to educate you?
Don't worry, I can translate to freeper.

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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 07:39 PM
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21. Your America is probably inhabited by inbred racists with three teeth between them.
The plus side being that the taffy lasts a long time.

Am I close?
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Terra Alta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 07:49 PM
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32. judging from your recent posts...
"your America" will most likely include a pizza. :hi:
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 08:40 PM
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47. Ditto oh clueless one.
:evilgrin:
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rd_kent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 07:37 PM
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17. Thanks, jgraz, for the support
:fistbump:
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 07:39 PM
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23. Don't worry, you can still kick my ass in the gungeon
But everyone on this board agrees more than they disagree. Except, of course, for the current cat toy we're playing with.
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rd_kent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 08:59 PM
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50. Yup.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 07:33 PM
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11. You like this?
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rd_kent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 07:39 PM
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19. Maybe YOU aren't, but you should be.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 07:39 PM
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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 07:29 PM
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5. interestingly, i have trijicon sights
on my police duty weapon. can't find any inscription
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PSzymeczek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 07:38 PM
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18. Check the end of
the serial number.
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 09:38 PM
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64. I've been wondering about this
I want to know if they put them on all their sights or just those manufactured for the military.

-Hoot
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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 09:41 PM
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65. i can't find them on my cop sights
and YES, i unloaded the gun (and detached the slide) before holding it up to my face...

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ManiacJoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 11:13 PM
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73. It seems to be limited to certain models of the scopes.
All the pictures in the media are showing the full size ACOG scopes.

My Compact ACOG from the 1990's does not have the markings, but there is also no room on the smaller scope to put it.
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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 12:19 AM
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77. that's my belief
i was not casting doubt on the story, just saying THESE sights (the ones i have on my dept. weapon) don't have em.

unless they are microstamped by keebler elves so they are too small to see :)
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 07:29 PM
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 07:34 PM
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15. Scopes make it easier to kill from long distances
How are they saving lives? And how do bible verses in them make them better?
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conscious evolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 08:32 PM
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44. ibts
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 09:00 PM
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51. I know IBTL
What is IBTS?
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conscious evolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 09:13 PM
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55. In Before TombStone
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 09:15 PM
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58. Ah, I see!
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RagAss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 07:29 PM
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7. I wouldn't want to be captured with one of these.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 07:34 PM
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 07:37 PM
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16. Mmm... who else smells PIZZA?
Edited on Wed Jan-20-10 08:17 PM by jgraz
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RagAss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 07:41 PM
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24. I smell mushroom and onions.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 07:46 PM
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31. Damn, now I'm hungry.
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 07:42 PM
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28. This thread is like a magnet for stoopid. n/t
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bbinacan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 08:11 PM
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40. Based on your behavior
I'd think you might be his sister.:evilgrin:
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RagAss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 07:39 PM
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22. When you make religion a contest...everyone plays to win.
And by the way...we are all animals.
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KonaKane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 07:53 PM
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37. Oh, for sure, it's all "them"
I mean after all, wasn't it THEM who lied their governments into a war of invasion and occupation of our natio....ooops, wait a minute....
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Alias Dictus Tyrant Donating Member (401 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 07:41 PM
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25. The Jesus scopes were stupid...
...but so is the Muslim reaction. Both the sides need to STFU. I am a lifelong atheist that doesn't really care about the religious beliefs of others, but I have little patience for whiners and ninnies who get the vapors at the slightest perceived offense to their delicate sensibilities.

Yeah, Trijicon was stupid. Yeah, the Muslim Public Affairs Council is equally stupid for having such a pathetic religion that they get all hot and bothered when Trijicon does something stupid. They deserve each other.


Their gods have such fragile egos that is surprising to me that they haven't committed suicide in a fit of emo pique.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 07:41 PM
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26. This thread is like flypaper!
:rofl:
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 07:43 PM
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29. Actually, it's more like maggot-paper.
They're certainly crawling out of their holes.
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Kadie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 09:13 PM
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57. I guess so.
Whoosh...

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timeforpeace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 07:42 PM
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27. Fix it quick. You remember what happened last time due to Muslim anger.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 07:50 PM
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33. I wonder how many people fall for your Lennon avatar.
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invictus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 07:44 PM
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30. Of course they have Bible codes. This is a Christian and Jewish holy war to smite infidel Muslims ..
... and save the holy land for the Jews so Jesus can return with his red heifer. Don't believe me? Just as Pat Robertson.

:sarcasm:
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Obamanaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 07:54 PM
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39. I thought the non muslims are the infidels. It is so hard to keep the
players straight any more.
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LLStarks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 07:50 PM
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34. Trijicon has absolutely zero shame. Fuck them. nt
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KonaKane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 07:51 PM
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35. Quelle ironie!
The fundie whackos in this country are constantly bawling about how Islam is waging a holy war against us....and yet it's the American Christian side (you know, the side with their military all over the globe) actually bringing back the Crusades by sticking Bible verses on the rifle sights.

Nice going, idiots.
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Obamanaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 07:52 PM
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36. If one is shot by a bullet from such a weapon, does it affect the wound
if the scope has such an inscription? Probably not.

If a muslim is given a weapon with such a scope, and he finds it offensive, remove the scope.

If he buys such a weapon, have it removed prior to the purchase.

If he is shot with such a weapon, bad luck got hime - with or without a scope.

This is such a non argument, carrying political correctness way too far.
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 07:54 PM
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38. Screw em, I am angry over how they treat women, etc
:)
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joe_sixpack Donating Member (655 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 08:24 PM
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41. Would it be less offensive
If we shot them with rifles that had verses of the Koran on the barrels? Just asking.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 08:30 PM
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43. It would be less offensive if my tax dollars weren't used to propagate someone's sky daddy myth
Just saying...
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invictus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 08:37 PM
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46. LOL at "sky daddy"
Edited on Wed Jan-20-10 08:37 PM by invictus
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Obamanaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 09:21 PM
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59. Would the price of the scope be different without the inscription? nt
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 12:32 AM
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78. Yes. It would cost one less Constitutional Amendment.
Kind of a nice discount, don't you think?
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 09:50 PM
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68. How 'bout NO verses?
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 08:27 PM
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42. At least this journalist got the story right.
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invictus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 08:36 PM
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45. It reminds me of that hillbilly sniper in Saving Private Ryan who quoted the Bible whenever ...
... he killed someone with his sniper rifle. I wonder how many of those nutjobs we have over there praying to Jesus while killing "infidels."
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RedCappedBandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 08:58 PM
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49. Biblical references.. on tools of death. Ironic.
..or maybe not so much
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ManiacJoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 11:19 PM
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75. Maybe, but the references do not seem random.
The all reference light. Note that Trijicon specializes in low-light optics that do not require batteries.
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deaniac21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 09:04 PM
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52. I'm guessing they don't like the sniper shots either.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 09:06 PM
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 09:22 PM
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61. Nope,
Christianity is. What is it about these monotheistic religions that foster such thin skin and insecurity?
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 09:29 PM
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63. Hell, I'M a Christian--they ain't got anything on the zealots on my side of the steeple. nt
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 09:45 PM
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67. oh yeah, hello?! No, I think xianity is..the majority and SO insecure.
so tired of it also....
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 09:12 PM
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54. Aaand.... it's dead.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 09:13 PM
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56. And one to go.
:)
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 09:22 PM
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60. At least he'll have more time to spend with his "mate".
I'm sure the pigs aren't thrilled about that.
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 09:24 PM
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62. Too many flies, too few fly swatters. -nt
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 12:42 AM
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79. Was it killed with a JC quoted scope? n/t
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 09:43 PM
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66. Rightfully so. I can't believe all of the people defending this crap.
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steveorg Donating Member (18 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 10:11 PM
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69. Punish the contractor
Edited on Wed Jan-20-10 10:19 PM by steveorg
It's amazing that they don't see anything wrong with imposing their religion on a government related activity. They're probably one of those super-patriotic love the country but hate the Constitution types.

I say make them replace all degraded scopes with non-religious ones at no cost.
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Thothmes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 10:57 PM
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72. possible if the Government can produce a copy of the
contract that shows inclusion of the verses was prohibited. If it was not prohibited by the contract and the government inspectors accepted the scopes, chances are that there is no legal leg to stand on. No one has said that the scopes do not function as the government intended them to function.
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 10:12 PM
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70. k & R
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 10:48 PM
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71. Who would Jesus, um, snipe ?? nt
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 11:15 PM
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74. gee ya think?
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burning rain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 11:34 PM
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76. Stupid assholes at Trijicon.
This only stands to further--and needlessly--antagonize Afghans and Iraqis against our troops.

Of course it's also an affront to all Americans who value our secular republic.
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