Based on tweets and rumor? I guess nobody at Kos reads the newspaper anymore. Uninformed.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/1/25/830272/-This-place-has-lost-its-mind

No wonder they're not willing to criticize Sanders (he sold out on the Health Care bill).

Here's a hint for all those people who don't read (newspaper, books, get all their info online
and from the idiot box, and have the gall to criticise DUers for not knowing the story):

The US per capita spending burden increases by over 1% every year.

A spending freeze is a per capita spending CUT on every program for the poor.

A spending freeze that excludes defense and includes continuing demolition of
public housing and welfare (which Obama WANTS to kill) is by definition unjust.

A spending freeze that does not include GETTING OUR $2 TRILLION BACK FROM WALL STREET...

...IS NOT A SPENDING FREEZE. IT IS A BANK ROBBER JUSTIFYING HIS CRIME.

Geez this country has gotten so conservative.

Guess some people don't like to hear the truth. They want to keep us in the dark talking about "you haven't read anything about this plan, the devil is in the details, we will never be privy to the details."

It's sad to see DUers respond negatively to a request to get back the money from Wall Street.

If it's US debt held by Wall Street, then it's the most idiotic idea I've ever heard. If it's TARP money, there is no issue, the banks are repaying it already.

Simply pretend that the only largesse the government has heaped upon Wall Street is the TARP, thus ignoring the trillions in additional aid, including massive tax cuts ($35 BILLION for Citi in 2009 alone!) and "credit facilities" (totaling in the TRILLIONS!) that the Obama admin has extended to the banks.

It really is a sorry argument for a News Based forum, but what else have they got? :shrug:

That's a strange myth that has been propagated.

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But EVERYTHING ELSE must be "revenue neutral"!

what $2 trillion, exactly. it is not a number that i have seen, so please back it up.

Where do you think the massive deficit increase is COMING from?

i am as suspicious as the next person about where our tax dollars go and why. but i still want to see actual numbers.

anybody who bother to post here has 2 choices- back it up, or apologize for talking out your ass.

you can start here, for example:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&as_q=trillions+bailout+wall+street&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&num=100&lr=&as_filetype=&ft=i&as_sitesearch=&as_qdr=all&as_rights=&as_occt=any&cr=&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&safe=images





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much more at: http://motherjones.com/politics/2009/12/behind-real-size-bailout

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ok, try this one-TARP overpayment: This June, the Congressional Budget Office estimated that the federal government would lose $159 billion from its TARP loans and investments due to changes in their market value. (So far, Treasury has earned $14.4 billion in dividends from TARP.)

see, my point here is that people are throwing around numbers as though they were amounts that the federal government distributed and will never see again. in point of fact, many numbers are guarantees that we will never have to make good on, many numbers are maximum amounts that far exceed actual payouts to date, and many numbers are loans that are already being paid back, with interest. so, just in the example i cite- in june it was estimated that tarp might lose $159B, but in fact, it earned $14B. so, just tossing around a bunch of numbers that ya found on the google is not really the same thing as having the facts.

:)

picking numbers off a google search is not the same as knowing what you are talking about.

As for FHA and Treasury actions, the only two of note are TARP and the tax breaks which only total a little over $400 billion in aid to banks.

Do some research on your own and stop expecting others to do it for you.

i have researched it. that's why i know the op is full of it.

fyi, "google is your friend" is an insult.

You should look up OMB documents and CBO reports some time.