PBS Bill Moyers "Buying The War"

They have the TRANSCRIPT up .... incase anyone wants it.

That show was everything it said it would be. Can't write on here what I am really feeling.

Here's the link for the Transcript.... http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/btw/transcript1.html

the Knight Ridders reporters and here is the last link I read, posted ar 12:40...

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/blog/2007/04/chat_now_with_knight_ridder_re.html

Chat Now with Knight Ridder Reporters Jonathan Landay and Warren Strobel"
Tonight's broadcast, "Buying the War" introduced you to intrepid Knight Ridder (now McClatchy) reporters Jonathan Landay and Warren Strobel, who between them have over 40 years experience reporting on foreign affairs and national security.
Posted by: S.L. Phillips | April 26, 2007 12:40 AM
Dear Jonathan and Warren,
Thank you for not doubting yourselves and for daring to speak the truth even though everyone else in "big" media was eating out of the mis-administration's hand in the run-up to this senseless war. You deserve the Pulitzer prize for your reporting.
Thanks to you, Bill Moyers, and PBS for tonight's program.
I am delighted, as someone who has always opposed this war, that the story of how "big" media was used as a propaganda tool is finally being told. I only hope the media and the American people will learn the many lessons of this horrific war so that nothing like it happens in the future.
The Bush mis-administration's deception and its consequences should be grounds for impeaching and convicting Bush and Cheney. They are both guilty of crimes against humanity and I hope they are made to bear the consequences of what they have done. I know this will probably not happen, but it is what they and those they have wronged deserve.
FYI, I've been trying to post since 10:30, the server is being overwhelmed by our comments! This is great!

minute beginning at 10:15, and it was still active at 2:30 or so! Quite a response. That in itself should be telling, but we won't hear about it from the complicit M$M i'm afraid.

:mad: The Atlanta PBS Station isn't going to show it at all and Georgia Public Broadcasting moved it to 2:30pm Sunday Afternoon when almost nobody will see it. I can't even tell you how pissed off I am about this.

Oh and before someone pipes up that maybe they preempted it for something important, NO! They show some stupid show about the "Red Hat Ladies Society," so NO, That wasn't it! :grr: :nuke:

I posted about it here: <http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=755942&mesg_id=755942>

Maybe you could do me a favor and post that link there, Thanks.

you can find it and watch it online.

I'll probably watch it tomorrow, thanks

the ones who need to view it the most, and are likely the ones whom Moyers criticized the most.

I don't what's going on with Atlanta Public Broadcasting, they moved FRONTLINE to Sunday Afternoon too, but I figured it was because people with cable in Atlanta had two channels showing the same thing, but now I just don't know.

They did just add 2 NPR HD Radio Channels to the one they already had, so maybe they just don't have the budget for it anymore, I don't know. :shrug:

I'm from Atlanta also. The media is a bunch of scared republican hypocrites. The truth scares them, so they try to avoid it.

It can really get aggravating when it's seems that only us here in Georgia seem to remember that.:pals:

of your local newspaper is in order. If no one makes noise about it they'll continue to censor what we see, read and hear. I can't believe "public" television in your area has sunk this low. Not presenting both sides of an argument leads to more bone-headed moves like the Iraq war. I'd be pissed as hell if I were you.

The Atlanta-Journal/Constitution is sold out years ago and are a major part of the problem in this town.

And since we (Democrats) haven't had our votes counted since the 2000 election (if then) when our traitorous Democratic Secretary of State Cathy Cox sold us out to the Diebold Corporation, they (the Rethugs) just ignore us anyway.

Sorry, we really need the help of ALL American Democrats from outside of Georgia to put pressure on these bastards who are reversing all the gains we made here over the last 60 years in Georgia.

Ya know, this brings up a question that I need to find the answer to.

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution is owned by Cox Enterprises.

Cathy Cox (Lera Catharine "Cathy" Cox) was our traitorous "Democrat" Secretary of State.

The question is, are they related?:shrug:

Btw, Cox Enterprises also owns these other "newspapers": <http://www.coxnews.com/html/properties.html>

Austin American-Statesman (TX) info site
Dayton Daily News (OH) info site
JournalNews (OH) info site
Longview News-Journal (TX) info site
Palm Beach Daily News (FL) info site
Rocky Mount Telegram (NC) info site
Springfield News-Sun (OH) info site
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution (GA) info site
The Daily Advance (NC) info site
The Daily Reflector (NC) info site
The Daily Sentinel (CO) info site
The Daily Sentinel (TX) info site
The Lufkin Daily News (TX) info site
The Marshall News Messenger (TX) info site
The Middletown Journal (OH) info site
The Palm Beach Post (FL) info site
Waco Tribune-Herald (TX) info site

Info on weekly newspapers

¡ahora sí! (TX, Spanish language) site
Bastrop Advertiser (TX)
Beaufort-Hyde News (Belhaven, NC)
Bertie Ledger-Advance (Windsor, NC)
Fairfield Echo (OH) site
Farmville Enterprise (NC)
Florida Pennysaver ( West Palm Beach, FL) site
Lake Travis View (Austin, TX)
LaPalma (FL, Spanish language) site
Mundo Hispánico (GA, Spanish language) site
North Lake Travis (Lago Vista, TX)
Oxford Press (OH) site
Perquimans Weekly (Elizabeth City, NC)
Pflugerville Pflag (TX)
Pulse-Journal ( Mason, OH) site
Round Rock Leader site
Smithville Times (TX)
Standard Laconic (Snow Hill, NC)
The Chowan Herald (Edenton, NC)
The Duplin Times (Kenansville, NC)
The Enterprise (Williamston, NC)
The Nickel-Grand Junction (Grand Junction, CO)
Times-Leader (Ayden-Grifton, NC)
Weekly Herald (Robersonville, NC)
Western Star (Lebanon, OH) site
Westlake Picayune (Westlake Hills, TX)

"Related Operations"
Cox Custom Media (Greenville, SC) info site
COXnet (Atlanta, GA) info site
Cox News Service (Atlanta, GA) info site
Cox Target Media, Inc. (Largo, FL) info site
PAGAS Mailing Services (Tarboro NC) info site
Newsprint (Atlanta, GA) (33% owned) info site
Valpak (Largo, FL, Elm City, NC) info site (Where all that Junk Mail originates)
Washington Bureau (Washington, D.C.) info site

Plus, they also own Cox Communications, the 4th largest Cable T.V. Corp.

Make a big deal about it - the IRONY that a show about complicit media would be CENSORED by complicit media! Incredible!

not the solution!

That was so, so good. Thank God he's back on the air.

I plan on buying many DVD's and sharing them anywhere I can.

Now that the Media has been nailed on there White House complicity and with being lazy journalist; wouldn't it be about time they tried to show responsible journalism once again?

...as soon as Dim-Son is out office and a Democrat is back in the White House, they'll start investigating every stupid little non-issue again, like "Travel-gate" and money losing land deals like "whitewater."

What I want to know more than anything right now is, WHY are the very people who were so publicly and spectacularly WRONG about everything-- neocons like Bill Kristol--why are they still on all the talk shows and treated like "experts"?

Isn't there some penalty in our media for being discredited? Likewise, shouldn't the people like Scott Ritter who were RIGHT but ignored be publicly vindicated? There doesn't seem to by any justice in the lamestream media.

..."WHY are the very people who were so publicly and spectacularly WRONG about everything-- neocons like Bill Kristol--why are they still on all the talk shows and treated like "experts"?

The answer? Because nothing has fundamentally changed about the way the corporate media "researches" their stories. They rely on the same lying, partisan scum who got sold them a bill of goods in the first place because they still don't have real investigative journalists in place. It's all about the bottom line, "shareholder value". They dare not spend money on an investigative infrastructure, the stock may go down a few points. Plus the fact that the corporate media is beholding to the Bush administration for their huge tax cuts. Don't bite the hand that feeds you, that kind of stuff. These pundits that they always quote as "expert sources" haven't been embarrassed enough in public to tell the truth yet. Of course, who could we count of to embarrass them? The same corporate media that continually employs them?

Nope, until these charlatans are revealed and ridiculed for their partisan "catapulting of the propaganda" our corporate media will continue to quote them as "experts". Pretty fucked up, isn't it?

Re >>It's all about the bottom line, "shareholder value". They dare not spend money on an investigative infrastructure, the stock may go down a few points. Plus the fact that the corporate media is beholding to the Bush administration for their huge tax cuts. Don't bite the hand that feeds you, that kind of stuff.<<

Bill Moyers (or one of the people he interviewed) touched on some of what you said when he said it's cheaper to have pundits on than to do actual investigative journalism. But you'd think if nothing else they could at least get a better class of pundits, not these windbags who have already made fools of themselves in public--and usually more than once.

>>These pundits that they always quote as "expert sources" haven't been embarrassed enough in public to tell the truth yet. Of course, who could we count of to embarrass them? The same corporate media that continually employs them?<<

Well, the viewers could embarrass them if we wanted to make the effort. E-mail the station and ask them why they had X on when he's already proven himself a liar and a fool. And then quote something the individual said during the run-up to the war to let the network know you remember his track record.

yelling and screaming at the television......I hope the neighbors didn't hear. The dog didn't come out from under the kitchen table until it was over. He's no fool. That's the safest place when "dad" is having one of his "Bush moments". :rofl:

It's stuff we at DU have known all along, but to FINALLY see it presented in chronological order, to see it presented AT ALL, was breathtaking.

As with the lead up to the war the media continues to give the Bush Administration a near complete pass. While the Moyer program was excellent it didn't address my concern that this media manipulation continues today. I realize I'm stating the obvious. If something isn't done to actually rein in Bush and the machine we are only going to see a repeat performance.

Since the Democrat's return to power I've already heard that they are responsible for the deaths in Iraq, both of the American soldiers and Iraqi civilians. Statements like these from the administration go nearly unchallenged by the media. I'm just a bit disillusioned with this media.

trust any 'investigative' story out there. There were exceptions of course.

I kept wishing the show would at least once have someone ask the question "what was the REAL reason they took the countries to war.

The reporters danced and sang along right on cue. It was all a farce.

Many say "the media" didn't do it's job in the run-up to the war. I'm afraid, it did.

this exchange between Bill Moyers and Bob Simon. I copied this from the transcript:

DICK CHENEY (MEET THE PRESS NBC 9/8/02): It's now public that in fact he has been seeking to acquire and we have been able to intercept to prevent him from acquiring through this particular channel the kinds of tubes that are necessary to build a centrifuge and the centrifuge is required to take low grade uranium and enhance it into highly enriched uranium which is what you have to have in order to build a bomb."

BILL MOYERS: Did you see that performance?

BOB SIMON: I did.

BILL MOYERS: What did you think?

BOB SIMON: I thought it was remarkable.

BILL MOYERS: Why?

BOB SIMON: Remarkable. You leak a story, and then you quote the story. I mean, that's a remarkable thing to do.

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/btw/transcript1.html

I remember hearing a few brief reports at that time that disputed the "popular" opinion concerning the use of these tubes, but they just got buried under the crush of reporting that followed the White House propaganda. And this was just one of many instances that they brought to light last night.

Rice, and Powell to go on all the Sunday talk shows ON THE SAME DAY the leaked NYT story appeared, in order to point to the Times article as proof of their case--that was an organized effort to deceive the American people. If there is no punishment for this type of conspiracy, then we are in deep, deep kimchee.

Is it already out there?
A lot more people would pay atention if there's a video, with Moyer's intro and the actual footage of that horrific press conference. It's all there for everyone to see.

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/btw/watch.html

Click on "watch video" and it's about 2 minutes into Chapter 1.

If given the choice of continuing as the Founding Fathers intended or accepting a one-world government, the average American would choose to send Bush and the rest of the jackals to the Hague.

Got here in maybe 2004 or so.

It was eye opening to learn that Knight Rider was reporting more factual stuff so early.

one disturbing problem is Dennis needs people to co sponsor his articles of impeachment. These disgusting repigs were so hot to impeach Clinton, why are the Dems being so nice, it is time to play dirty, god knows, repigs sure have been.

geez, they sold a war, and look what we have now, 3,324 now dead for a lie. Thank god for Bill Moyers, these suckers will do it again with Iran if we do not stop these bastards!!

because Moyers' special kept coming up during his segment. He really came unhinged over Moyers' reporting on his cheerleading for war. Of course, he hadn't watched the show. Kristol went off on a really bizarre rant about Moyers insulting O'Reilly. It was off topic -- Kristol was visibly enraged.
The callers did a great job of refuting Kristol. And many cited Moyers' "Buying the War" as a reference.

...why not go and be interviewed and defend yourself?

Oh, that's right, because you have been found out...

I only hope that guilt will eat them up inside.

Hearing that makes me happy :)

I almost never watch anything live, I record everything for later viewing. Checked in to make sure I set my HTPC to record and could not turn away. Wonderful Journalism

I am enraged that this filthy government along with our press has done this to all of us, 3,324 dead, 25,000 wounded, when we will demand an end to this filthy war, and the asswipes who got us into it?

And like Moyers said at the end,the same clowns are still used as "experts" on the MidEast.It's why I don't watch cable news at all,and encourage others to do the same.

Talk about contrast.