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blue_onyx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 06:36 PM
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Toyota suspends sales and production of several vehicles
Edited on Tue Jan-26-10 06:38 PM by blue_onyx
Toyota has told its U.S. dealers to temporarily stop selling eight models with accelerators that may stick, the AP is reporting.

The company is also suspending production of the models for one week, beginning Feb. 1. Five plants in the United States and Canada will be affected.

The models are the RAV4, Corolla, Matrix, Avalon, Camry, Highlander, Tundra and Sequoia.

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2010/01/toyota-to-suspend-sales-production-of-8-models/1

I hope some buyers will consider purchasing from the US automakers now that the myth of superior quality has been broken.
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HopeHoops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 06:39 PM
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1. Now if they would only suspend sales of the REST of the models...
...then the roads would be less congested with idiots.

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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 06:41 PM
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2. I have been amazed at Toyota's ineptness of late. nt
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 06:55 PM
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3. Why? The failing accelerator pedals were made in the USA by CTS. The Japanese version...
...is apparently fine. Perhaps one should make sure of the country of
origin when one buys a car?

Tesha
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 08:27 PM
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5. The name on the damn car is TOYOTA NOT CTS, stop fecking defending them
Edited on Tue Jan-26-10 08:31 PM by DainBramaged
NO ONE HERE knows if it is an engineering defect, a compromise made in materials by Toyota to reduce costs, NO ONE KNOWS, so stop soft balling for Toyota, they SCREWED UP.


HOW COME THE ACCELERATIOR PEDALS MADE BY CTS FOR HONDA AND NISSAN AREN'T CAUSING PROBLEMS????????


Throttle-pedal assemblies from Toyota's other supplier, Denso,

are not all interchangeable

, eliminating that as a quick-fix solution, Toyota says.

CTS also supplies throttle assemblies to Honda, Nissan and Mitsubishi. Those companies say their designs are different and pose no risk of sticking open.




http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2010-01-25-toyotalong_st_N.htm?loc=interstitialskip

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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 08:51 PM
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6. The facts suck, don't they? All this trouble because an AMERICAN company f**ked up! (NT)
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 08:54 PM
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7. You have no idea what you are talking about, stop making yourself look foolish
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itsrobert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 08:54 PM
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8. um, it was Toyota responsible for Quality Control
Edited on Tue Jan-26-10 08:59 PM by itsrobert
Or do they not supervise their low bid contracts?
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 08:58 PM
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9. Don't waste your time, not worth it. The people defending them are hardly car people
Edited on Tue Jan-26-10 09:00 PM by DainBramaged
just people who forget what the name of the country is they live in and do web crap instead of real work with their hands..
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blue_onyx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 09:05 PM
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12. Of course...
Toyota fans defend the company no matter what happens. That or they are interesting absent from any threads that show Toyota in a bad light.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 09:14 PM
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15. I feel sorry for the dealerships, they have to explain and calm the customers
I have good friends who own a Toyota dealership, have for over 25 years. It's a great business for them, they sell nearly 200 cars a month in spite of the recession. This will hurt them, and it will hurt everyone involved down the line. And in spite of those who defend the parent company at the expense of American companies, I say, if you have an engineering degree and are privy to Toyota's design blueprints for the throttle assembly WHICH THEY THEMSELVES CANNOT FIND A SOULTON FOR then show us how to fix it instead of saying it's the fault of the American sub-contractor, BECAUSE IF THE DENSO ASSEMBLIES WERE IDENTICAL they would easily replace the CTS one, but apparently there IS a design difference so therein lies the problem.

Additionally I'd like to welcome all current Toyota customers who are thinking about a GM or Ford product. Remember, our frames don't rust, our engines don't sludge up ,and our throttles don't stick. And don;'t give me that crap about the Vega and Pinto. That was then, this is NOW. And Toyota can't get it right.
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quakerboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 10:07 PM
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18. I bought a Pontiac
And I may still be subject to the same problem. So the whole buy American thing is a bit bittersweet for some of us, particularly with this specific recall.
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 08:29 AM
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22. But the mild-steel clamps holding your brake hoses do corrode, leading to brakes that...
...freeze in the "applied" position. This, BTW, happened to
the rear disc brakes on both sides of my Ford Taurus. Better
steel or better anti-corrosion treatment on that ten-cent
part would have saved two fairly expensive (and safety-endangering
repairs).

And shall I mention my neighbor's garage under their bedroom?
And what their Ford Explorer's defective cruise control release
switch did to that garage?

But hey!, no need to listen to me 'cause I'm a "Toyota fan" and
don't know shit about cars or engineering or nuthin'!

Tesha
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 08:22 AM
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21. Strangly enough, I'm not a "Toyota fan".
I do not now own nor have ever owned a Toyota,
although I might consider a Prius someday.

Tesha
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 08:19 AM
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20. Actually, one of the most fundamental principles of Japanese-style quality management.,,
...is that you push the requirements for quality upstream
to the ultimate supplier. You can't "inspect in" quality; you
have to design it in to your products and processes.

Toyota may have put too much faith in CTS.

They probably won't make that mistake again.

Tesha


P.S.: These same quality principles are now used
by companies around the world and not just the
Japanese (although the principles did take rather
longer to set in to US companies, and obviuously
haven't quite reaches all of them yet).

It's a shame because I tended to hold CTS in fairly
high regard as a supplier of electronic components.
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ingac70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 05:58 PM
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25. Toyota has been aware of this problem since '03. n/t
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Skink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 07:02 PM
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4. Recalling vehicles from 05 means the Bean counters must have known.
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 09:03 PM
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10. Good thing my old Camry is a 1995 model! nt
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AwakeAtLast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 09:08 PM
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13. Mine, too.
60,000 miles and it's the best car I've ever had.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 10:11 PM
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19. I just bought a 95 Camry at the end of December. Lovely car so far. :)
Edited on Tue Jan-26-10 10:12 PM by OmmmSweetOmmm
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quakerboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 09:03 PM
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11. I wonder
Will this effect the Pontiac Vibe, the identical twin of the Matrix?
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blue_onyx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 09:12 PM
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14. Well...
There probably aren't any Vibes left to be sold so the sales/production stoppage won't be an issue. But the defect does effect the Vibe.

http://www.caradvice.com.au/54427/pontiac-vibe-included-in-toyota-sticking-accelerator-recall/
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quakerboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 10:05 PM
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16. I understood they were manufactured in seperate shops
Designed together, built apart. Could be wrong.

But if that is the case, then this would seem to be a design issue, not a quality control issue. I still tend to think its a computer program flaw, from all I've heard. The whole "Its the mats" "its the pedal" "its the pivot" seems like it might just be missing the problem. I guess time will tell. So far no problems with my car. And I figure if anything does come up, I will just pop it into neutral. Which is easy to do. At times too easy.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 10:05 PM
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17. I'm not in the market.
But just in case I suddenly gain a fairy godmother who showers me with funds,

which American cars are entirely manufactured, from raw materials to parts to finished product, in the U.S.?

I'll be happy to check them out.
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 08:33 AM
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23. No car is wholely manfactured in the US from solely US materials.
For good or for ill, it's a global market these days.

Tesha
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 08:37 AM
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24. And many of those "foreign" cars
are assembled right here, by American workers.

It makes loyalty to "American" cars problematic.
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ingac70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 06:03 PM
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26. Even the most American of American cars are 80%-90% American parts.
n/t
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