History buffs: When was the last time a POTUS called out the SCOTUS to their faces?

In front of the entire nation?


I honestly don't know... .and would doubt that it has happened since FDR.




BALLSY. Those 5 pricks can make his life miserable down the line.



That 20-30 seconds of the speech was awesome.

President Lincoln almost had Chief Justice Roger Taney arrested. But I don't think that was the last time.

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Welcome to DU! :hi:

He's already lit the fire......

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know what can be done. Dare we hope for Congress to do something?

or Truman.

His 'court packing' scheme. Ate up his political capital but they did get one justice to retire and a second to change his voting pattern. They had been ruling key new deal legislation unconstitutional.

I can't remember either LBJ or Truman having any problems with the courts. The reactionaries were eventually all replaced by FDR.

in this setting? There's no upside, and the downside is enormous. Besdies, you take the Supreme Court on in court, not on TV when they are a captive audience.

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it should be called out and often.

Good for the Prez.

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The SC has a right to their decisions and the other branches have a right to express their views.

And it was the high point for us. These judges want to make decisions that potentially adversely affect this country -- let them EXPECT to be called out on it.

It just might make them think twice the next time they want to hand off goodies to corporations.

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I will point out that no one is bound to "respect" a Supreme Court decision. If that were the case, Plessy v. Ferguson would still be the law of the land. It had to be upheld until overturned, but free-thinking people were allowed to deride it as the rationale for institutionalized racism that it was.

And you Republicans wouldn't be creaming in your khakis at the prospect of overturning Roe v. Wade if you "respected" their decisions.

Supreme Court decisions interpret the law, and the president is bound to uphold that law (Andrew Jackson's odious exception to the contrary), but they are allowed to question a decision even as they do, especially in public, since after all, the president is supposed to be accountable to the people. The Supreme Court is the uniquely non-democratic branch of government, not accountable to voters. So we count on the president to speak for us on these matters.

No one on this board gives two shits from a rat's ass what "independents" think. Independents are Republicans who are ashamed to admit they are Republicans, because on some level, they know what a festering mountain of rancid shit their party represents.

Now go away.

There is an op rising in the greatest list that does just that.

Other than that, thumbs up.

Sure you're an "independent". Sure you are.

You seem to have no clue about the 3 branches of gvt, what each does, how they are checks and balances. Maybe you should study up a bit on that?

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that in BushvGore, two of those pillars of government would not recuse themselves for conflict of interest--as one's wife was on *'s cabinet choosing committee and the other one's son was a legal adviser for *'s campaign. I would say there are some sitting on the bench who chose party over country and its' people. And, I totally disagree with you, there are many people on both sides upset with the decision--I think it looked like Obama showed his spine and spoke what others are feeling about the pillars of government's latest selfish interest decision!

as they do now.

They need their asses kicked.
Yeah, I said, it!
Take your SC sorry worshiping ass elsewhere.
I have them 5 assholes.

or are you saying that to another? Mr. pillars of government?

are Democrats... or even left-leaning.


Some are here to spread F.U.D.


Some are paid to do so.

His employer is getting ripped off. I think this one is just a garden-variety freelancer afraid that Obama may get a bounce in the polls.

infecting message boards and chat rooms...even Facebook.

let me see them be told legislation will be passed to deal with their recent interpretation of current legislation.

And I don't care how tired that phrase is--it applies here.

for his own failures, so for this particular evening, it was completely fine, even healthy. If they are so stuck up they can't take some criticism, well, tough.

"Surely never" is such an amazingly ignorant comment I don't even know where to begin ripping to shreds the idiotic notion that a POTUS chastising SCOTUS might be seen as "poor form." This nation has a history of the POTUS publicly and loudly facing off against the Court going back to its very foundations. This is not hidden history. Hell, I learned about some of it in grade school. Some instances of this are more famous than others, but few are obscure.

You've heard of Jefferson? Lincoln, FDR, LBJ? How about Andrew Jackson? Walk into a library with the entire Congressional Record and pick up the first volume covering the years of Jackson's administration. His open, public battles with SCOTUS start on PAGE ONE *in* a State of the Union address, and some of what he said makes Obama's remarks look tame.

Of course, you're correct. It *will* be seen as poor form by those walking through life with blinders who will criticize everything this President does or says.

just alert.

I normally ignore it, but the "surely not" just hit a raw nerve.

How very uncivilized of me. Please do forgive. I feel like I am piling on.

You are right to the extent that most people are unaware of the shit they just took on our democracy. The upside of any shaming is that it gets people talking.

The most startling moment of the evening, w/o question.

Even I was sitting here with a juvenile grin on my face saying "oh SNAP!" to that.

He done told them...

It gave me goosebumps.

n/t

Actually pretty poor taste by Obama in a major speech. Gotta show respect for all aspects of the government whether you agree or not.

He was polite.... while he was smacking them down.



And you freepers have never shown respect for the Supreme Court (Roe v Wade), so blow me.

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....then they deserve a punch in the face. Not figuratively either.



You're not fooling anyone, freeper. Your slip is showing.

Who else but a FReeper could watch that SOTU and not have anything good to say? And even making a cheap reference to a punch in the face? That goes beyond being an Obama critic, that's the sign of an Obama HATER.

Freeper spelling is SO predictable.

you're not fooling anyone.

Enjoy the pizza, Domino's was very lose with the cheese.

Ijit.

respect for the institution.

What is it "they" are always saying about activist judges again...?

anyone that agrees that they had the right to foist w on us in a cheated election. Everything falls into line after that seeing as Jeb had our ballots shredded to put his a###ipe brother in office.
I was there and an eyewitness to the shredding on election night, not after SCOTUS decided to end the recount as faux noise only showed the tape later after the witches in black robes killed democracy. Then we had the cheated 2004 vote. Scotus scalia, alito, thomas robberts, need to be impeached they lied to get into office.

ps. it is "lose"

but a democrat is supposed to be the nice guy, is supposed to take it on the chin even if that decision may further damage our (meaning the people's) chance of representation and our voices to be heard.

What? We may lose another ruling? I thought the supreme court justices were supposed to be impartial--supposed to be non-partisan--silly me!!:rofl:

I loved every minute of it, so I must be in the forty per cent who thought it's about damn time!

That could be seen as "disrespect." He gave a political view of the decision. That's fair.

Besides, the 5 deserved it.

Each party has about a 35% "base" which can be depended on no matter what. Obama won by getting a large number of independents. Those demographics are the ones turning away from Obama big time (ie Mass Senate). Seeming petty in public, will drive them farther away.

I am afraid Obama is starting to loose it a little bit. His speech came off tonite as slightly desperate and overly agressive.

You're not fooling anyone.


And your pizza is coming soon.

so it's not unprecedented in political conduct in the U.S.

Do you know what those 3 branches do?

Why is it ok for President Obama to rebuke congress and not the scotus?

incumbent is not to criticize the office. 5 Justices made a horrible decision - that does not reflect on the institution. It reflects on them. THEY were the ones he called out.

The court decision was poor taste, to put it lightly. To ignore it happened would have been even worse.

nothing about that decision was respectable

Transcript: Obama's first State of the Union speech, January 27, 2010, 10:21 pm

...during the State of the Union.


What we have here is an ideologue, among 4 others, on the highest court in the land. Another reminder of the the long-term devastation from another radical decision engineered by this court on December 12, 2000.














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"We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob."---FDR, October 31, 1936

FDR is my favorite 20th century POTUS.

He was for the people, saved the nation, and helped to stablize the world and bring on a long period of prosperity and relative peace for the USA.

Obama as FDR-like is my desire and one could wager the desire of most at DU and in the best interests of the USA and the world.

Obama as Reagan makes me puke as I was a Cal Berkeley student when Reagan was CA gov. and quit a career Fed job when he was POTUS (IMO POS)

The SCOTUS is politicized from the right by anti-constitionalists activists.

The POTUS decision in 2000 should never have occurred.


Then Cheney went duck hunting with Scalia and didn't shoot him in the face.

about an hours worth

yes, this was a very good speech.

Most famously in the aftermath of Worcester v. Georgia, "The decision of the Supreme Court has fell stillborn, and they find that they cannot coerce Georgia to yield to its mandate." This has erroneously been known as the "John Marshall has made his decision, now let him enforce it" speech. Jackson actually never said that.

Unfortunately, this defiance resulted in eventual upheaval and genocide for the Cherokee Nation. :-(

I still think Alito did that on purpose.

In any case I think that President Obama smacked down those 5 justices with grace and dignity, and I'm glad he did it.

They had it coming.

In this instance, I wouldn't have minded at all if Obama had said this to the SCROTUS.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugailEn8U5o

!!

with the judiciary Reorganization Bill of 1937.

It didn't pass, for a variety of reasons- but nevertheless accomplished its goal:

Justice Owen Roberts switched positions and began voting to uphold New Deal measures, effectively creating a liberal majority, ending the Lochner v. era and giving the government more power in questions of economic policies.

Journo's called it "the switch in time that saved nine."

Owen Roberts certainly had the fear of god from somewhere, and voted pretty consistently for FDR backed New Deal cases. He did buck the system when he voted against FDR on the Japanese American Internment camps though.

which he destroyed.

Not sure if Reagan or G.W. Bush did mentioned it in the SOTU with the SCOTUS present but they sure did not mind stating loudly that they disagreed with the decision. And neither do a lot of Republican lawmakers to this day. I don't see a fundamental difference between what Obama did and what the Republicans do in commenting on Roe v. Wade. And Obama mainly used the opportunity to call for a legislative fix, which is entirely a legitimate thing to put in the SOTU, imo.