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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 01:24 AM
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Palin's Signature in the $100 donation to SarahPAC books are apparently FAKE!
Well this is interesting!

Here's a link to the SarahPAC's 2009 disbursements: http://tinyurl.com/yhrmrjx

Palin's SarahPAC spent $6181.12 to purchase a MACHINE that signs FAKE signatures 'apparently' to add Palin's signature in the books that they are sending out to the folks that send in a $100 donation for a 'signed' book.

Schedule B - Auto Pen is listed as a purchase from Automated Signature Technology
http://tinyurl.com/yhrmrjx

Info on Automated Signature Technology
http://tinyurl.com/ybx5qjj

According to the Federal Election Commission Schedule B, SarahPAC bought $11,791.53 and $695.76 and $35,291.25 worth of Books for Fundraising Donor Fulfillment and for 'other' Donors.

No one actually thought she'd really sign those books herself, now did we?

But I betcha a bunch of her fans did! ;)
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ddeclue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 01:25 AM
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1. Ironically.. so is she...
:rofl:
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 01:28 AM
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2. Is that your find Tx?
Nice work! :thumbsup:
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 01:32 AM
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5. Yep I found it all by myself!
I sent an email to HuffingtonPost and to Gryphen at Immoral Minority and I've been Twittering about what I found.
Hope someone will pick it up :)
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zonkers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 02:33 AM
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13. Much hay ought to be made of this and probably will. Good show, Holmes.
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 03:14 AM
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14. K&R! Excellent find!
Sounds like something that KO or Rachel would report, too... :yourock:
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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 09:28 PM
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36. Damn, great find!
:yourock:
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 01:32 AM
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3. Did you see this?
Sarah Palin Uses PAC to Buy Her Own Book
Political Action Committee Paid More than $60,000 for Copies of 'Going Rogue' in Late 2009
By MATTHEW MOSK

Feb. 1, 2010 —

Sarah Palin has been using her political action committee to buy up thousands of copies of her book, "Going Rogue," in order to mail copies of the memoir to her donors, newly filed campaign records show.

The former Alaska governor and 2008 Republican vice presidential candidate had her political organization spend more than $63,000 on what her reports describe as "books for fundraising donor fulfillment." The payments went to Harper Collins, her publisher, and in some instances to HSP Direct, a Virginia-based direct mail fundraising firm that serves a number of well-known conservative politicians and pundits.

Sarah PAC spent another $8,000 on colorful bookmarks designed by a Nashville-based event branding firm. And her committee paid her publisher $20,000 for what appears to have been the cost of sending her personal photographer and another aide along on her book tour. Those expenses are listed by the PAC as travel repayment to Harper Collins.

All of the purchases took place in November and December of 2009, the records show.

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more @ http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/sarah-palin-pac-buy-book/story?id=9718024&hpid=moreheadlines

Everything about her is fake.

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cbdo2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-03-10 09:43 AM
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41. This should be investigated.....
The book was selling for just a few dollars on many websites and was highly reduced even on Amazon and B&N. What do you want to bet that her PAC paid full price for the book in some special arrangement where the money is funneled back to her?
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-03-10 10:20 AM
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47. It sure would inflate those sells numbers.
You know, the ones that had her on the best seller lists.

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KingFlorez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 01:32 AM
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4. They get what they pay for
A fake from a fake.
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Loudmxr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 01:33 AM
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6. They shoulda known by the signature "Sarah PAClin."
OK one more: They shoulda known when every one came out "To Debbie, Love Sarah"
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 01:33 AM
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7. Actually, legally those machines aren't considered fake.
I used to do stock transfers at a bank I worked at and the stock certificates have to be signed by the designated officers. The machines do them in ink with the real signature of the officer who put their signature in the machine once when it was calibrated. Obviously they can't sign every certificate so the machines do the job in ink with the correct signature. The signatures aren't copies or stamped. So technically it's legal. They used to let me keep the corporate seals in my desk too, locked of course. Of course I had a huge bond in the millions that they paid for me in case I got greedy. btw I made $375.00 a month for being so honest and trustworthy.
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comrade snarky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 02:27 AM
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12. They are in the collector market
Well, maybe not fake but worth a whole lot less.

For example a real Neil Armstrong autograph will be worth somewhere between between $1,000 to $30,000 depending on what the photo is of. On the other hand an old NASA autopen signed photo is worth maybe a hundred bucks. Maybe... Probably not that much.

I mean It's Sarah, so I'm surprised she doesn't use a machine at the bookstore signings but still, if they're selling these as a signed copy it's screwing the people who bought one thinking it might be worth something someday.

I'm sure they're used to the feeling. Really, how bright could they be?
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 10:52 AM
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21. A rubber stamp of a signature is also legal
but something tells me about half those people wouldn't have coughed up a benny for a book signed by a machine.
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northofdenali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 01:44 AM
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8. Off to the Greatest witchya.
I love hearing Palin stories. Friend of mine lives in Wasilla and says that family is not much "accepted" anymore.............
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notesdev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 02:03 AM
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9. Just like everything else about her
The "new" GOP, as conveniently managed by the old GOP.
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suede1 Donating Member (770 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 02:06 AM
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10. Wow, she really is the pits!
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 02:13 AM
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11. Fitting.
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lib_wit_it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 04:12 AM
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15. Nice find. K&R
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 05:22 AM
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16. Auto Pens Are Common...
I'll bet President Obama has one. How else do you crank out 10,000 "personalized" copies? I read of a former ball player who now makes a fortune going to collectable shows...has a paid staffer who spends their days using an auto pen on photos and baseballs...all he does is shows up at the show with a case of these things...sells 'em for $100 a throw...sits at a table and bullshits and maybe signs one or two, but leaves the rest to others. I think there are far more damning things to pick on Mooselini about...such as her laundering book sales to her PAC into cash in her pantsuit. My bets are most the people who bought the autographs could care less how it was signed.
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 04:47 PM
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32. And my bets are on that most people that find out will be pissed off.
It was a November fundraiser that announced 'a book signed BY Palin' and the people that dished out $100 for her signature were not told the book would be signed by a machine.

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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 06:01 AM
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17. Just like Rumsfeld
When he was caught using the machine to sign letters to fallen soldiers' families.
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Are_grits_groceries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 06:06 AM
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18. This is why they set up her signings like they did.
When you got to the table, they took the book you brought in and then you got one 'signed' by Palin. She was probably wiggling a pen around. Some people were upset because the books they brought had other signatures in them.

She's too lazy to do anything. Either that or she would forget how to spell her name.
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 04:44 PM
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31. Yep
I read about that at the time that people were complaining about stacks of books that where already there that were pre-signed, now we know it was the MACHINE :)
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 10:40 AM
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19. well as much as I truly hate failin quitter...
Edited on Tue Feb-02-10 10:41 AM by Javaman
the use of the AutoPen has been around for years and has been used by countless politicians, sports starts and celebrities.

So trying to spin the whole, "her signature is fake!" is lame at best.

There is so much more here than a few lousy signatures, like the fact that the buying of these books and reselling them is money laundering. THAT is the story.

Hell, Obama uses an AutoPen. In fact all presidents for, I believe, the last 100 years have.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 12:23 PM
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26. How is that money laundering?
I don't follow.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 12:52 PM
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27. From what I understand...
She takes donations buys books with the donation money, then resells the books at a fixed price.

The money has now been laundered. It's taken the form of books.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 08:37 PM
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34. that is not money laundering
Money laundering is the process of creating the appearance that large amounts of money obtained from serious crimes, such as drug trafficking, originated from a legitimate source.<1> It is a crime in many jurisdictions with varying definitions. It is a key operation of the underground economy.
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guruoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 09:24 PM
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35. It may be the same as, in the context of campaign finance law.
Edited on Tue Feb-02-10 09:27 PM by guruoo
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-03-10 09:10 AM
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40. I can quote wiki too..
In the past, the term "money laundering" was applied only to financial transactions related to organized crime. Today its definition is often expanded by government and international regulators such as the US Office of the Comptroller of the Currency to mean any financial transaction which generates an asset or a value as the result of an illegal act, which may involve actions such as tax evasion or false accounting.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-03-10 10:18 AM
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46. But quoting and understanding don't always go hand in hand it would appear.
That isn't money laundering, that isn't even false accounting (because it is actually accounted for should give you a clue).

The wiki writer appears to have obtained the information from a valid legal source, you -- not so much given your original post alleging money laundering.

So how about this source to continue to prove you mistaken?

Whoever, knowing that the property involved in a financial transaction represents the proceeds of some form of unlawful activity, conducts or attempts to conduct such a financial transaction which in fact involves the proceeds of specified criminal activity—

1. (i)with the intent to promote the carrying on of specified unlawful activity; or

(ii)with intent to engage in conduct constituting a violation of § 7201 or § 7206 of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986; ....

http://www.justice.gov/usao/eousa/foia_reading_room/usam/title9/105mcrm.htm#9-105.100

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cbdo2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-03-10 09:49 AM
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43. That was my question here too.....Not only that she buys and resells....
but she could be buying for $5 each from some sites which would give her PAC more "profit" on the deal

or

She could be paying full publishing price when the books were available for $5 each, which could then be going into her pocket from the publisher on the back end some how. Either way it should be investigated.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-03-10 10:07 AM
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45. Someone, in another post called me out saying that it wasn't money laundering
Edited on Wed Feb-03-10 10:08 AM by Javaman
because the original cash wasn't from an illegal source, but they failed to understand, that money laundering also falls under questionable accounting practices as well.

It's all about moving money from point A to point B with a little stop in between. LOL It's that little stop that the people, those dealing with the money, don't want to talk about. LOL
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cbdo2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-03-10 11:17 AM
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48. Right.....didn't she try to use her PAC to pay her legal bills but wasn't able to
because of some reason? So she had to pay out of pocket?

Yet if she tells the publisher she's buying so many books at such and such price, and they then give that money back to her on the back end.....yeah that's definitely money laundering, putting the PAC money in her own pocket via the cover of buying books at an inflated price.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-03-10 11:45 AM
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49. She tried to pay her bills with PAC money while she was still gov.
that would have been a gigantic no no.

Frankly, I think that's when she realized it would be more beneficial financially for her to quit being gov then it would be to stay on.

She didn't like how checks and balances worked for elected officials and with her mounting debt due to her incredible stupidity, the only recourse to save herself financially was to quit.

Of course she could have just been honest about it all, but that wouldn't have played well with the halfwit libertarians, alaska firsters and the tea baggers.

She painted herself into a financial corner because she wouldn't back down in the face of overwhelming facts and evidence.

With that kind of colossally misplaced ego, is it any wonder why she now backs mclame in his reelection bid? Her "endorsement" has nothing to do with politics, it has everything to do with money. The republicans thought if paid her enough, they can bring her back into the fold along with the moronic tea baggers. Boy, they got that wrong. LOL She got the money, they got nothing in return. failin played them, but played them unknowingly. She believes she has the power to be a republican king maker. She falsely believes that her support base is far bigger than it actually is. Like everything else, she fails to understand what the concept of "political winds" means. LOL

In the end, she will eventually piss off the entire base of tea baggers as being a "sell out". LOL Those idiots have put her on such a pedestal, and she willingly stepping on it, that she is only destined to fail. Honestly, though, She never sold out, she had always been a tool and a brand name, she "selling out" is like saying a leopard just got spots. LOL It's only now that those moronic mouth breathers are catching onto the fact that she is only out for herself and the money (and not necessarily in that order). And I believe, that one day pretty soon, they will understand, that they were duped into being her water carrier.

A few of them are waking up to that fact and that is why the tea bagger morons for stupidity are already splitting up into to their own little groups of inanity.

Frankly, it's pretty funny. They are turning their little infighting into grudge matches between the stupids. LOL

And it's just so amusing to watch.
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Raschel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 10:47 AM
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20. She doesn't sign her books, she doesn't write her book, she doesn't write her twitter or
facebook comments, she doesn't work. What DOES she do?
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 11:04 AM
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22. Don't be too harsh. I'm sure she signed some of them, before quitting. n/t
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 11:09 AM
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23. Haven't things like that always been done? A stamp for a politician's signature?
An assistant signing a movie star's photograph for a fan?

I think that's always been done.
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cbdo2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-03-10 09:47 AM
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42. It just depends on how it is marketed. If people made a $100 donation thinking
they are getting a real signature and then end up with a fake, the collectibility value will plummet (not that I think it's worth anything anyways, but I'm sure some idiot out there does).

I use to send away for signatures from celebrities as a teenager for a cheap hobby and there are lists and reports you can look up about which ones are real, autopen, preprinted, secretary, etc. The only ones worth anything are the real ones.
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lame54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 11:10 AM
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24. They couldn't count on her to spell it correctly
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lame54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 11:11 AM
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25. .
Edited on Tue Feb-02-10 11:11 AM by lame54
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Blue Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 01:43 PM
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28. Wow a fake signature from a fake politician
imagine that.
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 02:29 PM
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29. Not uncommon. Democrats do it too.
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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 03:43 PM
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30. I am sure she bought the machine but then never used it. Ever. Ev-vah.
:sarcasm: :yourock:
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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 09:29 PM
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37. Or she'll claim that Levi stole it and got it pregnant.
:blush:
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 04:53 PM
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33. I'm just surprised she didn't make all her kids sign her name in the books.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 09:55 PM
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38. Typical republicon phony
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 11:04 PM
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39. Is Sarah, Ms Palin's middle name? it seems Fraud is her first name.
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Johnny Harpo Donating Member (330 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-03-10 09:55 AM
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44. Sara Palin Is Fake And The Sooner Everyone Realizes It.....
the better off all of us will be. on both sides of the aisle.

Sara has had more then her 15 minutes of fame.

The constant and continuing media coverage of this wack job only serves to provide her with credibility.
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11 Bravo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-03-10 11:57 AM
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50. She can't read it, she didn't write it, who the Hell thought she would actually sign it?
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