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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-03-10 10:00 PM
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Last Words of the Martyrs of the 1960s
What do our opponents mean when they apply to us the label “liberal”? …. If by liberal they mean someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people – their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil liberties…. If that is what they mean by a liberal, then I’m proud to say I’m a liberal – John F. Kennedy, accepting the nomination for President from the New York Liberal Party, less than two months before he was elected our 35th President.


The 1960s was a time of great promise in the United States. It was a time when the word “liberal” was not a word that most politicians shunned. It began with the election of a President (John F Kennedy) who made the greatest effort to end to the Cold War of any U.S. President during its forty some year history and who aggressively challenged the military industrial complex as no U.S. President has done before or since. It was characterized by great progress in civil rights, including the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965, spurred by two U.S. Presidents (Kennedy and Lyndon Johnson) and by perhaps the greatest civil rights leader our country has ever known (Martin Luther King). And it featured perhaps the greatest Attorney General in our country’s history (Robert F. Kennedy) – the only U.S. Attorney General to aggressively fight organized crime.

But our three great heroes of that era were all assassinated, and subsequently the great promise of that era died out, to be replaced in the 1980s by almost three decades of right wing reaction that saw levels of income inequality rise to unprecedented levels, our military budget rise to almost equal that of the rest of the world combined, our rate of incarceration rise to the highest in the world, and a so-called “War on Terror” that threatens to become permanent and turn our republic into an empire.

Some may still believe that the assassinations of the three icons of that era who perhaps most symbolized its promise are some sort of accident of history, with no relationship to each other. But the 2008 book, “Legacy of Secrecy – The Long Shadow of the JFK Assassination – Robert Kennedy, National Security, the Mafia, and the Assassination of Martin Luther King”, by Lamar Waldron with Thom Hartmann, challenges that belief with 771 pages of detailed explanation supported by a ton of references.

Consideration of the words and actions of these three great men in the last months or days prior to their assassinations can serve to remind us of how things might have turned out for us (and still might turn out some day).


LAST WORDS AND ACTIONS OF THE 1960s MARTYRS

John F Kennedy


JFK on civil rights
In domestic affairs, JFK is best known for his stand on civil rights. On several occasions he employed federal troops to the South to advance the cause of civil rights. In June 1963, after employing federal marshals to Alabama to confront George Wallace’s attempt to block the admission of two African-American students to the University of Alabama, President Kennedy gave one of the greatest civil rights speeches ever, during which he proposed what became the Civil Rights Act of 1964 following his death. Here are some excerpts:

I hope that every American, regardless of where he lives, will stop and examine his conscience about this and other related incidents. This Nation was founded… on the principle that all men are created equal, and that the rights of every man are diminished when the rights of one man are threatened.

The Negro baby born in America today… has about one-half as much chance of completing a high school as a white baby born in the same place… a life expectancy which is 7 years shorter…

JFK’s quest for peace
In this post I explain how JFK repeatedly stood up against the efforts of his military and CIA to lead him into war. In this post I specifically discuss how he repeatedly resisted the advice of his military or CIA to lead him into war with Cuba.

JFK’s peace speech at American University
Then, a few months before he was assassinated, JFK gave a great and radical speech on behalf of peace that probably seemed terribly threatening to the military industrial complex. This speech was unprecedented in its emphasis on peace by a major U.S. political figure since the onset of the Cold War. Few people knew about the speech before he gave it, and he didn’t discuss it at all with his military because he knew that they would lobby against it. It is inconceivable that this speech was intended to win votes. To the contrary, it posed grave political risks. He talked about how the presence of nuclear weapons meant that that we MUST make peace a priority:

I speak of peace because of the new face of war. Total war makes no sense in an age when great powers can maintain large and relatively invulnerable nuclear forces and refuse to surrender without resort to those forces. It makes no sense in an age when a single nuclear weapon contains almost ten times the explosive force delivered by all of the allied air forces in the Second World War. It makes no sense in an age when the deadly poisons produced by a nuclear exchange would be carried by the wind and water and soil and seed to the far corners of the globe and to generations unborn.

In marked contrast to the prevailing tough anti-Communist rhetoric of the day, Kennedy spoke of the need for Americans to examine their own attitudes:

Some say that it is useless to speak of world peace or world law or world disarmament – and that it will be useless until the leaders of the Soviet Union adopt a more enlightened attitude. I hope they do. I believe we can help them do it. But I also believe that we must re-examine our own attitude – as individuals and as a Nation – for our attitude is as essential as theirs. And every graduate of this school, every thoughtful citizen who despairs of war and wishes to bring peace, should begin by looking inward – by examining his own attitude toward the possibilities of peace, toward the Soviet Union, toward the course of the Cold War and toward freedom and peace here at home.

First let us examine our attitude toward peace itself. Too many of us think it is impossible. Too many of us think it is unreal. But that is dangerous, defeatist belief. It leads to the conclusion that war is inevitable – that mankind is doomed – that we are gripped by forces we cannot control…

He even sought to humanize, rather than demonize, our adversary:

Let us re-examine our attitude toward the Soviet Union… It is discouraging to think that their leaders may actually believe what their propagandists write… But it is also a warning – a warning to the American people not to fall into the same trap as the Soviets, not to see only a distorted and desperate view of the other side, not to see conflict as inevitable, accommodations as impossible and communication as nothing more than an exchange of threats. No government or social system is so evil that its people must be considered as lacking in virtue…

He spoke of the need for international cooperation and institutions:

Meanwhile, we seek to strengthen the United Nations, to help solve its financial problems, to make it a more effective instrument of peace, to develop it into a genuine world security system -- a system capable of resolving disputes on the basis of law, of insuring the security of the large and the small, and of creating conditions under which arms can finally be abolished. There can be no doubt that if all nations could refrain from interfering in the self-determination of others, then peace would be much more assured. This will require a new effort to achieve world law – a new context for world discussions. It will require increased understanding between the Soviets and ourselves. And increased understanding will require increased contact and communications….

And then he came to the practical matters – the topic that the hawks and arms merchants so hated – detailing numerous concrete steps that he intended to take to put his peace plans into action:

We have also been talking in Geneva about other first-step measures of arms control, designed to limit the intensity of the arms race and to reduce the risks of accidental war. Our primary long-range interest in Geneva, however, is general and complete disarmament – designed to take place by stages, permitting parallel political developments to build the new institutions of peace which would take the place of arms….

The one major area of these negotiations where the end is in sight – yet where a fresh start is badly needed – is in a treaty to outlaw nuclear tests. The conclusion of such a treaty – so near and yet so far – would check the spiraling arms race in one of its most dangerous areas. It would place the nuclear powers in a position to deal more effectively with one of the greatest hazards which man faces in 1963, the further spread of nuclear arms. It would increase our security – it would decrease the prospects of war…. I am taking this opportunity, therefore, to announce two important decisions in this regard….

The aftermath of Kennedy’s peace speech
Khrushchev declared Kennedy’s speech the greatest of any American President since Roosevelt. And for the first time he allowed an American Presidential speech to be rebroadcast in the Soviet Union.

Six weeks later, Kennedy announced to the American people the first nuclear test ban treaty between the United States and the Soviet Union. With an extensive public campaign and help from his Secretary of Defense and General Maxwell Taylor, the head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Kennedy prevailed upon the Senate to ratify the treaty.

Kennedy then undertook secret negotiations with Fidel Castro in an attempt to come to an accommodation with him.


Martin Luther King

Martin Luther King’s fight against racial discrimination made an indelible mark on the world, for which he will be remembered and loved as long as the human species exists. Yet, while celebrating his life and mourning his death, our corporate media largely neglects the last three years of his life. An article by Jeff Cohen and Norman Solomon explains why. The fundamental problem that our corporate media has with the last three years of King’s life is that he questioned the fundamental priorities of our country – which of course is a forbidden topic for our corporate news media.

King on economic justice

King maintained that civil rights laws were empty without "human rights" – including economic rights. For people too poor to eat at a restaurant or afford a decent home, King said, anti-discrimination laws were hollow…

King developed a class perspective. He decried the huge income gaps between rich and poor, and called for "radical changes in the structure of our society" to redistribute wealth and power. "True compassion," King declared, "is more than flinging a coin to a beggar; it comes to see that an edifice which produces beggars needs restructuring."

King on the Vietnam War
King also became one of our country’s foremost critics of the Viet Nam War and U.S. foreign policy in general:

King called the United States "the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today." … From Vietnam to South Africa to Latin America, King said, the U.S. was "on the wrong side of a world revolution." King questioned "our alliance with the landed gentry of Latin America," and asked why the U.S. was suppressing revolutions "of the shirtless and barefoot people" in the Third World, instead of supporting them.

In foreign policy, King also offered an economic critique, complaining about "capitalists of the West investing huge sums of money in Asia, Africa and South America, only to take the profits out with no concern for the social betterment of the countries."

King’s last (and perhaps greatest) speech – April 3, 1968 – the day before his assassination
Perhaps King’s greatest speech was given on April 3, 1968, the evening prior to his assassination. Perhaps knowledge of his impending death served as the incitement for this speech. The content of the speech certainly points towards an awareness of his impending death. After talking about his many brushes with death as a civil rights leader, King said “I don’t know what will happen now”, as he appeared to be fighting back tears:

We’ve got some difficult days ahead. But it really doesn’t matter with me now… because I’ve been to the mountain top… Like anybody, I would like to live – a long life – longevity has its place. But I’m not concerned about that now. I just want to do God’s will. And he’s allowed me to go up the mountain… and I’ve looked over. And I have seen the Promised Land. And I may not get there with you, but I want you to know tonight that we as a people will get to the Promised Land! ... So I’m happy tonight. I’m not worried about anything. I’m not worried about any man. Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord!


Robert F Kennedy

As was true of all the Kennedy brothers, Bobby led a privileged life from the day he was born, and for a long time he did not much understand the problems of the less privileged. But as Attorney General during his brother’s Presidency he became a fervent supporter of civil rights, as well as perhaps the most aggressive pursuer of organized crime of any Attorney General in U.S. history. He said in a 1962 interview that Civil Rights was his most important task. Concerning the Brown v. Board of Education U.S. Supreme Court decision, which outlawed segregation in our schools, he said in a speech in Georgia:

I happen to believe that the 1954 Supreme Court school desegregation decision was right. But my belief does not matter. It is the law. Some of you may believe the decision was wrong. That does not matter. It is the law.

RFK on poverty in America
“Legacy of Secrecy” details Bobby’s conversion from someone who hardly understood that poverty was a major problem in our country to a national leader against poverty:

After listening to shocking testimony about hunger and poverty at his hearings in Jackson, Bobby had insisted on seeing the conditions for himself. … Cameras were rolling as Bobby made an impromptu visit to dilapidated Delta shacks that housed poverty-stricken families. The cameras recorded Bobby’s barely contained surprise and concern when the New York Senator asked a young boy what he’d eaten for lunch – and the boy said he hadn’t had anything to eat…

Bobby noticed a little boy with his tummy sticking out. Bobby picked up the boy and said, “My God, I didn’t know this kind of thing existed. How can a country like this allow it?” When Bobby was unable to get a response from the starving child, and associate says that Bobby soon had “tears… running down his cheek and he just sat there and held the little child”…

Bobby told nine of his ten children that “in Mississippi a whole family lives in a shack the size of this room. The children are covered with sores and their tummies stick out because they have no food. Do you know how lucky your are?” … What he had seen continued to torment him, and the following night, Bubby could no longer contain himself. He exploded in self-incrimination, telling the wife of an aide, “You don’t know what I saw! Everything I have done was worthless!”

Bobby channeled the shock of what he saw in Mississippi, and the lingering pain of losing his brother, into a new cause the re-energized him. Poverty, and all the ills that flowed from it, became his cause, his crusade. He pressured Congress and LBJ to increase funding for food programs… Bobby made a high profile appearance on NBC’s Meet the Press, proclaiming, “If we can append $24 billion for the freedom and liberty of the people in ‘Vietnam, certainly we can spend a small percentage of that for the liberty and the freedom and the future of our own people in the United States.” Bobby reached out to Martin Luther King, saying in a letter to him that when it came to the issues of poverty and hunger,” I cannot agree with you more that something must be done. If you have any suggestions, I would appreciate hearing from you.”…

Bobby’s determination to aid the poor only increased when the New York senator found appalling conditions among migrant laborers in his own state… Bobby’s little-publicized discovery of horrible conditions in New York showed him that the plight of the poor was a national problem that needed national solutions. To Bobby, migrant-worker issues, civil rights, poverty, and even Vietnam were all one cause – that of standing up for the less fortunate who were held down by laws or force….

Bobby’s growing public status as a champion of the down-trodden only fueled the hatred directed at him by the far Right and extreme conservatives…

RFK speech just after the assassination of Martin Luther King – April 4, 1968
Martin Luther King was assassinated while RFK was a U.S. Senator from New York and was campaigning for the presidency. “Legacy of Secrecy” describes the situation in which he found himself following King’s assassination, just about two months prior to his own assassination.

Police officials were worried about a riot, so Bobby was advised to cancel his appearance. He went anyway, despite the fact that his police escort left as soon as he reached the predominantly black part of Indianapolis… It must have been a daunting prospect for a white politician to face an African American crowd and tell them their greatest and most beloved leader had just been shot and killed. But Bobby delivered what was perhaps his greatest speech – and without the aid of teleprompters or spin doctors:

“Ladies and gentlemen… I’m only going to talk to you just for a minute or so this evening, because I have some – some very sad news for all of you… I think, sad news for all of our fellow citizens, and people who love peace all over the world, and that is that Martin Luther King was shot and was killed tonight in Memphis, Tennessee.”

Gasps, screams, and cries arose from the audience. Bobby continued, saying that

King dedicated his life to love and to justice between fellow human beings. He died in the cause of that effort… For those of you who are black – considering the evidence… that there were white people who were responsible – you can be filled with bitterness, and with hatred, and a desire for revenge… Or we can make an effort, as Martin Luther King did, to understand, and to comprehend, and replace that violence, that stain of bloodshed that has spread across our land, with an effort to understand, compassion, and love.


Ted Kennedy’s reaction to the deaths of the martyrs

“Legacy of Secrecy” describes the reaction of the youngest of the Kennedy brothers to the early and tragic death of his third brother:
On June 6, 1968, a grieving Senator Edward Kennedy summed up the feelings of many Americans about the murder of his brother. … To NBC TV newsman Sander Vanocur… “Edward Kennedy had remonstrated bitterly about the ‘faceless men’ who had been charged with the slayings of his brothers and Martin Luther King… always faceless men with no apparent motive. ‘There has to be more to it,’ Ted Kennedy had told Vanocur”.


CONCLUSION -- A BRIEF SYNOPSIS OF “LEGACY OF SECRECY” AND OUR CURRENT STATUS

I must acknowledge that the great mass of detail in “Legacy of Secrecy” makes it a difficult book to read.

The authors point to the mafia, specifically Carlos Marcello, Santo Trafficante, and Johnny Rosselli as the major culprits. The Kennedy administration was highly adverse to their interests. Intertwined with the culpability of the mafia were CIA plots to assassinate Fidel Castro.

One of those plots, sanctioned by President Kennedy (while he simultaneously pursued an accommodation with Castro which would have precluded the need for assassination), involved the replacement of Castro with the highly respected Cuban general, Juan Almeida. The Kennedy administration worked with relatively liberal Cuban leaders on this plot, and excluded the mafia from any involvement in it.

But simultaneously, rogue elements in the CIA, including future CIA Director Richard Helms, who was then in charge of CIA covert operations and the second most powerful figure in the CIA, were spinning their own, unauthorized plans for overthrowing Castro. These plans involved radical right wing Cuban elements and numerous mafia figures, and resulted in access of these mafia figures to the Kennedy administration’s authorized plan as well. It was the access to these Castro assassination plots that allowed the mafia figures to turn them around and utilize them to assassinate JFK.

The precise details of how this was done are not clear – though abundant evidence is provided for mafia involvement. It is also not at all clear from the book to what extent the “rogue elements” in the CIA were involved in the JFK assassination. It appears evident that the CIA Director, John McCone, was not involved. But the extent to which others, including Helms, were involved is far from clear and is likely to remain far from clear for a long time to come, due largely to the fact that over a million relevant files remain classified (or destroyed) to this day. The authors summarize the current status of the three assassinations in the final two pages of their book:

As “Legacy of Secrecy” has shown for the first time, releasing those JFK files – and their information about Marcello, Milteer (the white supremacist who contracted with the mafia to kill King), and Rosselli – is also crucial to fully resolve Martin Luther King’s assassination… Fully releasing all the JFK files, as required by law might also answer lingering questions about Robert Kennedy’s assassination. Congress has never taken any action regarding the CIA’s deliberate 1978 deception of the House Select Committee on Assassinations… Most current members of the House and Senate are unaware that the 1992 JFK Act failed to dislodge over a million relevant files, or that the Secret Service admitted destroying important files after the Act was passed. It’s difficult to envision how federal agencies will take future Congressional investigations seriously when they continue to flout the will of Congress by withholding so many files whose release is required by law. The amount of material yet to be declassified is vast… The most obvious example is the hundreds of hours of Marcello tapes recorded in 1985. Other pressing files that need to be released include the relevant files of all those individuals who have confessed to JFK’s assassination: Marcello, Trafficante, Rosselli, David Morales, and John Martino.

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FarLeftRage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-03-10 10:06 PM
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1. Thank you.
K, R, & bookmarked...
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givemebackmycountry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-03-10 11:13 PM
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2. Same here...
One of DU's most valuable players, hits it out of the park again.
I love this place.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-04-10 09:56 PM
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64. Thank you
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Oldtimeralso Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-03-10 11:39 PM
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3. As a Teenager of the 60's
I had the opportunity to shake hands with the then Senator John F. Kennedy prior to his nomination. This became my mantra:

"What do our opponents mean when they apply to us the label “liberal”? …. If by liberal they mean someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people – their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil liberties…. If that is what they mean by a liberal, then I’m proud to say I’m a liberal."

These were 3 of my heroes.

I was in the Park in 1968.

I am still proud to be a liberal and will be until the day I die!
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-04-10 09:50 PM
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63. One of the saddest things about our current political situation
is how the word "liberal" was made into an insult, and our Democratic "leaders" allowed that to happen rather than standing up for the principles for which we thought they stood.
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PufPuf23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-04-10 12:55 AM
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4. Salute TFC k&r
I was in 5th grade in a then SF upper middle class/semi rural now wealthy suburb when JFK was assassinated. We had been experiencing nuke drills at school and many were building bomb shelters later to become wine cellars in their driveways.

We were pulled from class to watch on b&w TV in the cafeteria until our parents came for us or the buses took us home and school was canceled until after the funeral.

These men were true heros and free and clear and moral thinkers and , yes, martyrs and will be so more so over time regardless as whether the World and USA find a better path.

In 1968 I was at an SF area boarding school with a early deceased roommate/friend whose mother was Maya Miller of NV. I met Eugene McCarthy when he campaigned in SF as my roommate's sister was McCarthy's daughter's roommate at Putney in VT and we all stayed in the Clift Hotel.

I have been politicized ever since and first voted for McGovern after being in the streets of SF and Berkeley for anti-war protests, the sense of community and belonging and music were side benefits.

The evil of the 60's establishment and what has occurred in the beautiful USA has far surpassed my worse imagination.

You are a beautiful and true human TFP.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-04-10 01:10 PM
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22. I was in 5th grade too
:hi:
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-04-10 02:09 PM
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32. Thank you puf puf -- I too cast my first vote for president for George McGovern
The evil that we have seen in this country in the 60s and in the years since then I believe is part of an historical pattern in which republics are transformed into empires, which has been going on for a very long time -- the fall of Rome comes to mind as a good example. Hopefully we can learn enough from history to reverse this pattern, but it will take a great deal of effort, humility, wisdom, and courage.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-04-10 01:00 AM
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5. TFC, I was thinking about all of these people that I grew up with
or rather, lost as a child, this week which was the 40th anniversary of the Greensboro lunch counter sit in.

We need to add Malcolm and young, young Fred Hampton to this company.

Thank you. :hug:
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-04-10 11:17 AM
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16. Yes
The FBI was infused with racism, eminating from the J Edgar Hoover himself. So were many law enforcement agencies throughout the country (and many still are). So there were many martyrs in that era -- though I do believe the Malcolm was assassinated by a rival black organization.

:hug:
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-04-10 01:02 AM
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6. JFK was actually not very liberal at all.
Edited on Thu Feb-04-10 01:21 AM by anonymous171
Especially when it came to Civil Rights (http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/progjfk4.htm)
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-04-10 04:00 AM
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7. I don't feel that the fact that JFK often felt that civil rights organizations should act with more
restraint should be taken as evidence that he was "actually not very liberal at all". His words and actions need to be taken in the context of the times. There were great barriers to the passage of civil rights legislation at the time -- not the least of which was that a large portion of Democratic Congresspersons were racist Southerners. Also, he was preoccupied with resisting great pressures from his military and CIA to escalate the Cold War.

Despite all that, JFK gave civil rights more support than any president before him. Nor should the fact that the major civil rights legislation he supported did not get through Congress until after his death be weighed against him. His support for it while he was alive was very helpful towards its eventual passage, and his presidency was not very long given all the obstacles against its passage.
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-04-10 01:03 PM
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20. McAdams is a lunatic.
Legitmate JFK historians do not consider him a credible source.

He is anti-JFK. And he is strong protagonist of the "magic bullet theory" which is a complete and total joke.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-04-10 01:12 PM
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23. According to the website, that section is by Eric Paddon, not McAdams
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-04-10 01:31 PM
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27. McAdams and his research sources are not credible.
Edited on Thu Feb-04-10 01:41 PM by avaistheone1
Seriously, McAdams specializes in disinformation. He is the Bill O'Lielly of the JFK writers.
Anything he produces is suspect.

I am surprised you would choose to post that article on this thread.
I lived through that period, and it does not accurately reflect JFK or his actions.
How could Kennedy be such a revered figure if he even remotely reflected that article.
JFK, MLK, RFK were not perfect. They were great men. They were legends and they deserve that status.


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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-04-10 03:22 PM
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39. You can't just dismiss sources out of hand.
You want to see another person talking about the myth of JFK? Here's one from Noam Chomsky: http://www.chomsky.info/letters/200312--.htm
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-04-10 08:23 PM
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55. JFK became a mythical hero in part because he was assassinated.
The fact that so many facts about his assassination were hidden from the public and continue to be hidden from us helped to make him a hero.

Nevertheless, try as they may, the right-wingers can never take from those of us who were young and idealistic the great inspiration we found in the words and examples of the Kennedy brothers.

JFK is partly admired for his brilliant insights and ability to reach out to his listeners, partly for his personal charm, partly for his love of humanity and partly because he was relatively young and energetic and followed Eisenhower and Truman -- two of the least remarkable presidents of the twentieth century.
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ConsAreLiars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-04-10 04:19 AM
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8. Excellent, accurate, and a must-read. Thank you (nt)
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-04-10 06:50 AM
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9. Recommended. Thank you.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-04-10 07:12 AM
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10. I Too Cannot Believe It Was an "Accident", Not Three Times
It was intentional, heinous, and it produced the rotten fruit of present circumstances. There is a shadow power in this country which shrinks at nothing, including assassination, to get its way. I think the shadow is lifting and the agents of death and destruction of our nation are being revealed. Next, we will have to act to apprehend, punish and prevent further cabals.
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sce56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-04-10 09:38 PM
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61. I don't know about this book here but the one I'm 3/4th of the way through explains a lot
about a certain family that appears to have been pulling the strings on a lot of what happened to remove Presidents from power by bullet or impeachment. Isn't it odd that the man who moved JFK's autopsy report back wound up six inches to make the magic bullet theory possible became president ten years later after Nixon left office in disgrace from things that he did not start!

The book I'm talking about gives a view on how the Bush family's fingerprints are all over the JFK Hit and the watergate event that did in Nixon.



www.familyofsecrets.com

Available at amazon. Great reading if we could get this on the top selling lists there would be a out cry for a real investigation into the treasonous & murderous acts this family cast upon us!
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-04-10 07:16 AM
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11. King actually says
"I'm not worried about anything. I'm not fearing any man."

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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-04-10 07:41 AM
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12. I remember that horrible decade well.
i was a 20 year old sailor in November 1963. And with some irony, I was in the base library in Beevill Texas reading Ayn Rands book The fountainhead when the Liberian came over and said "they have shot the president in Dallas".
For the next few days the base shut down it's operation and we spent most of our time watching this all unfold on the TV....And I tend to be good at having a sense when people are telling a lie or the truth, and i remember Oswald telling the TV camera "I'm a patsy" and I had the sense that it was true, and then later, when he was killed right in front of our eyes by Jack Ruby on national TV, I knew.

I asked a girl friend of mine once what was her story about that day...she was a student at FSU and she was in an assembly when they announced it over the intercom...the whole assembly stood up and cheered.

The point of these two different experiences is important because it must be understood that although JFK was popular, in the deep south he was hated with much vigor...I remember hearing all kinds of hate speech back then, the same kind we are still hearing now.
And it is important to understand that these people are dangerous and must be exposed for what they are...

But that sociopath element can read a book like 1984 and instead of identifying with Winston Smith will see the tremendous advantage they can gain from using it as a guide in there pursuit of power...and primary to this is the slogan " He who controls the past controls the future, and he that controls the present controls the past"
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-04-10 09:18 AM
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13. Yes, JFK was very much hated by many in the South
When he went to Dallas on Nov. 22, 1963, there was a great deal of hatred aimed towards him, some of it depicted in one of the major Dallas newspapers. It was for that reason that many advised him to utilize much more security than he did on that trip. Also important is the fact that Carlos Marcello had a great deal of influence in that area, including pver law officials in Dallas.
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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-04-10 09:30 AM
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14. The buzz in Beeville Texas was that Johnson had him killed.
But that was done way above his pay grade, whether he new about it or not is also in question.
But I doubt that he played any part in the conspericie...he really did not need to, nor did any of the politicians of the day...the shadow government took care of all the details.
The Mob of course had the infrastructure to pull it off so they were a willing partner who would profit from it.
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-04-10 01:32 PM
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28. Wow.....
I had no idea that happened in the South. I was 11 years old and do remember the rather happy way in which one of my schoolmates told me that the Prez had been killed.

I still remember her name.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-04-10 02:35 PM
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34. That didn't happen everwhere in "The South."
THAT is a gross and incorrect generalization.

I was in "The South" when it happened.
Nobody openly cheered at MY school.
A very somber prayer meeting was called in the auditorium,
and all students attended.
There were many tears.
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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-04-10 04:25 PM
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43. I apologize if it sounded like I said it was everywhere.
I only know my experiences and I only intended to relate them here.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-04-10 02:36 PM
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35. self-delete.
Edited on Thu Feb-04-10 02:37 PM by bvar22
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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-04-10 04:23 PM
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42. I remember hearing one guy comment
When RFK was killed "They finally killed that niger loving son of a bitch"
And that really is when it hit me that the right wing was based on racism. And despite what they now say, it still is.
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-04-10 10:08 PM
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65. I wonder if maybe it would be better if
the southern states were their own country?

I'd like N. CA to be its own country. Say from Big Sur north to Oregon. Probably wouldn't work. Just thought it might reduce problems and hatred.
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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-05-10 05:41 PM
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67. To many died to keep the union
And we should never give in to the bullies....that is the worst thing you can do.
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 12:13 PM
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68. Every time I see that NASCAR
is on TV for 6 straight hours and Wrestle Mania gets high viewership ratings, I realize that I've already lost.

Prez Johnson was right when he signed Civil Rights Law, 'This will end the Dem Party in the South.' It did.

I remember as a child going to visit my aunt in the south and I was called a 'yankee.' And it was said in not such a nice way either.

Hell, I've fought off tons of bullies in my life, but now....I'd be happy to just live out in the country with as few people around as possible. This bulliness mixed with massive stupidity being urged on by hateful folks like Limpballs is a whole different ball of wax. 'Ball of wax'....where the hell did that come from????:blush:

I just finished reading 'Empire of Illusion' by Chris Hedges and that has affected my thinking.
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NOLALady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-04-10 10:14 PM
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66. They cheered at my husbands job also.
They mocked his tears. He was not loved by all in this area.
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-04-10 10:21 AM
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15. K&R. Too much to say before work. //nt

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newtothegame Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-04-10 11:21 AM
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17. It's politically convenient to claim Kennedy as ours just cause he had a (D) in front of his name...
but not very historically accurate when comparing the agenda of the 1950's/1960's Democratic Party with the agenda of the party today.
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-04-10 01:10 PM
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21. Bullshit. Kennedy is ours, and he had visionary liberal agenda
and inspired millions of people in this country into public service, not exactly a conservative pursuit.

I lived through the period. Kennedy would stand head and shoulders over any and all Democrats/liberals that followed him into the presidency.

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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-04-10 01:13 PM
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24. He also cut taxes and escalated the war.
Stop projecting. JFK was a great man, but he was not a saint or a "martyr."
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-04-10 01:26 PM
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26. Projecting? You have no idea what you are takling about.
Kennedy did not escalate the war in Vietnam. Escalation of the war officially started on the morning of 31 January 1965. Kennedy was long dead before that.

Johnson's escalation of the Vietnam War ruined much of his credibility as President. Johnson was wary of potential political attacks from the right for losing a portion of the world to communism. Johnson believed that if Vietnam fell to the Communists, his presidency would be considered soft on communism, at the same time undermining his grand domestic agenda. Johnson began bombing North Vietnam in 1965 and it continued for the next 7 years through the Nixon Administration. Over time, Johnson escalated the number of troops and active military involvement in Vietnam. Soldier casualties were mounting and soon chants were heard, "Hey, Hey LBJ, How many kids did you kill today?" By the end of his presidency, Johnson turned into a recluse, rarely leaving the White House.<2>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyndon_B._Johnson



JFK, RFK, and MLK were not saints, but they were martyrs for liberalism, social justice and progress.

Please don't repeat republican talking points.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-04-10 03:17 PM
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38. Consult the record.
Edited on Thu Feb-04-10 03:17 PM by anonymous171
Kennedy advisers Maxwell Taylor and Walt Rostow recommended that U.S. troops be sent to South Vietnam disguised as flood relief workers. Kennedy rejected the idea but increased military assistance yet again. In April 1962, John Kenneth Galbraith warned Kennedy of the "danger we shall replace the French as a colonial force in the area and bleed as the French did." By 1963, there were 16,000 American military personnel in South Vietnam, up from Eisenhower's 900 advisors.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War#During_John_F._Kennedy.27s_administration.2C_1960.E2.80.931963

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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-04-10 08:59 PM
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57. Kennedy sent more Advisors to pacify the Pentagon, which wanted Combat Troops.
Sure, President Kennedy increased the number of Advisors -- volunteers.

The hidden record, only brought out over the past 15 years, is clear: President Kennedy was set against escalation.

Read what Peter Dale Scott, John Newman and James K. Galbraith, John K. Galbraith's son, found: President Kennedy was set against sending U.S. combat troops -- draftees -- to Vietnam.

In 1963, he ordered a complete withdrawal of U.S. forces by the end of 1965. President Kennedy recalled Gen. Douglas MacArthur had told him -- the United States could not win a land war in Asia. JFK told the Joint Chiefs, "If you can convince Gen. MacArthur you might convince me."

JFK searched for a way out, but a large number of those in government who should have helped him didn't agreee. 'Arrogant' CIA Disobeys Orders in Viet Nam. And the Warmongers never gave up.

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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-04-10 01:37 PM
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31. His tax cuts were progressive -- very unlike the Reagan or Bush tax cuts of later years
He repeatedly refused to let his military and CIA lead him into war or escalate the Cold War. He did put about 15 thousand "advisors" in Vietnam, and many of them did participate in combat, but he recognized his mistake and planned to bring them out -- and indeed that was probably part of the reason he was killed:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=5757851
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-04-10 07:04 PM
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51. "cut taxes"...LOL

JFK set the top rate at 71%, which he considered "Fair".
I would LOVE to have a Democrat do that today.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-04-10 07:11 PM
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52. From 91%, which is where it should have stayed. nt
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12string Donating Member (443 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-04-10 11:36 AM
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18. JFK , MLK , RFK
Thank you for that excellent post.What a different world we would see today if these men had been able to nurture the seeds they planted.
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nightrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-04-10 11:52 AM
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19. glad to be a "liberal" for all the above reasons and more...
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-04-10 01:15 PM
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25. I am reading "Legacy of Secrecy" right now.
Edited on Thu Feb-04-10 01:40 PM by avaistheone1
It is one of the single best books written on the assassinations of JFK, RFK and MLK.

It is stunningly well researched. Beyond theories, it factually answered so many questions. I highly recommend it.
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-04-10 01:33 PM
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29. There are no more martyrs.
That decade instilled fear into the heart of any liberal who would come after them.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-04-10 02:38 PM
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36. Not True:



"There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans. I want us to compete for that great mass of voters that want a party that will stand up for working Americans, family farmers, and people who haven't felt the benefits of the economic upturn."---Paul Wellstone


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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-04-10 04:37 PM
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45. Yeah? Where are they? n/t
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-04-10 04:39 PM
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46. bvar22.... THEY Killed Him On My Birthday!! Liberals DO Get Killed
for reasons that are becoming all too clear! Well, they should be clear by now, I've known some VERY STRANGE things that have happened since my activism in the 70's!

THIS COUNTRY IS FALLING APART!! Sorry for ranting this over and over, but maybe we should really start to think that the SKY IS REALLY FALLING!!

We're getting punked in so many different ways and it's getting harder and harder to keep up with!!

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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-04-10 07:00 PM
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50. You don't have to convince me.
In 2006 my wife & I sold everything, moved to The Woods, and planted a BIG veggie garden.
We also keep chickens and HoneyBees.

We live well on a very low "taxable" income.
We buy almost nothing new.
What we can't make ourselves,
we buy or barter 2nd Hand or salvage and make it work,
or do without.

WE aren't "survivalists", but have simply realized that no one in DC represents out Working Class interests. We no longer wish to contribute to the enrichment of Wall Street, or fund the endless WARS.

Our focus has become local Humanitarian issues, and finding new ways to withhold funding for the Corporate Ownership Class and their bought politicians.
LESS is MORE.


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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-04-10 08:00 PM
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53. Gotcha! Living Where I Live I Have To Restrain Myself From Going To Yard Sales!
Now that may seem strange because it's second hand, but Sarasota County is a RICH County and going to the sales you can find items that cost hundreds of dollars for just about nothing! It's VERY tempting to "buy" because it's so cheap! Even people in "deed restricted communities" who have lost their jobs are having some SUPER sales! Many things have NEVER been opened.

I just shake my head in wonder as to WHY they just "needed" something and never opened it! But I've put my WHOLE family on a very strict budget and we buy NOTHING that's not needed! I sound like "chicken little" to many around me, but I'm simply THAT WORRIED!

When I shop, every piece of change I get goes into a huge water bottle, and I've even begun to save dollar bills when I can. It's completely "back to basics" for us! NO credit card purchases even though I keep my one from our Credit Union!

We want to do the gardening thing and I do grow a lot of ornamentals and shrubbery to sell at my yearly yard sale, but veggies attract all kinds of "pesky" intruders! Not to mention the birds who get my "maters" as soon as they begin to ripen! Still I have a good compost pile going with lots of wiggly earth worms making me some great soil! I don't mind snakes and can pick them up and handle them, but those worms and caterpillars give me the heebie-jeebies! Still gonna make another stab at growing this year, but have plans to enclose the garden with screen or something.

Somehow, it makes me feel better to know that more people are being forced into this type of living because I've been cussing about this "throw away society" for too many years now! The down side is that too many people NEVER comprehended the "simple life!"

:toast:

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PSzymeczek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-04-10 09:39 PM
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62. There have been Too Many Martyrs.
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-04-10 01:34 PM
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30. Wasn't there an
Executive Order signed by JFK that took us off the Federal Reserve System????
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-04-10 02:16 PM
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33. I think you are speaking of silver certificates
and Executive Order 11110. Maybe this will clear things up.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_11110
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-04-10 04:19 PM
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41. Yes....that was the
Executive Order.

In theory, I have a difficult time with wikipedia....too much of the rewriting of history for me. But then I like hardback books.
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-04-10 04:53 PM
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48. I love hardcover books too.
True wikipedia is not always accurate or complete, but it is fast.

It is not one of my trusted sources, but IF it has the story pretty much correct I will use it.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-04-10 02:53 PM
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37. K&R, Bookmarked, forwarded. I hope this will be in your journal.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-04-10 09:37 PM
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60. It is, thank you
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TheUnspeakable Donating Member (960 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-04-10 04:04 PM
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40. k&r
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-04-10 04:25 PM
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44. Thanks for posting
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RoccoR5955 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-04-10 04:43 PM
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47. K & R for some of the hugest patriots this country has ever seen. n/t
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-04-10 06:35 PM
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49. Another proud liberal reccing this thread. I was in high school when JFK was killed. In the South,
in an area where there was a huge amount of anti-Kennedy sentiment because he was Catholic, pro-civil rights, and a yankee.

We were in class when the announcement came over the intercom. ONE asshole started clapping and cheering. The rest of us basically were too shaken to say or do anything. We were stunned. My dad was a die-hard conservative Republican who despised Kennedy, but he was mortified that the President had been murdered. As were many of his conservative friends.

Regarding the assassination and who did it, I believe that the Mafia was involved deeply, but that does not explain all of the elements of the crime that had to have been arranged by others who were powerful in government: the route of the parade that required the Presidential limo to slow to a crawl to make the turn onto Elm Street was in direct violation of Secret Service regulations for Presidential motorcades; the stand-down orders to Dallas Police to avoid any active role in securing the President's motorcade and monitoring the bystanders for possible assassins; the conduct of the President's Secret Service unit on the night prior to the motorcade, in violation of SS regulations; the order to have no SS men at their assigned positions on the rear bumper stands of the Presidential limo during the critical period when the limo had to slow to a crawl--another egregious violation of SS policy.

Couple those tidbits with the fact that the mayor of Dallas was the brother of a former Air Force General who had just been fired by President Kennedy from his position as assistant Director of the CIA due to the Bay of Pigs Fiasco. The fact that the United Nations Ambassador Adlai Stevenson had been physically attacked and spat upon during his visit to Dallas only one month before the assassination should have been enough to put the Secret Service and the Dallas Police Department as well as National Guard units on full alert for President Kennedy's visit, yet none of that was done. Dallas was the headquarters of the John Birch Society, an EXTREME right-wing group that hated Kennedy, and was a hotbed of KuKluxKlan activity--even in the Dallas Police Department. As world headquarters of the Oil and Gas Industry, and home to many of its movers and shakers, Dallas was up in arms about President Kennedy's intention to cut the Oil Depletion Allowance, thus costing the Oil and Gas Barons BILLIONS of dollars in profits.

In addition to "Legacy of Secrecy", "JFK and the Unspeakable; Why He Died and Why it Matters" by James Douglass is another in-depth look at Kennedy, his courage, and the reasons he was marked for death by those in power in the U.S. Government.

Another excellent post. Thank you, Time for change.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-04-10 09:20 PM
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59. Thank you bertman --
You are certainly right that there is so much we don't know about this -- and no wonder, given the more than a million withheld or destroyed files, and the numerous witnesses who died soon before they were supposed to testify. But one thing we know for certain is that he was shot from the front, at least once (the fatal head shot), and almost certainly twice:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=125&topic_id=253572



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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-04-10 08:16 PM
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54. Thanks. I read about a third of the book and hope to finish it one of these days.
The detail is overwhelming but fascinating.

The authors certainly make the case that members of the Mafia could have been behind the assassination of JFK. They establish links between Oswald, Ferrie and Marcello that are very strong. Of course, the book is just one more attempt to figure out what happened based on the limited available facts.

That the government has never released all of the documents and information about these assassinations after all these years does not prove that somehow some individuals in the government were complicit in the assassinations but makes that complicity very believable.

Those of us who lived through the 1960s will never trust our government to tell us the truth or to disclose all the facts to us.

The nation is still divided by the events of the 1960s. We will never be healed until we are told the truth and have all the facts -- all of them.

Since those four assassinations we have been deceived and kept in the dark by our government over and over. How can we even pretend to be a democracy when people like us are prevented from knowing the truth?
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-04-10 09:14 PM
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58. One thing we know for sure is that JFK was shot from the front --
At least once (the fatal shot to the head), and very probably twice:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=125&topic_id=253572
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-04-10 08:31 PM
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56. Thanks for that.
As we become more and more a party of ceo's in luxury boxes at the convention, we need more and more posts like this.

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