Green jobs going to China - avg wage is $141 mo.

China’s Labor Edge Overpowers Obama’s ‘Green’ Jobs Initiatives

Feb. 4 (Bloomberg) -- President Barack Obama is spending $2.1 million to help Suntech Power Holdings Co. build a solar- panel plant in Arizona. It will hire 70 Americans to assemble components made by Suntech’s 11,000 Chinese workers.
That gap shows the challenge Obama faces as he works to create “green” jobs. Asia makes more than half the world’s wind and solar energy equipment, and is gaining ground as U.S. factories lose out to cheaper labor and higher demand for clean energy. China for the first time topped the U.S. in wind-turbine manufacturing and installations last year, the Brussels-based Global Wind Energy Council said yesterday in a report.

Obama is giving billions of dollars in tax breaks to the wind and solar industries to create jobs in the U.S. even as production expands faster overseas. First Solar Inc., the world’s largest maker of thin-film solar-power modules, won $16.3 million to add 200 manufacturing jobs at its Ohio plant, yet 71 percent of its planned factory growth will go to Malaysia. The company employs 4,500 globally.
“The cost of manufacturing here is too expensive compared to Asia,” said Guy Chaffin, chief executive officer of Elite Search International, a Roseville, California-based executive search firm that has found employees for Tempe, Arizona-based First Solar and Solar Millennium AG. “As far as a flood of good jobs coming to the U.S., we’re not seeing it.”
“Will batteries that power the next generation of hybrid cars come from South Korea or South Carolina?” Browner said. “The best way to take advantage of these opportunities is to put in place the right price signals here at home, create the demand here at home so that our companies will make the investment here at home.”
In Wuxi, China, where Suntech makes solar panels, the monthly minimum wage is 968 renminbi ($141.79), according to China’s official newspaper People’s Daily. That’s 89 percent less than the U.S. minimum-wage of about $1,320 a month for a 40-hour work-week.

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when we run out of oil... not

Of course the companies will run with them and source the majority of their labor to the slave-wage countries.

That's how we got into this mess in the first place.

1% from ruling our lives. I don't ever know if I will see a fair and free world.

yelling about cutting corporate taxes so they would invest in the USA, knowing full well those same corporations would merely take their new monies and go overseas to hire slave labour.
Clinton cinched the mess with NAFTA

and here we are, totally fooked.

No More overseas contracts until we can take care of our own!

we can't afford not to.

This is exactly what I've been saying will happen. They will tromp us every angle we take.

We need vocational schools, and fully equipped machine shops and factories. We don't have them. If I'm wrong it'll be a good thing. Maybe we can still pull ourselves out of this. It looks dubious.

If the Chinese made the equivalent wage of a U.S. worker - the cost of solar would be prohibitive.

That's what they really mean. We have got to change our trade laws and our unions have got to go overseas and start helping these people organize. This current scheme isn't good for anybody.

They realized early on that bettering the lot of workers overseas would mean a leveling of living standards worldwide, which means a decrease for workers in the United States.

Now they show little solidarity with workers across industries in the United States for much the same reasons.

When they startedvtouting green jobs as part of the recovery.
Trade laws have to go back on the table --
otherwise all of this is horseshit.

we do it for Cuba and Iran. China is doing far more damage to us than Cuba or Iran could ever dream of doing. It's a matter of national defense.

Solar would be too expensive and would require even more massive subsidies.

You know what happens when you pay a living wage?

People can afford to BUY crap again and the economy starts moving again.

If you want to live in the big house on a slave plantation, I've got bad news for you:

Lincoln freed the slaves.

Or pay the Chinese worker $35/hr and have our workers manufacture @ $30/hr. How many solar panels would utilities buy without massive gov't subsidies? The answer is zero.

that isn't subsidizing its native industries and even WE do it for the defense and aerospace industry through many billions spent on H/W gov't acquisition every year.

In the long run we are better off if the gov't subsidizes these solar panels and gets us away from Saudi Oil.

where foreign labor has an advantage. There are imbalances and inequalities in the world based on the rate of progress of societies and culture. The United states and the West had a humongous head start with industry and technology and the standard of living has been way above the rest of the world for decades. The Asian cultures are now in catch up mode and are transitioning from agriculture to technology based economies, especially in China. It will take a while before their standard of living and wages catches up to ours. In the mean time it will be hard for our workers to compete.

The excuse that their wages are lower because they are "transitioning" is just an apology for slavery. Until China practices multiparty democracy, freedom of speech and freedom to collective bargaining, we should NOT do business with them.

especially American manufacturing. No one could show me how GREEN! ECONOMY! jobs couldn't be outsourced. Look at that! They were outsourced before we ever had 'em!

A pipe dream sold by politicians.

You have to be dreaming to believe it, or something like that.