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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 05:28 AM
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Teenage matador ready to take on six bulls (attempting to slaughter 6 bulls by himself)
Edited on Sat Feb-06-10 06:21 AM by Divine Discontent
Teenage matador Jairo Miguel Sánchez Alonso ready to take on six bulls



Parents of teenage boys usually worry that their sons are drinking or dabbling in drugs. Celia Moreno, however, will today be watching anxiously as her 16-year-old son steps into a ring to face six muscle-bound half-tonne bulls.

Jairo Miguel Sánchez Alonso will attempt a feat that even the most experienced matadors might struggle to pull off.

José Tomás, bullfighting’s current star, was gored twice when he tried to kill six bulls in one fight last year. Ms Moreno admits that the event in Jairo’s home city of Cáceres will not make for comfortable viewing. “I am nervous like any other mother or wife of a bullfighter would be,” she told The Times. “But you have to start young in bullfighting and I support my son.” She denied that it was irresponsible to allow Jairo to face the might of six bulls. “The people who have criticised us are wrong. I applaud what he is doing,” she said.

As he readied himself for the biggest — and possibly last — fight of his life, Jairo said: “Of course there are some nerves. Death is always there in bullfighting. But I am physically and mentally prepared for this.”

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article7017228.ece




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I don't wish harm on the teen in any way, but, wow... attempting to slaughter 6 bulls just for entertainment. Sure, if he lives (I certainly wouldn't take bets on it) he'll have fame, money and swooning fans - too bad the bulls will have dirt on top of them. If he does accomplish it, I will feel sad that the bulls died for crowd pleasure and to puff up his reputation.

But, really, a 16 yr old versus six bulls? Why risk a youth's life in such a dangerous manner for sports entertainment? Why can't he take up tennis like Rafael Nadal, or something, if he wants singular attention? His mom chain smokes and cannot even sleep with tranquilizers leading up to his appearances in the ring. Guess he doesn't care all that much about her health, and certainly not the bulls.

I realize they probably won't be the toughest bulls they could get, as an 11 year old killed 6 bulls in Mexico a couple of weeks ago. Animal rights and child welfare activists tried to stop that event, but failed. The 11 year old has killed dozens of bulls in his young life. Here's the story and video for that - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/centralamericaandthecaribbean/mexico/4340449/Matador-11-kills-six-bulls-in-Mexico.html
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fl_dem Donating Member (444 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 05:41 AM
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1. I despise this bloodlust "sport"
I rank it up there with dog fighting, violence and blood of the animals as entertainment for the animals(spectators). At least here in the US we have made strides by making dog fighting illegal as it truly is inhumane and cruel.
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 05:43 AM
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3. Dogfighting is legal in several states. And bullfighting is not about "bloodlust"
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 05:49 AM
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6. Dogfighting in some states. That's your support for this blood lust?
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fl_dem Donating Member (444 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 05:52 AM
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7.  Dog fighting IS illegal in the USA,
It is a blood sport used for entertainment and no matter the archaic reasons, bull fighting is aniaml cruelty.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 10:36 AM
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32. Dog fighting is illegal in the United States.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 02:44 PM
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37. I think you're mistaken.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 02:52 PM
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39. Is that you Vick?
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 02:38 PM
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34. He has finished off his 6th bull, after 2 1/2 hours. WOW, he actually killed ONE kinda fast
and got the prize of the bull's ears for doing so. The other 5 took about 3 stabbings......

"A 16-year-old Spanish matador killed six bulls in one afternoon Saturday, pulling off a feat normally attempted only by seasoned veterans and winning trophies for his bravery — ears from animals he had just slain.

Jairo Miguel Sanchez Alonso, who nearly died from a horrific goring in Mexico in 2007, smiled broadly and waved to a friendly hometown crowd after the series of fights which took about two and a half hours.

The tall, slender boy showed his stuff in an arena called Plaza Era de los Martires, or Time of the Martyrs.

The bullfighter, who goes by the stage name of Jairo Miguel, turned in his best performance with bull No. 5, a hulking black specimen that weighed 435 kilograms (959 pounds).

After skillful cape-work he finished off the bull with a single deathblow from his sword, sliding it into a spot where it severed the beast's spinal chord. With the rest of the bulls he needed around three tries.

For that effort he was awarded the animal's severed ears, one of the bullfighting world's prizes for a job well done."
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 02:47 PM
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38. That's actually a poor performance for most of it.
According to wikipedia "The skill with which he delivers the fatal blow is another major point to look for. A skillful matador will achieve it in one stroke. Two is barely acceptable, while more than two is usually regarded as a bad job."
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 02:41 PM
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36. Agree.
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 05:42 AM
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2. Bullfighting is not a sport, it is an art form.
The bulls are not doped; they are deliberately bred for viciousness and quickness. Matadors are in real danger, which makes it different from the hunting which Americans are so fond of.

Bulls that have fought well in the ring are remembered and celebrated. Matadors are not celebrated for merely killing the bull; it must be done properly and efficiently. Matadors are there to display grace and athleticism, as well as tell a visual story of facing a dangerous animal with fearlessness and confidence.

Bullfighting does not exist to let the audience derive joy and excitement (though some clods do). Indeed the death of the bull is to be considered solemnly, with respect for its fighting abilities; bullfighting is thus more on a par with the unfolding of a tragic play, then a "sport".

On the other hand, dogfighting and cockfighting which is legal in several US states, is merely a "sport" where people place bets on which animal will win. Betting on bullfights is illegal in Spain.
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Kaleva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 05:47 AM
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4. "Betting on bullfights is illegal in Spain."
Doesn't the bull almost always lose anyways?
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 05:48 AM
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5. Bullshit. It's not art. It's entertainment.
Edited on Sat Feb-06-10 05:50 AM by TexasObserver
It's killing animals in an inhumane manner, for the glorification of the man killing the animal, for the bloodlust of those watching it.

You might as well go to a slaughterhouse and watch them be killed.

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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 05:59 AM
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9. "art"...I know, barf. It is clearly for the sports entertainment, and the only thing artsy is the
highly coiffed young men in beautiful getups strutting around a ring before they show how 'macho' they are when they kill the bulls.



from another story about this ----


His mother, Celia Alonso, said she chain-smokes in the days leading up to one of her son's fights, cannot sleep even with tranquilizers and would prefer he do anything but this — "football, computers, whatever."

"But he has chosen this and I have to support him," Alonso said. "All I know is what his eyes say when he struts out into the ring."
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fl_dem Donating Member (444 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 05:57 AM
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8. dog fighting IS illegal in the USA, where are you all getting your facts?
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fl_dem Donating Member (444 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 05:59 AM
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10. As of 2008, dog fighting is a federal felony in all states
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 06:06 AM
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13.  Killing of animals is not "art". Man over beast, not to tame, but to kill.
His getup is very pretty and nice art, though. He'd be better off just wearing that to a theater if he wants to perform some art.

The point of him getting in the ring is to ultimately kill a living creature - that's not art, regardless of how much he struts and spins around and flares the cape in the air. Just my opinion, I realize you see it differently. But, why do they have to kill the bulls? That's so medieval...
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 10:37 AM
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33. art form? .....now that's some stretch
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Richard D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 06:00 AM
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11. I'm rooting for the bulls.
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 06:25 AM
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19. I read somewhere that people root for the bulls because they want to see the matadors get gored.
sort of like how many go to NASCAR races to see crashes.

Most people at these events know it's not a fair fight between the matador and the bull. Like someone said below, they torture the thing before it even gets in the ring.

Sickening they encourage little kids to do this.
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MichaelHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 06:05 AM
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12. they should
make him eat all six
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fl_dem Donating Member (444 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 06:16 AM
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16. I like the way you think....
if you kill it, you eat it!
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 06:08 AM
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14. could he pls take on the oligarchs, or someone?
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 06:09 AM
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15. HA!!!!
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OneTenthofOnePercent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 06:16 AM
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17. I hope the bulls dismember him and his urkel-style pants
Edited on Sat Feb-06-10 06:18 AM by OneTenthofOnePercent
I have no problem with people fighting bulls. Or bear wresling. Or rodeos.

What bothers me is the fact that they torture the thing beforehand and spear it half-to-death. real fair :eyes:
Hey, I could probably beat Mike tyson with 5 spears haning out of his back too... can I be famous now?
I'd pay money to see a FAIR fight between a bull and some punk.
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 06:19 AM
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18. I think we know who'd win in a fair fight.
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Kaleva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 06:32 AM
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22. To be a fair fight, the kid would have to weigh a half ton and have horns.
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garethc2009 Donating Member (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 06:25 AM
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20. Disturbing
I find it disturbing that this can be considered a 'sport'.
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 06:29 AM
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21. seems so old fashioned and barbaric, I know. welcome to DU!
:hi:
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tomm2thumbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 06:46 AM
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23. What is brave about finishing off a half dead bull anyway?
The matador, two picadors on horses, and three men on foot stab the bull repeatedly when he enters the ring. After it has been weakened by fear, blood loss, and exhaustion, the matador attempts to make a clean kill with a sword to the heart. Unfortunately for the suffering bull, he rarely succeeds, and must make several thrusts, often missing the bull's heart and piercing his lungs instead. Often a dagger must be used to cut the spinal cord and spare the audience the sight of a defenseless animal in the throes of death. The bull may still be fully conscious but paralyzed when his ears and tail are cut off as the final show of "victory."

Mexican bullfighting has an added feature: novillada, or baby bullfights. There is no ritual in this slaughter of calves. Baby bulls, some no more than a few weeks old, are brought into a small arena, where they are stabbed to death by spectators, many of whom are children. These bloodbaths end with spectators hacking off the ears and tail of the often fully-conscious calf lying in his own blood.

This is 'sport'?

It's not just the bulls that suffer. According to Lyn Sherwood, publisher of an English-language bullfight magazine, the horses used in bullfights are "shot behind the ear with dope. The horses are drugged and blindfolded and they're knocked down a lot." These horses, who are often gored, usually have wet newspaper stuffed in their ears to impair their hearing, and their vocal cords are usually cut so their cries do not distract the crowd. These animals are often old, tired plow horses who end up being knocked down by bulls weighing up to a half a ton.

* * *

Comedian George Carlin on the Running of the Bulls:
"I cheer when a bull at Pamplona sinks one of his horns deep into the lower intestines of some drunken European macho swine. And my cheers grow louder when a victim is a young American macho-jock tourist asshole. Especially if the bull is able to swing that second horn around and catch the guy right in the nuts."

The recent host of the Golden Globes, Ricky Gervais, Reveals His Wish for Matadors - 'I want all bullfighters to be gored to death.'


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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 07:35 AM
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26. thank you! (for the details of what happens)
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mwb970 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 07:34 AM
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24. I prefer the quest of Abby Sunderland to that of Jairo.
I admire young people with dreams, but Jairo's dream seems flawed to me, especially compared with Abby's:

http://abbysunderland.com/
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 07:34 AM
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25. thank you
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 07:38 AM
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27. Debate rages on in Spain over bullfighting
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DinahMoeHum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 08:37 AM
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28. He wants a real challenge, let him RIDE the bulls instead of killing them
In professional bull riding, the bulls are also judged in competition, which one is the meanest mofo of the bunch.
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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 08:47 AM
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30. I was just thinking that.
Of course much of DU disapproves of rodeo as well.

To be fair, much of DU disapproves of most things.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 08:44 AM
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29. I'm going to root for the bulls.
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tuckessee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 10:27 AM
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31. Go Bulls!
Gore that mf'er then trample his carcass into the dust!
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 02:39 PM
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35. The 6 bulls have been killed. He is 'victorious'.
A 16-year-old Spanish matador killed six bulls in one afternoon Saturday, pulling off a feat normally attempted only by seasoned veterans and winning trophies for his bravery — ears from animals he had just slain.

Jairo Miguel Sanchez Alonso, who nearly died from a horrific goring in Mexico in 2007, smiled broadly and waved to a friendly hometown crowd after the series of fights which took about two and a half hours.

The tall, slender boy showed his stuff in an arena called Plaza Era de los Martires, or Time of the Martyrs.

The bullfighter, who goes by the stage name of Jairo Miguel, turned in his best performance with bull No. 5, a hulking black specimen that weighed 435 kilograms (959 pounds).

After skillful cape-work he finished off the bull with a single deathblow from his sword, sliding it into a spot where it severed the beast's spinal chord. With the rest of the bulls he needed around three tries.

For that effort he was awarded the animal's severed ears, one of the bullfighting world's prizes for a job well done.
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