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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 04:00 PM
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the Haiti missionaries and kidnapping
I've looked around but didn't see much on this here -sorry if I missed.

I'm getting very strange vibes from CNN in this fiasco.

it seems CNN thinks that because Americans contributed so much money to Haita, the kidnapping charge should just be dropped or we should assume they had the best intentions? this is the feeling I get. Larry King espcially gave me this sick feeling. But he usually does because he is probably the most stupid interviewer in the history of interviewing.

something slimey afoot here I think.
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 04:17 PM
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1. That goes to the opposite of the merit of giving.
Edited on Sat Feb-06-10 04:28 PM by no_hypocrisy
When one donates, it's unilateral, one-way, no quid-pro-quo. You're giving something up without strings. That's why it's both difficult and easy. If it were bilateral, it would be more like a contract with expectations once you donated.

Not to mention one thing (donations) has nothing to do with the other (missionaries and "mercy").
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 04:18 PM
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2. she was desparate for money
by accounts...
so was trafficking children and took innocent people along with her all in the name of church and god and doing the right thing for innocents.

thats my take. call me cynical but this happens so much, you know it does.
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 04:21 PM
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3. I keep wondering if..
there would be as much concern if they were of another race but...I forgot you can never bring up the obvious or you must be race-baiting..
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 04:22 PM
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4. I haven't seen much lately, either
And the folks being held are from next door in Idaho. I thought early on that they would get fined and deported, told never to return to Haiti again. They might get a hearing or even a trial, but I don't think Haiti is interested in expending resources to keep a bunch of spoiled Americans locked up. There are probably many behind-the-scenes negotiations going on; if it hinges on the detainees' consent, it will be interesting to see what they will do to get their sorry behinds out of jail. Will they compromise the deeply held religious beliefs, or will they say anything to get sprung?
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csziggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 04:23 PM
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5. I heard one report, probably on MSNBC, that they knew they did not have the paperwork
And that the Dominican Republic would refuse them entry. So much of their 'official' story is bullshit.

I still say that if any group from outside the US came in to try to 'save' orphan or disadvantaged American children the same way, the media and the right wing would be screaming for their heads. But since it is white American 'christianistas' 'rescuing black children the news is barely covering the story.
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 05:09 PM
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8. defintely got a forgive and forget message from larry the idiot on CNN
in other words, you can kidnap kids if your american, and you can almost bomb their little brains out, like in Iraq and all those othere palces. We Do have the best of intentions, afterall. :cries:
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csziggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 06:47 PM
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19. That's why I watch little of CNN anymore
And it's getting so I watch little of MSNBC.

I'm tired of the "American entitlement" concept. Manifest destiny was bad enough but we should be beyond all that by now.
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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 04:39 PM
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6. Trying to suppress snark...
Two articles in the NY Times today
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/05/world/americas/05orphans.html?scp=2&sq=haiti&st=cse
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/05/world/americas/05idaho.html?scp=6&sq=haiti&st=cse

And more than 500 articles in news.google
http://news.google.com/news/more?pz=1&cf=all&cf=all&ncl=dlKUy07JzjSGZpMDO3yQfuWitOPaM
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 05:16 PM
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9. I don't understand. How is that responsive to the OP re CNN?
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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 06:33 PM
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18. Indeed. My bad.
I had misread the OP and thought he was referring to all of media when he said he couldn't find much on it.
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 05:05 PM
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7. comp troubs
i can't read any responses. dang. wtf
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 05:19 PM
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10. i wonder how their reporting would go if it was a group of black men
who tried to kidnap and sell the kids
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 05:20 PM
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11. hatian judges probably don't watch larry king
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 05:25 PM
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12. what has that got to do with my post.
millions of americans do watch Larry King and may become infected with the: \\well, its us the USA the best and mnost honourable people on the planet, why are the Haitians so means to us after all we did for them?// we've al heard that song before
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 05:31 PM
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13. what i meant is that what larry king or the people think won't influence a haitian judge
Edited on Sat Feb-06-10 05:33 PM by spanone
the judges will judge the case on merit (hopefully) and i think the world will accept it

and i don't think larry king influences many people....i could be wrong
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Merciful1 Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 05:54 PM
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15. When I first heard about this case
Edited on Sat Feb-06-10 05:57 PM by Merciful1
I immediately thought they were probably "christian" fundies rescuing the children, not so much from just the earthquake but from the godless heathen, voodoo satan worshippers - who just happen to be their relatives and countrymen. Then the next day there was no surprise when I saw it was a baptist group.:eyes:
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 06:09 PM
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17. How it works is if there is enough "outrage" over the arrest of the kidnappers
~they begin to apply political pressure. Haiti may be a sovereign nation, but the US had considerable influence in their politics, and has even more after the earthquake.

If these kidnappers are allowed to go free or receive a slap on the wrist, I think this will give a virtual green light to human trafficking in Haiti.
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 05:48 PM
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14. Their actions were illegal and it does not make any difference what
CNN or NYT or anyone else thinks - Haiti has a right to protect its children from traffickers regardless what they label themselves.
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Merciful1 Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 06:04 PM
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16. Disaster Capitalism
Edited on Sat Feb-06-10 06:07 PM by Merciful1
This case reminds me of the disaster capitalism practiced in places like New Orleans and Iraq. The Heritage Foundation had an article up on their site the very next day talking about "opportunities in Haiti" opened up by the devastation. And these mostly well meaning but somewhat deluded people probably saw an opportunity of their own. To rescue these children - body and soul.
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 07:18 PM
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20. totally agree
but you know how big mouth media can sway the lazy minded. If the alleged nappers are convicted there will be a lot of 'give my money back' from the mouth breathing ones that donated to Haiti.After all how can a white nice looking cristshun woman be accused of such a thing!
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 11:11 PM
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21. Yeah, I know. Hopefully what has happened already will keep her and
others like her out of Haiti. But I doubt it.
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dgibby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 11:58 PM
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22. CNN has actually been doing a good job covering this story, imo.
Carl Pendenhall is in Haiti and has done some great investigative reporting. They also have a reporter in Idaho who has done a good job of digging up all the background info on the leader of the group. Anderson Cooper has run a segment every night on AC360.

The 2 problems are Larry King and Rick Sanchez. Larry is obtuse. Rick is very religious and is having a hard time believing that there could have been ulterior motives.

The rest of the reporters have been covering it with updates, including the new info about the church members passing a note to reporters asking for help and telling them that Laurie (the leader) had duped them.
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